Many people regard Medicine as a pro-science argument and use it all too often to defend their own scientism-love. However there are many things to say the opposite:
Healing is very much related to “non-scientific” things, like Faith. All too many people get better just because they BELIEVE. Even mainstream science has accepted the role of Faith in medicine. The role of the mind over body is a great chapter in medicine. If you look carefully, you will find out that medicine can be too irrational for modern science…
Do not mistake Medicine with Technology. All too many advances in “saving lives” are actually advances of Technology (e.g. better ultrasound technology) rather than advanced in Medicine Science.
The Human ascpect of doctor-patient relationship plays also a very vital role in medicine. In the same way, things like Love and Compassion and Caring are all too important factors for someone to get better and they are surely not a “science” thing to boast about.
Being “healthy” has never been proved to be better than being “ill”. Yes, I understand that we all (me incuded) want to be healthy, but philosophy in general has never solved this puzzle. If you ask an agnostic or an atheist he will tell you that we do not even know what we are doing here, but he will be very “certain” about “health” being better than “sickness”. Why is that?
I do go to the doctor every time I am ill. But I always hope the doctor is a good person who can really see other aspects of the treatment process than just the “I put you in a machine, I measure, I diagnose like a robot” line of reasoning…
Realize that the order of physicians is much older than Science.
They had the Hippocratic Oath with which to gain acceptance and trust.
In the new world odor, the Hippocratic oath no longer applies.
But that means that they have no obligation to tell you that it doesn’t.
So it is more profitable (under the required money worship) to let people believe that the Oath is still in effect.
This is similar to the courts not being required to tell you of your rights over them.
Medicine has never been a Science, but now they use Science more often, when it is more profitable.
But simply lying and letting people believe in a false credibility is easier and cheaper.
My thoughts exactly. Medicine is not a “science” since it does not have theories and predictive models. It is more of a “practice”. And it is up to the practitioner to make it as human as he can…
Actually the Hippocratic oath still remains to preserve patient confidentiality.
Though the money making incentive of doctors no longer means that they have any obligation to treat in the USA.
It depends on what you call “serious illness” then. There are terminal cancer patients who choose to live peacefully their last days. And most doctors with such illness do that too. Medicine cures, but so does love, compassion and a life without stress. People in Ikaria live a lot more than people in the US with much better health system and medicine technologies…
Serious - a cancer in the throat the has advanced into the tonsils, and growing. Treatment included 2 operations, 7 weeks radiotherapy and simultaneous chemotherapy. Before I got it I was loved and stress free, and eating well, not smoke a cig in 6 years.
The US is not a good example. WHilst claiming to have the best health care in the world, it is not available to 15 million of their populations.
This tends to take the average life expectancy down, below the UK,and Canada who are criticised for their Public Health provision but actually worls much better than the insurance led US system.
If live cures then explain how everyone dies. Why do the most loved die with exaclty the same rates of recovery that hated people do.?
People in Ikaria live short lives like anyone else in Greece, which is no better than the UK.
If you want to know where people live the longest then you need to look at Guernsey, Monaco and Switzerland; rich countries. There are genetic factors which make Japan and Macau very high on the list of life expectancy, as well as health care.
Canada and Austrialia due to a public health system.
In Chad the life expectancy is only 48 - do they all hate each other? And in Monaco it is nearly 90. Those Monacoans must really love each other.
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without it. I have been kind in providing you with some evidence, I hope you will take it in.
There is also a long list of diseases that would have killed me off long ago had it not been for medicine: Small Pox, Typhoid, Diptheria, Tetanus, Cholera, Thyphus, Rubella, Septicaemia, 130 years ago they were all killers until modern medicine provided the knowledge for vaccine and the importance of microscopically clean water.
And no - love and stress free living never saved anyone from any of the above.
You’ve got it all wrong. People in Ikaria live more than 100 years…
And do not distort my words. I did not say that love and/or hate explain everything. They play a huge role though, as does medicine. I do not deny medicine. I just see more things that are equally (if not more) useful.
You said it yourself: your cancer was developed even though you did not smoke or do anything that medicine tags as “bad for health”. So how did medicine explained it? (as any proper scientific theory should do)
PS. And on what kind of evidence are you talking about? I said things, you say things. What was the difference?!? Do not claim authority, cause most of the times he who does so is nothing but…
I’m talking about the historical evidence. Archeology tells us the the life expectancy up until the modern era, was around 50. If you managed to get to adulthood you had a fair chance of living to 70, but the vast majority of people died before they were 5. But if you got to 50 you would probably be the oldest person who would know.
Cancer in those time was very rare - partly because science had not identified many types, but mostly because people did not live long enough to get it. Drinking water everyday was a massive risk. Without germ theory people thought that is the water looked clear it was okay.
The figured I typed above were all from the CIA World Fact Book. It’s a widely respected database from the collected statistics from countries all over the world.
OK. But shouldn’t life expectancy be related to life quality as well? Do you think living a void life in a stressful environment as “better” than the life people in the old days lived?
OP you misunderstand the purpose of selfhealing, it’s called placebo, which the medical industry heavily exploits, when this placebo effect has a cure rate up to 80%. It’s part of suggestion, and self suggestion.
Even in some cases where people knows it’s placebo, the power of suggestion are so strong that the concious mind can’t put the subconciousness to order. The power are so strong like grief, love, fear, etc, all kinds of strong feelings that we can’t help.
Sure some are born immune to various aspects of suggestion, and they are often labled cynics or cold persons.
And what does placebo teach us? If a non-medicine works as a medicine simply because we think it is a medicine, isn’t that a proof of the mind-over-body argument?
Yes it is true. I also think same. BTW I am new to forum and this is my first post. I do think that medicine is not a science as there is not much theoretical work but more practice. Though one can take it to the next level but for me it is still a practice but not a science.
