Mixing poison with our blood
Is wanting what we cannot or should not have.
A rather simplistic view is mine, about this subject.
Pedophelia is the combination of parental instincts and lust; the cure, youthful, beautiful, young and inocent [concepts] – combined with the… terrible thirst, always bring suffering. These two where not meant to mix together; if together for a long time, they will appear to be inseporable and once existent [together] for a long enough time, they become part of the personality [and stay together in that way].
I’m not talking about the domination aspect, which is not always an existent factor – I’m talking about the basics behind it all.
We must be careful – as to which of our desires combine with others.
Adler is probably the only one who will talk strait and say something real.
Adl, don’t you think human attractions-to/feelings-for what is young/cute/child-like – is directly relative to our parental instincts?
I do know that what we do and like has allot to do with our choices in the direction and method in which we act out or fuel our desires, but I’m talking about what had high odds of sparking the situation initially.
I’ve probably over-estimated how big of a factor what I’d said earlier was, in the collective/big-picture, but what of the natural sort of feeling people have for kids and babies? All concepts of beauty have their roots and reasons.
Mirth?
Did you understand what I was talking about in this thread?
Do you have any useful thoughts about the subject?
“Cute” can even be found/felt/seen within [some] adults, and many men are “turned-on” by that, in some way; I believe that “cute” is relative to our parental instinct, but society has partially-sexualized it.
But if none of you can see or understand what I’m trying to say specifically, then oh well…
no. these are moral assertions w/out substance or meaning. ranting & raving.
yes. this is more coherent. pedophilia does involve aspects of nurturing, but lust? why the biblical theme? why not say “a combination of parental instincts and sexual attraction”?
yes. perhaps this dynamic exists in some contexts but the experience of most pedophiles (as opposed to most sociopaths or most situational child sex offenders) is that arousal patterns twd children are present from childhood.
yes. it’s good you are aware that dominance is not an integral aspect of pedophilia, but ‘the basics behind it all’ are as inchoate in yr understanding as they are in mine. i kno this becos i kno a lot more about it than you do, & yet to me the preconditions & etiologies of pedophilia remain complex, subtle & very resistant to simplistic analysis.
no. i don’t know what it means to ‘combine’ desires.
have you read what i’ve written elsewhere on this site about pedophilia?
the same hormones are involved in nurturing & sexual intimacy, primarily oxytocin & vasopressin. don’t overestimate the role of society in sexual behaviour, & dont assume that everything sexual has been ‘sexualized’. cuteness is a releaser for nurturing behaviour, & does seem to be involved in human sexual attraction, possibly as a component of sexual selection for pedomorphic & neotenous traits. teddy bears are cute becos adults prefer cuteness, not becos children do. this is a huge topic.
i wld like to discuss this topic in a manner appropriate to a philosophy website, but mostly what i read here when the ‘p’ word is mentioned is a lot of uninformed opinion, self righteous moralizing & hostile bigotry. in comparison yr observations are intelligent & enlightened Dan~, & i wld like to discuss them. ok?
Tell me why is it uniformed to soundly refute your claim with what experts in the area claim. Your definition is not better, as you claim, nor is it correct.
That’s right, kiss, kiss with those who you agree with, insult those who you disagree with. Uniformed, self-righteous, bigot, blah, blah, blah. Again, hands of the children as they are too young to make decisions that may have serious negative effects during their life.
Dan you might want to read regarding what the experts say regarding this subject. anticyclone is not expert. BTW: cyclone, exactly what credentials do you hold? You said biology, do you hold a BS? An AS? A MS? A Ph.D?
Thanks, I try to report my thoughts in a straight up.
I’ve mentioned in other places that there’s an idea in evolutionary theory that women look and sound child-like in order to be attractive, but really it’s probably better to say inspire protectiveness in men. I tend to agree with this idea, because I can’t explain women in any other way.
Anyway, although a lot of time is spent talking about sex with women I’m here to tell you that the average man will spend less time having sex with women and more time facilitating their needs and interests. You will do the same with children. So, I tend to think that the symbolic appearance of humans is designed to inspire a desire to help than inspire sexual desire.
I back that up by pointing out that the fathers of beautiful girls aren’t having sex with them to any high degree. So, the protection urge wins out over the sexual. I suggest that this will be the case with all the women and children in most men’s lives.
However, I have read that some people hypothesize that pedophiles might have some weirdly developed sense that makes them hyper-attracted to the child symbols, and so they jump women (or not, ha), and go right for the kid.
However, I tend to discount that idea, at least in the vast majority of cases, because pedophiles don’t seem to have the protective aspects in their behavior. There’s a lot of coercion, trickery, infliction of pain (ripped orifices are one way to check for abuse [you will not want that to happen to your wife or daughter]), knowledge that the kid will one day view it traumatically, and other forms of negativity.
Also, most pedophiles report that they have had a pedophilic encounter as a kid. That speaks to a learned behavior, as most people develop their attraction to the opposite sex without any prior experience, and that speaks to a more natural response.
I suppose that if I could know with a certainty that some pedophile was born, developed an attraction to children, and had nothing but good intentions, to the point where sex would be self-denied due to a lack of desire to harm, then I might believe that in his case it was natural. Remember, men do this in that at the cost of their own feelings they will leave women alone that don’t like them.
It’s my observation that pedophiles are villainous cowards that want to play tag to reduce the anxiety of having been made “it†through some other person’s actions. The hero is someone that’s been wronged acknowledges it and then decides to stand against the wrong.
To pedophiles, kids, and everyone else that they lie to, are “marks†or “suckers†because that’s what someone made them. Kids are the best mark though.
I totally agree, but I think that love makes one not need to fuck, and not even want to.
Pedophilia is nothing special but a simple sexual attraction! Maybe when we’re gonna talk about sex nobody think and imagine about this with children IN GENERAL and in first place, but it’s nothing separate from sexual feelings.
Pedophilia is just a name given by some guys to this case, a case about sexual attraction to children. Although today we read it “Abnormal Sexual Attraction to Children” in references! I’m not gonna say this because of just my hostility with today world, but I wanna say people who relate themselves to Morality manners, they even can’t separate the simplest things in this case! Children are humans anyway, they are just little ones! And if you know how you attract sexually to someone so you easily reach the words that Old_Gobbo says: “Cause there are people out there who want to have sex with children”.
So we don’t have any reason behind Pedophilia. If you want reasons go after reasons behind Sexuality!
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