There are many ways to cull the herd besides viruses. Human sacrifice, world wars, vaccinations (mercury), water supply (fluoride), the promotion of homosexuality, contraception, abortion, women’s lib, chemtrails, earthquakes (haarp), obesity, gmos, the list goes on. The new world order is employing all of them.
American Stonehenge–
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The fact of the existense of suffering, with the probability that a “Once and for All” and eternal end to it is impossible.
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Certainly true if death did not exist already, but yea I agree life itself has worth, problems etc can be worked upon especially given eternity.
Would we suffer without the pain gene?
I think eternal life, even eternal bliss, would eventually get boring unless I was in some post-lobotomy type state and if that was the case I wouldn’t really be alive.
But if I had some purpose or objective that would take forever or longer than a life time I would desperately want to survive to see its completion.
i cant think of one reason that i wouldnt want to live forever…and i want to live forever…it doesnt make sense but there it is…
I don’t want to live forever because it would be boaring after a while, i would at least want the ability to somehow end my life.
But then I think, as we get older time seems to pass faster, things become more and more habitual, and as they become more and more habitual the less we have to think about doing, and maybe that has something to do with time passing quicker. So I wonder, if even if we lived forever, if eventually everything we did would become habitual such that mentally we were effectively zombies…?
And then maybe living forever wouldn’t be that bad so long as you could forget about things, and things didn’t continue to become too habitual…IDK
that’s an interesting notion. I work all over the place and I noticed that journeys I havent taken before seam to take ages, and ones I have taken time and time again seam to pass by more quickly. In short I don’t think that if we had taken all journeys many thousands of times we would be like zombies, I am just as coherent and aware on both kinds of journeys. However there may be an eventual timelessness to it all? Though I am not sure how to define that further?
quetzalcoat…
I don’t actually know, for myself, if i would or would not want to live forever. But your reason above would probably be the deal breaker for me. I suppose that it just doesn’t seem ‘natural’ to live forever - possibly because we know that at least on this plane, we can’t. 
But can you even imagine what we might be able to accomplish? Umm, do we get to exist ALSO on other planets in other galaxies? That might help. I wonder what is more infinite - immortality or the expanse of the universe? 
Gee, we could never uphold rarity and meaning that long. Some of us have trouble doing it for even a day. 
I think that it is ONLY because we know that we WILL NOT live forever, that we are able to find more meaning and rarity in this life. The knowledge of knowing that we are going to someday die - may (depending on the individual’s awareness) have a positive effect on us, in allowing us to see how positive and fruitful life may be and appreciating and being grateful for it.
I agree with you too in that there would have to be a continual and infinite amount of change, of growth and becoming. A lot of energy and struggle expended there. But, if we only live one day at a time who knows - we might just be able to pull it off -immortality that is. We wouldn’t have a choice in the matter, would we? But since we are immortal, would our sleeping habits change - would a night of sleep be turned into maybe a few years of sleep for all and perhaps if we can realize that, it might help to bring up the factor of beautiful and meaningful qualia for us. The effect and experience of looking at the stars or a rainbow may not change meaning for us though we have been doing it for a good 1,000,000,000 years…continue to add zeroes there…
I think each individual is equipped differently psychologically and spiritually, in terms of seeing meaning and rarity. For us to be immortal and happy or at least content, we would have to be able to see each new day as fresh, for the most part. But I don’t know, I think that having done this for at least 1,000,000,000,000 years, life would start losing meaning for us.
But…who knows.
I think imortality might not be that bad as long as it didn’t mean you couldn’t change yourself. For example if you lived long enough you may find a way to alter your state of mind such as to initiate enjoyment of even the things that you are used to. But then You could argue that that is in effect a death of one state of mind into another.
arcturus rising/valley
So I guess we need a dial which when turned up gives us a feeling of amazement when we look at the stars etc.
Perhaps the problem is in our concept of living forever, eternity may not arrive in steps [not linear], it may be as the ancients seam to have thought; like a timeless moment.
That said, before I reach nirvana or a Socratic eternity, I would like to be in love many more times [oh is that adulterous lols], and indeed visit many other worlds.
Sometimes I wonder if death was a notion of genius by the creator [if there is one] or by reality itself somehow. It gives us a kind of endlessness in repetition, a bit like if you could switch our memories on and off then remove us to another location and life.
Old age can be similar I am sure, though I cannot imagine a more nightmarish hell than endless short-term memory loss lol.
As Lao Tsu said about 2500 years ago:
“Work is done, then forgotten.
Therefore it lasts forever.”
Sounds contradictory but it actually makes sense if you think of it in the right way…
What’s the right way to think of that? 
I could as easily say;
“Work is done, then forgotten.
Therefore it has ceased to exist.”
If you build a temple and neglect it, it will soon be a continuation of the jungle ~ work has to be maintained to remain. there has to be a continuance.
Well I think the way that is meant to look at it is that If everything was eternal-lifeish in the sense of nothing changeing then there would be nothing to experience, so because things change, we can experience eternity. And by change you could mean come in and out of existence, and in other words become known and then forgotten…
Ah I see, nicely put.
The ancients seamed to think that things become eternal as soon as built, as like Egyptian tombs meant never to be seen. As above so below, such that the above makes an eternal version of below. …but I liked your explanation better.
An interesting thought concerning the principle or “As below so below” or “What comes up must come down and in turn what goes down must come up”, or “As within so without”, or “Yin and Yang”
Is the idea that in gaining you do cause loss, If you grasp something, eventually you shall lose it, or have to let go. The thing to consider is to think of it like this: Life is like walking, sometimes you face mountains sometimes you face valleys, and really even the “flat ground” only seems or appears flat to the eye. But If you go too high up a mountain then when the time comes for going down, you have to suffer more, the key is knowing that the suffering is worth the climb, the fault is in thinking that you can do less and get more. If you experience a great hieght, you will inevidibly experience an equal low. “Fore every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.” So people often get sucked into going higher and higher thinking they can’t fall or that they have already payed for it, or that the payment won’t be that bad… As again Lao Tsu put it:
“Better stop short than fill to the brim.
Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt.
Amass a store of gold and jade, and no one can protect it.
Claim wealth and title, and disaster will follow.
Retire when the work is done.
This is the way of heaven.”
"better stop short than fill to the brim: initially the water rises and fills the cup but try to fill too much and you go over the brim and the water falls.
One of the problems though is that some think that emptyness is then the goal, or don’t gain and you can’t loose. i don’t think that is the point, the point is not to gain too much. Complete emptyness is another form of too much.
I thought the empty cup analogy meant to keep the mind clear and not clutter it up, but yes also that there is a great deal you learn which you really didn’t need to after all.
Did you make that phrase up? If so that’s inspired, profound even. Not sure if Buddha would agree tho.
I don’t know this, but the idea behind the empty cup analogy I think is to empty your mind of “knowledge” don’t think you know something because you can’t really know, you can only think you know. In order to understand the everything you must question everything.
The attempt to achieve complete emptyness is a journey, Buddha clearly did not see that journey to its end before he said what he did.
Did I make that up? Surely i did not pull it out of a hat, the only thing we can truley create out of nothing, without learning from else, is that which is false, these things we think we know.
And then what? What would be the benefit of being immortal? Would you also be invicible? What of having children? what of the limitations of the mind whaf of forgetfulness eventually would you not forget you childhood? your 30’s, 50’,s 100’s, 5’600’s, 1,000,000’s, 8,900,000,000’s etc. etc.
Humans were not made for immortality.
There are very good reasons why we are mortal.
To answer the question though I suppose the reason I wouldnt want to “live” forever would be that I’d never get too experiance death.
Following the word of Socrates
“Let us reflect in another way, and we shall see that there is great reason to hope that death is a good, for one of two things:–either death is a state of nothingness and utter unconsciousness, or, as men say, there is a change and migration of the soul from this world to another. Now if you suppose that there is no consciousness, but a sleep like the sleep of him who is undisturbed even by the sight of dreams, death will be an unspeakable gain. . . . Now if death is like this, I say that to die is gain; for eternity is then only a single night. But if death is a journey to another place, and there, as men say, all the dead are, what good, O my friends and judges, can be greater than this? . . . What would not a man give if he might converse with Orpheus and Musaeus and Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. . . . Above all, I shall be able to continue my search into true and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in that; I shall find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not. . . . The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways–I to die, and you to live. Which is better God only knows.”
How would you not get hellaciously board?