Why porn is wrong…

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Why porn is wrong…

My ‘opinion‘; nudity is not wrong and the human body is beautiful ~ well some of them are, others are ghastly. Most of the male ‘models’ in porn are vile specimens, if you and your girlfriend sits down to watch it to get in the mood or something, there isn’t much for her.

Here we begin to touch on real problems, not the porn itself but the way some of it is done, women being …until they gag is repulsive, without going into too much detail, the general feel of it is often/mostly as an abuse of women.

Then there is also the case that its not just happy couples watching it all civilised like. I don’t know the stats or if you could make any valid ones, but I expect that in the main it is not couples watching it. When this is the case then you have lone males [mainly] being shown all manner of abuses of women, both in the act and the attitude!

Hence on an educatory level there are problems, we can begin at abuse then add to that ‘age’ of models and other less savoury factors [golden showers +++]. If there was any kind of regulation in the industry then it may not be so bad, but you don’t know how old models you are watching are, and many films/sites will throw them in the mix so they just suddenly appear on screen without you knowing even that you had that kind of film.

On top of these problems, men like women and don’t see anything wrong with that, so in many cases you are taking something perfectly acceptable and blending it with what is thoroughly not acceptable! To have sex/lust/beauty thrust at us in everything from adverts to film, soaps and then porn all the time, gets a little tiresome, worse still it’s a road we go along that ends at porn which is a misrepresentation of love and sex, along with abuse.

It is difficult to decide at what point an individual should draw their own moral line when all the lines are blurred. Lets face it we all know when something is art or when it is porn, we all know when something is sex and when it is abuse. The problem is that the various industries are an exception to that.

can you ‘act’ sex? You cannot act kissing also but kissing is socially tolerable to even the most conservative amongst us. Really there should be no difference in law or how we see porn star as how we see whores, that is exactly what they all are. I hate falseness and papers/magazines showing boobies does not make it alright, your daughters/sisters/lovers are still acting like whores even though they are led to believe otherwise.

A comment I often hear is that banning or restricting porn more could cause an increase in sex crimes as the weirdo’s who normally use fantasy rape pornography in the privacy of their own homes may turn to violent means…

However, eventually these people need an outlet for their twisted desires, feeding those desires only increases that potential. Secondly, someone has to ‘act’ these things out and models are coerced into doing stuff. Thirdly, there are no lines between the different levels, bits of SM, pedo and the like are put into many films ~ which are usually a mix [lesbo’s etc] anyway. There’s certainly not much for monogamists going on that’s for sure, so its teaching young people especially, that sex is not a loving act but a playground for exploration and perversion.

On a final note;

Are we biological robots, should we be slaves to the processes? Our minds can dictate to us if we allow them, part of being human is about escaping the bondage of our condition. This does not mean we should all be celibate monks, it simply means we should educate ourselves as to the difference between being controlled or being in control. It is fine to have sex of any kind that doesn’t harm others, but we should recognise where our ‘normal’ sexual desires are being exploited and taken out of context to perverse ends.

Freedom is one thing, but to utilise it in order to exploit us and to pervert ours or others minds, is to take that very freedom away.

note that i have not used the term ‘sin’ a single time!

What say ye?

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You’ve put your man-card in jeaopardy. Does your girlfriend know that you wrote this piece?

First of all the intended audience of most porn you see is males. The product being sold is not two people making love, but a man f#4**** a woman. The woman is a variable adjusted to the consumer. You have beautiful models but you also have fat women, old women, ugly women really. It comes across as abusive because of the acting these women put on, with few exceptions, such as in amateur video. I believe that this could be tied to a feeling of strenght being a turn on. Not only is the fantasy about having sex with the beautiful chick but also hurting her, not with fists but simply with your manhood. One of the perennial insecurities of men is about their size, so the fantasy makers add 10 inches of manhood that they can project themselves into. It would be disappointing if all that manhood had no adverse effect on her, because that is the other fantasy being fulfilled= the virgin, or tight quasi virgin.

I don’t think that most men cannot distinguish porn from reality. And that is not to say either that Johnny will not find a woman who actually enjoys the stuff he saw in porn. In fact, I’ll ask you: Did you watch porn with your girl? Did she like it? Did you try anything, any of the odd positions that were shown in the video? Did she like them?

It is not “abuse” per se because for example with golden showers or anal sex, the actress is asking for it. The partner is a willing partner. If anything then the educational value is that all is permitted if it is consentual (or if you paid for it). The nearest relation one can make is not of sexual intercourse with a loved one (whom you woudln’t share among three other men), but intercourse with a sex professional, a whore, a prostituite. If you asked for example: Would you have sex with Belladonna? The answer might be:“F#$% yeah!”. But if you asked: “Would you marry Belladonna?”, now things change.

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I suppose the abuse is pretty much the same for women in porn as it is for whores generally, we males are being exploited as well and gagging cannot be pleasurable for anyone + no I didn’t learn anything from them ~ apart from; damn my missus dont do that! :smiley: .

The point here is not exactly what the title says, its not that porn is wrong, but the way it is done is wrong.

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When a man has spent his entire life rejected by women, that is what he wants to see: women being degraded to nothing more than primitive pleasure-seeking masses of organic flesh - it reveals to the man, the audience, that feminism (something which has plagued the mind of the man) is nothing more than frilly aesthetics which are utilized by women to support their psychological complexes (namely those which require the humiliation of ‘weak’ males to justify their sexual attraction to certain alpha-males).

If pornography did not exist - rape would be much more prevalent.
If you truly care about the well-being of women, then you should realize that pornography is necessary for certain males to alleviate sexual tensions without going out and raping someone.

Also, I think it is worth noting that a surprisingly large portion of females are sexually attracted to having themselves abused (if not physically, then verbally).

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^ that’s an interesting perspective

what did we do before we had televisions and internet?

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it is true that many women get off on submission

just as the alpha male gets off on domination

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I don’t think it is true of all women,
but some? Yes.
Every girl I have ever slept with has gotten-off on at least one masochistic-fetish, and they actually requested it which came as a shock to me at the time. Things such as: being bitten, being slapped, being roughed around with, and a lot of things which I’d rather not go into all at once.

I don’t know whether it is just the type of girl I tend to date, or a prevalent finding in most women.

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Hello Quetz:

—…and gagging cannot be pleasurable for anyone…
O- I say the same about anal sex but gay men swear by it, so what the F%$^ do I know what other people are into? Gagging, gapping, DP…these are not just the fruits of abuse but of taste…weird tastes, maybe, but taste that are personal.

Now let me add to your subject of why porn is wrong. Porn carries a stigma. It is O.K. to watch it, but the actors and actresses are shunned by the majority of society. It is a stigma that they usually try to hide and if they do not it is because they feel themselves as apart of a sub-group, an alternative society which gives them the option to flaunt their identity. But nonetheless, the relationships that are engages are uneasy.

Many actresses are married. They make good money and the husbands know about it, but their attitudes towards the career choice of the spouse is interesting. Some, perhaps most, would rather not discuss how honey-bunny brought home the bread at the table. It is quasi-taboo. They acknowledge it only if they must, but would rather think of something else. And no wonder- Your wife can come in one day with her anus ripped because she was F&&&& two, maybe four men at once. You also have couples that are swingers, others where they invite other couples, share partners etc. These couples are also interesting in their attitude towards sex because they create categories of sex, where for example the other dude if F##22 the wife while the husband “makes love” to her. To me it looks just about the same, but the distinction, it’s existence, for me, reveals that the partners still value the thought of special access, of being unique in some way in the eyes of their partner. Porn is wrong because it might errode the one human interactions that is most exclusive. All these artifices such as “casual sex”, or FUC*%$, or any other euphenism simply tries to accomodate the abnormal. Don’t get me wrong, monogamy is not natural- it is the casual sex and the rest that are most natural, but we develop bonds and these bonds are founded on being special and the earliest form of distinction was monogamy because of the high reward ratio in comparassion to other distinctions.

Porn is wrong because it robs these people of the ability to express love in a normal way and forces them to create artifices, devices to supplant that which is lost. It is the “Pretty Woman” effect. Her vagina is her bussiness, so she makes her lips (mouth) sacred.

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women and men both engage in creating pornography by choice, and for good reasons. many want money, or fame, or influence, or to feel sexy or powerful. maybe its just fun for them.

there is nothing wrong with pornography, unless you personally find it offensive or distasteful. in which case, just refrain from watching it. problem solved. but dont pass dogmatic prejudicial judgment upon an entire artform/career/entertainment just because you individually have delicate sensibilities.

if you dont like it, dont watch it.

porn doesnt hurt anyone, and if it causes any sort of harm during the engagement thereof it is by consent of those involved. so nothing wrong with it. and besides, we all know that everyone who criticizes porn watches or reads it, and secretly fantasizes about fucking porn stars… so your just a hypocrite anyways. so everyone just lighen up already ok?

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Like most men I look at porn whilst knocking one out, but I’ll be fucked if I can say anything positive about it. And as for preventing rape…what a load of bollocks, if anything it may reinforce a low opinion of women.

Let’s not kid ourselves that all the participants want to do it either, they may be bullied, bribed or desperate.It’s like saying all smackheads want to be smackheads .

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agreed with above.

Peachy Nietzsche

This is a good thing?

Feminism is just an ‘ism‘, most women only want the freedom to have equal opportunities.

I think a strong male doesn’t need to put down his counterparts either male or female!

There was more rape prior to porn? As I said in the op, eventually perverse desires need an outlet, the more you feed them the more intense it becomes.

I don’t doubt that many men and women are unable to rise above animalistic instincts and genetically driven failures.

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What if you want to watch a nice looking man and woman having sex ~ you would have to go a long way to find something so simple

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If there were a correlation between pornography and rape, do you not think we would have seen - one way or the other - a massive change in rape statistics over the past fifteen years? A worldful of pornography is now available anonymously and for free in pretty much every household in the Western world with an internet connection and yet… practically no change. It’s a worldwide science experiment that no-one’s trumpeted triumphantly about because it serves no agenda.

Failures? These are the nth-generation offspring of successes, Darwin at work! :wink:

No you wouldn’t. It’s a subset of porn (or ‘erotica’ if you want to avoid the loaded connotations) - real couples having normal sex without a film crew present. Go on, have a search, I bet it won’t take you any longer to find than obese pensioner bestiality gangbangs.

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Perhaps it is just the region I grew up in, but every woman I have ever seen in a relationship (either from having personally dated them or seen a friend dating them) only wants what they want, whenever they want it.

I think it is quite the opposite, and I’ve read studies that show that more porn leads to less rape

We are never able to rise above animalistic instincts and our genetically driven ‘failures’. You are stuck in a prison of flesh - no matter how complex or ‘artistic’ you make things, they ultimately originated from your primal instincts.
As with masochism, this is not ‘genetically driven’ but psychologically driven.

Well, it’s a supply-demand market.

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I wonder what the stats were from before porn [1970’s ish]?
Even if there is no difference in that, which I doubt, its still whorish ~ selling oneself. It is still taking something natural and abusing it, men like naked women so they are exploiting that as well as theirselves.
On another level, less is more, a luxury is not so good if common or used all the time.

Serves no agenda? Are you kidding! Everyone in the industry and its supporters have agenda’s.

We are yes, the porn industry makes no difference, you cant shag and reproduce with an image on ones screen.

Indeed, I found them all on the same page [thumbnailed categories] along with ‘teens’ [click on anything that says that and you will very quickly start seeing models that look just a tad too young!] rape fantasies, bondage, pissing, ladyboys etc etc

I noticed there are some sites that are strictly softcore, but its like Pringles, once you pop you just cant stop lols. Hence you soon find less savoury sites [I found them in about 30 seconds], I also noticed that there were many ’blind links’ and on pages that said there would be none, and these took me ever deeper. i could click on a nice looking lesbian couple and find something entirely different, if i had downloaded it i would be in serious trouble if it were found on my pc.

Ha, no I don’t think it’s the region most people I know are like that, its more urban than rural in my experience. Personally I don’t think that is good, its just ego and snobbishness that has no foundation, so I wouldn’t support that as an ethical standard.

God knows how such studies are made, how many rapists would put themselves up for that? Presumably ones that have already been caught and are trying to lessen their sentences by agreeing to go on courses etc.

Even ‘if’ it is true, I would justify something that is clearly unethical [porn/whores] by another thing [rape] that is one of the worst crimes out there. Rape will only ever stop when such men don’t exist ~ in terms of societal development and education.

I think the entire physical spectrum is there to serve us, to give info to the brain that we epicentre’s of consciousness can experience the world from our subjective perspective. There are many elements that untie us from such things as genetic and environmental inputs, subjectivity is one, free will is another, and improbability another still.

That one is a rather massive area that I am sure we have and will cover many times.
:slight_smile:

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Why is porn wrong? until you can answer that, it is not wrong.

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Nice beta male post

Thats because rape isn’t about sex, it’s about dominance.

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Rape stats are difficult to interpret anyway, given that it’s most usually a non-public crime, achieved by coercion and with a stigma - reporting rates and conviction rates in all but the most cut-and-dried cases are dependent on the society.

Quite, but the stats don’t serve them - they don’t show that it does lead to rape, they don’t show that it reduces it by “letting off steam”. But as pointed out, rape is in most cases about social dominance rather than sexual arousal.

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I was going to express an opinion, then I realised I couldn’t do any better than I had already.

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=144521&start=0

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“Peachy Nietzsche”

one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, peachy. i think a man capable of rape is going to rape anyway, it isn’t about releasing sexual tension for him, at least in the beginning, it’s about a lack of power and a need to control and this is the only way he can get it, or at least think he has this power, by raping.

a man who is “normal” and not capable of raping will find other outlets also without pornography. I am not for or against it per se - except in the case where children become the victims of it, but there are indeed other outlets for a man.

and what about the father who is a sex addict or a pedophile - what would your view of pornography be after he has indulged himself in his pornography and then proceeded to indulge himself with his innocent child? would the pros outweigh the cons then, peachy?

and perhaps you could try to talk to those women to discover how they came to be that way instead of just pointing the finger at them. By the same token, one can say the same about men, perhaps not to the same degree as it is for women but…

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:confused: it is ALSO true that many men get off on submission - just as the alpha female gets off on domination. just to keep the proper perspective :wink:

isn’t it sad that we misuse and squander Alpha-ness as such? The alpha male and female ought to use it as a source of becoming and to help others become or as is meant by a star - to shine the brightest, but not at the expense of others. i just feel that alpha ought to have a different meaning and feel to it than the connotation given.