World Folk Music & Dance

Does anyone else love old folk music and dance? If so, let’s make a thread of it.

I’ll start with a wonderful dance from the Udmurts, an ancient people from the Ural Mt region of Russia (one of several Finno-Uralic groups from that region). Greek historian Herodotus described them as the most red haired people on earth. It tires me out just watching them!

youtube.com/watch?v=L1EYLG9UJJA

Does anyone else know of an old folk music tradition we might enjoy? The more, the merrier. Only one prohibition: No Morris Dancing :wink:

rebecca

OK, if no one else wants to break out the lederhosen… Now I know nothing about Western European or South American or Spanish or Oriental or Asian or African or Australian dancing, so I’ve only got one more card to play in this thread, then, if not one else contributes, it will die… and that will make me sad, since I love to learn about traditional folk songs and dances… sniff…

One last trip to the “republic of georgia” in the transcaucasus mts. These are another really old peoples – Georgia was the Colchis of the Argonaut saga (no kidding, check it out, mainstream scholarship). There are various styles of music/dance there, too much to cover here.

It’s also interesting that their unique polyphonic singing is noted on a cylinder seal from the days of Sargon II (Assyria, 8th cent BC), when his army fought them, the report includes references to their incredible singing. As did Greek reports in the 6th century BC.

My fav is the old Svaneti/Svanuri stuff (high up in the mts, largely untouched by civilization)

The Svaneti/Svanuri dance, very old, pristeen culture from up in the high mts
youtube.com/watch?v=zMOq-MuTwzk

enjoy - thanks for watching,
rebecca

Well, here I am again, still hoping to learn more about other folk music traditions (including English speaking)… :frowning: Starting to get pretty lonely in here.

In the meantime, how about a really really old Caucasus Cossack dance video, real cossacks, not a concert group. This is not the usual squatting-leaping Don Cossack type of dance, but something closer to the previous video of Georgian dance (Georgia is in the Southern Caucasus Mts). Many of the Caucasus nations used to be part of Russia and had their own regional Cossack traditions.

youtube.com/watch?v=3X6eR6F- … sults_main

I was able to find a transliteration and translation for this song (Snezhochki). As best I can tell, they generally sing 4 lines at a time; they start the next 4-line sequence with the last 2 lines of the previous one. So, the first two verses would be lines 1,2,3,4, then lines 3,4,5,6. Most of the time. I think. I don’t speak Russian.

“Snezhochki” is apparently one of the old cossack pre-battle songs

Lyrics
Transliteration; Translation:

Polno vam, snezhochki; Enough of you, snowflakes
Na taloy zemle lezhat’; That lie on the thawed earth

Polno vam, kazachen’ki; Enough of you, Cossacks
Gore gorevat’; Of the suffering горе

Ostavim tosku-pechal’; Allow us our longing, grief
Vo tyomnom vo lesu ; In the dark woods

Budem privikat mi; We shall get used to
k turechkiy storone; The Turkish land

Kazaki-kazachen’ki; Cossacks
Ne boytes nichego; Don’t be afraid

Est u nas, kazachen’ki; We Cossacks have
Krupa i muka; Groats and flour

Kashitsi navarim, myagkikh; We will cook tender porridge
Khlebov napechom; Bake bread

Slozhimsha po denezhke; We will collect money
Poshlyom za vintsom; And send someone to get wine

Vip’em mi po ryumochke; Drink a glass
Pozavtrekayem; Have breakfast

Vip’em po drugoy; Drink a second glass
Razgovori zavedyom; And have conversations

Vip’em mi po tret’ey; Drink a third glass
Otsa s matr’yu vspomyanyom; Think about Dad and Mom

Vip’em po chetvyortoy; Drink a fourth glass
S gorya pesnyu zapoyom; Sing a song with sorrow

Mi poyom, poyom; We shall sing, sing
Pro kazach’e zhit’yo; About Cossack life

Kazach’e zhit’yo; Cossack life
Pravo, luchshe vsego; Truly, it is the best of all

And now, here’s a 2nd vid (it’s at Vimeo, not Youtube, so you have to hit the start arrow to play this one) of the very same song juxtaposed with a more modern video of cossack horsemanship, AND, as an extra added attraction – the song is repeated BUT the second time is sung by a very fine (now disbanded) Russian bluegrass group, Kukuruza (which means “corn”, I think). If you want to skip to the bluegrass version, it starts around 3:35 in the video.

I started out as a bluegrass fan, but once I heard Kukuruza, I began studying Russian, Cossack and Georgian folk music. The female lead singer in Kukuruza has such a wonderful, powerful voice!

vimeo.com/12299529

BTW: about the cossack riding in the video, I can honestly say that in my younger days, I performed about 50% of those maneuvers on horseback. The only difference, in my case, it wasn’t intentional… I love the part when the horse lies down in the grass and comes back up munching a big old mouthful.

Is anybody out there?

Not one, not even one person who wants to share folk music heritage,
not even from your own culture, traditional folk or country music,
nor post a folk-traditional dance or song or lyrics or an opinion or a memory… sniff…

Oh well, one day in the not too distant future, when the rich traditional music heritage of this world is gone, YOU’LL BE SORRY!!

BUT… not a problem, because in those future days, seekers will find that the treasure rests safe in the ILP archives, thanks to the tireless, selfless efforts of one poor, weary, unappreciated and ridiculed old woman who tirelessly, selflessly scuttled her stubby little fingers around the internet, saying, “Tell them, tell them… cough… it was for the children… cough”.

This Appalachian/Celtic video is pure delight:

youtube.com/watch?v=Jw5Knvdtutk

Tonight let’s head for ancient Finland.

Being accustomed to the dark Norse music and its tradition’s ancient battle drums, I was delighted when I heard the very light, quick,“happy happy joy joy” sound of Finnish music. Then I discovered that while the music is happy happy joy joy, the Finns are perhaps the most formidable warriors in all of Europe (a reputation gained during WWII – after the war, surveys of combatants from all countries showed that the Finns were the most feared – they weren’t particularly brutal or savage, just highly efficient and could do whatever had to be done). I also read that during parts of the Viking era, Vikings were prohibited, by their rulers, from visiting Finland. Dangerous juju (magic).

Then I wondered, which would I fear most. Big Thor-types stomping over the hill with battle drums, which is scary but normal, or a bunch of light footed celebrants traipsing over the hill singing happy happy joy joy, who would cut your heart out in a Helsinki minute. That’s just not normal.

Then I got the translation to one of the chirpiest little Finnish songs I’d heard. My Lord, these were happy little village maidens chirping about pouring molten tin down an old lady’s throat so they (the girls) could get their hands on the happy little village boys. And I realized, these Finns are delightful, cheerful, intelligent, formidable, and sometimes, apparently, psychotic as hell!

(no offense to any Finns, I think you guys are terrific and you seem to have the best gene pool in the whole world)

3 vids:

#1, the popular levan polkka as recorded by loituma, made popular by the viral leekspin internet loop thingy – another song about happy little village girls very aggressively pursuing happy little village boys – don’t get in their way…

#2, the popular levan polkka again, sung by a Finnish lumberjack whose dance style is… well, mighty happy happy joy joy for a lumberjack, but apparently these formidable warriors have no compunction against getting in touch with their feminine side, and I wouldn’t recommend saying this to their face…

#3 – 6+ minutes of terrific Finnish happy happy joy joy songs juxtaposed against a really fantastic video of a catamaran (or trimaran) literally flying over the open ocean – I never saw a sailboat lift that high out of the water going that fast before! The Finnish music just fits it perfectly. The first song, which sounds like Minnie Mouse on amphetamines, is the one where the happy little village girls plot to torture the old lady… just ain’t right… Then a light-speed instrumental with an interesting rhythm which my Hubs describes as dance music for people with five legs… The last song I don’t know what is, but I like it.

youtube.com/watch?v=BN4cLlIKnoA
youtube.com/watch?v=sx1vZJSDNHc
vimeo.com/11166286

Here are two songs from Sacred Spirit, which features Native American chants performed with synthesized accompaniment. The result is very beautiful, I think, and does have a very spiritual feel to it. Adding these songs to these videos created some sweet and mellow experience to relax to or even meditate by. I hope you enjoy them as much as I did and do.

Now let me say here that I looked at a bunch of Native American song and dance videos in coming up with this offering. The songs are superior, in my mind, to Japanese Kubuki, I give them that, but so is Chinese water torture. Without the excellent synthesized music on this project the Native American chants have no more melody than rush hour traffic in downtown Chicago. When it comes either to singing or dancing, Native Americans make excellent bridge-builders. :smiley:

But all stereotyping aside, with apologies in good humor, let me say that I have been entranced watching videos about Native Americans and the old ways so rapidly disappearing into lost memories. The beautiful images of Native Americans with wolves, buffalo, eagles, and the wide plains and prairies touched my heart and soul. I regret that I am not significantly Native American, and don’t want to pretend to something I’m not. But these beautiful video images and music capture my spirit with their sense of what might have been, what perhaps once was in places now gone. It came into my mind that these videos, the music and the incredible artwork are all inspired by the ghosts of those Native Americans who have died but have not entirely left us. They speak to the open heart; they touch the sensitive spirit. In their world beyond this, they have found lands bountiful with wildlife and devoid of reservations and greedy intruders. I truly and deeply hope this is so.

Song #1, Ly-O-Lay Ale Loya (Circle Dance)
http://youtu.be/0Z33CwdtUIA

Song #2 , Yeha Noha (Wolves video, Well-Wishes)
http://youtu.be/nXG7nd5TseU

Let’s take a short spin to the Basque and Navarra regions (Spain) for some good old fashioned Minoan Bull Leaping to the tunes of Gitano (Spanish Gypsy) music from Andalusia? And we might just have a surprise guest star singing an Andalusian song…

For reasons yet unknown, bull leaping is still practiced in the Northern and the Basque regions of Spain. Boys start learning to leap over and dodge charging calves and heifers. When they become young men, they join their friends in a sport known as recortes, and become recortadores.

Recortes seems to be a clean, amateur, fairly common boys’ sport in the regions where it’s practiced. The bulls come straight from the pasture to the arena, chase young men around for a while (one man at a time), then straight back to pasture (fighting bulls have to be kept in open pasture). The bull is not harmed or weakened in any way. To do so would be a disadvantage for the recortadores, since they’re judged on style, and you can only earn points if you’re facing a fresh, healthy, angry bull.

Though a couple of the “incidents” in the vid look scarey (like when one bull gets three guys in the same instance), a Huffington Post investigative reporter wrote that while most recortes events involve some slight injuries, they are rarely serious. The HP interviewed a recortadore who’d had a very bad looking moment during the event, and he was fine afterwards. His teammates had gotten the bull off of him within a few seconds.

This is a really exciting sport, apparently a lot of fun for the participants, almost a rite of passage for the young men, and the bulls look like they’re having a pretty good time, too!

vimeo.com/13505093

And now just for fun, a guest star from the past will sing for us in the Andalusian/Gitano style:

youtube.com/watch?v=JIEygq0rf5Q

Our neighbors to the North have some delightful folk music. I think both of these were composed in the 20th century by the late Wade Hemsworth, but they are too darlin’ to omit.

  1. The Black Fly Song – “Oh the black fly, the little black fly, always the black fly no matter where I go…”

youtube.com/watch?v=qjLBXb1kgMo

  1. The Log Driver’s Waltz – I’ve read that at one time this almost became the unofficial 2nd national anthem of Canada

youtube.com/watch?v=upsZZ2s3xv8

  1. Country of Origin Unknown – Planet of Origin Unknown

This children’s song (The Duck Song) has to happen sometime, with over 103 MILLION views on Youtube (a fact which seems more inexplicable than the origin of the universe). So since this is a relatively short post, forgive me. It’s a classic children’s folk song in the making. :-"

youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL … re=related

Hi Rebecca, I don’t know anything about world folk music and dance but I love the track below.
I stumbled upon it some time ago. Her voice is mesmerising.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqTMfbjAfnI[/youtube]

Oooo, what I beautiful song. How did you find it?

I know nothing about Bulgarian music, but I’ll definitely be exploring it now. I love the way this girl/lady handles the vocal ornamentals, very subtle, yet quick, crisp and clean. Magnificent voice.

I found this translation by googling “Malka Moma lyrics translation”:

A young girl went to the well

A young girl went to the well for cold, clean water
and she keeps her eyes on the lads around
“Please, wait young lady, a have a woden horse to make,
I am going to say you something, you know it is true”
They have sat and talk and talk, til the dusk has come.
And on their way back it has been already dark and the moon shining on the sky has had a shape of a horn

BTW: I’m far from an expert on world music. Like you with Australian music, I just explore that which I love. The only Australian traditional song I know is:

youtube.com/watch?v=CwvazMc5EfE

(I’d never heard of Slim Dusty til I found this video. Apparently he’s pretty big in Australia?)

I’m still looking for a good version of a Kiwi song I’ve heard about: Pokarekare Ana?

Thanks again for posting this lovely song and showing me another direction to look for beautiful ancient music (I gather, on cursory reading, that Bulgaria has a very ancient history, so I’m hoping to find some real goodies there).

Please post any other good stuff you find – you have good taste. It doesn’t have to be ancient or 100% traditional. As you may have seen, I’ve posted a couple of folky-type tunes which I predict are “classics in the making”.

As for Australian music, my husband samm is into rock-neofolk, and he’s been eating up some of the songs you post on your thread. Please keep them coming. rebecca

rebecca

I can’t remember. I like a lot of Scandanavian music so I probably found it in my music travels from there.

I loved the song but I fell in love with the tone of her voice. I checked out what the song was about too. Sweet.

FTR: A “Matilda” is the swag the hobos put their belongings in and carry over their shoulder. When you “waltz Matilda” it means you’re putting your swag on your back and going on walkabout again. The song, of course, is about a hobo (or freeman) who steals a sheep but dives into the water when a policeman tries to catch him. He chooses to drown rather than being sent to prison and hard labour. His ghost is said to haunt the lake (billabong) from then on after. Still a freeman…

Cool. Rock neo-folk? OK, I’ll see what I can find. :laughing:

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Thanks for the info on Waltzing Matilda.

I’m fixing up a new world music post now and then will take a break to explore Bulgarian music and history a little more.

Samm sing songing, “rock and neo-folk, oh goody”. I told him that I’d better warn you that when we say “rock”, well, you may not realize how old we are… But samm, unlike me, can appreciate newer stuff. I’m always longing for “the good old days”. later, rebecca

I’ve put several links (most to very short vids) in this post since I’d like to take a short break to study the Bulgarian music which suprachakra introduced this week (thankfully – I was running out of ideas. Wasn’t that song beautiful?).

For anyone interested in the ancient and pre-history of different peoples, music can be a great tool to use as musical styles change more slowly than even language does.

There are “informal” traditional dance videos in the group I’m posting today, all from the Republic of Georgia (which the residents call Sakartvelo) in the Southern Caucasus, or Transcaucasus, Mts on the Black Sea Coast. By “informal”, I mean everyday people dancing in restaurants and such.

In Georgia, everyone sings and dances, cradle to grave, traditional songs and dances. The most common traditional wedding gift in a village is a musical instrument for the home (usually the 3-string panduri). Westerners who visit Georgia comment that it’s abnormal if you go to a restaurant, or someone’s home for dinner, or an airport terminal, etc, and some people don’t break out in song and dance. Doesn’t that sound wonderful, almost like an old Hollywood musical?

These dances and songs represent an unbroken tradition going back to perhaps as early as 2500 BC (the dating of the earliest high civilization artefact found thus far in Georgia). However, wine making in Georgia dates back to at least 6000 BC – I believe Georgia is now considered the cradle of wine and viticulture. They grow over 500 varieties of grapes.

As noted in a previous post, Georgia was the ancient kingdom of Colchis, the “mythical” land of mystery and magic, to which Jason and the Argonauts sailed (this is now undisputed, mainstream scholarship). The first high kingdom of Colchis probably goes back to at least 1500 BC; there were strong ties with the earliest Mediterranean civilization, the ancient Minoans, as well as the later Mycenaeans and Greeks. Jason and the Argonauts probably did find a golden fleece in Colchis, since the residents in the high mts of the Svaneti region still use rams’ fleeces to pan the streams for flecks of gold.

One of the most unique aspects of Georgian culture is the polyphonic (multiple voices, harmony) singing, believed to predate any other known polyphonic tradition in the world by 300 to 500 years. There are no clues as to where this musical tradition came from, since all of Georgia’s neighbors have a monophonic (one voice) tradition. The musical scale and style is an isolate, different from any other known tradition (at least in their origins), as are the Georgian language, alphabet, and genetics.

Videos made professionally:

Georgian Legend – A fantastic introduction to Georgian music produced by the concert group Erisioni.
youtube.com/watch?v=-AqwY9XLAZA

Dance Shejibri – a short video of a thrilling competitive male dance –
They compete for the love of a lady, who has the power to stop any fight simply by walking between them.
When watching it, you find yourself saying “ouch” “ouch” “ouch”.
youtube.com/watch?v=2XJx-9uGG94

A haunting story-music video about medieval tribal warfare in the Caucasus Mts –
The Svaneti high mt region alone has over 900 defense towers guarding roads that are snowed-in half the year.
youtube.com/watch?v=nNOvytSBg-4

 The First Lady of Georgia -- really, the President's wife, Sandra Roelefs Saakashvili.  She is Dutch, a former international human rights attorney for the U.N. -- now a nurse and mother of 3, and informal international diplomat. 
 She is singing (with the group Basiani) the popular Georgian song "Suliko", which means "soul". It's based on the old Eurasian legend of the star-crossed love between the rose and the nightingale, but in Suliko, the lovers are human beings. The lost beloved sleeps beneath the rose, the bereaved talks to the nightingale who sings in the rose's branches.
 Suliko was the favorite song of Josef Stalin (he was Georgian). When his first wife died, he said that all human feeling inside him died. In later years, he spent his evenings walking in his private garden alone -- it had beautiful roses -- talking to the birds and squirrels, his only friends, feeding them from a small bag of seeds he carried with him on these walks.

youtube.com/watch?v=YH6U4BEprHg

INFORMAL VIDEOS

Westerners at a benefit trying to sing and, surprisingly, dance Shina Vorgil –
I’m convinced there’s not a man, woman, child or goat in Georgia who doesn’t sing and dance Shina Vorgil
youtube.com/watch?v=IdGVbrBtvEg

Little kids dancing Shina Vorgil around the house –
I love how fast dad reacts when the little guy goes splat.
youtube.com/watch?v=5nxC_Hx2xDI

A baby not old enough to walk, but old enough to dance –
He’s dancing to a song similar to Shina Vorgil, from the Svaneti high mt region.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ave3JddHnj4

Georgians in a U.S. restaurant in Philly, dancing –
NOTE: in public traditional dancing, men never touch women, it’s considered disrespectful;
In lowland cosmopolitan trad. dance, men and women wear overlong sleeves to prevent accidental hand touching.
youtube.com/watch?v=HMXO8XHez30

Georgians in Toronto restaurant, dancing
youtube.com/watch?v=PZPACZzLtE0

Georgians in a restaurant dancing the Parikaoba, which includes swordfighting – usually over a woman –
As above, the woman can stop these dance-duels anytime by simply walking between the two men.
Note that the men do that Georgian thing where men dance on their toe knuckles – ouch! ouch!
youtube.com/watch?v=B5MYA_F-Zbw

the end rebecca

Exploring Bulgarian Music

I’d like to pursue this as a shared activity. Perhaps someone here will see a connection or style of music/dance that I’m unfamiliar with. All I know thus far is that there is a “Balkan Tradition”.

Here are 2 folk dance vids from Youtube with Bulgarian dancers. Now these look a bit Greek-ish to me (but the only Greek music I’m familiar with comes from the movie Zorba the Greek).

UPDATE: The second video below is, apparently, a joke, as many of the Utube commentors protest that this is not Bulgarian music and it is humiliating to have this on Youtube. Apologies for posting the vid here, I’m new at Bulgarian music. The first vid is still OK, I think, but I’ll check to be sure. In my defense, who could have anticipated that someone on Youtube would upload a joke Bulgarian traditional dance video aimed at humiliating the Bulgarians? Why?

youtube.com/watch?v=P0M_2VtYElQ

youtube.com/watch?v=fpWB2RZ8jhE

Underneath the second vid, a Youtube commenter has taken exception (“Is this a f***ing joke?”) to this being designated as Bulgarian, saying it is more likely Turkish or Gypsy, definitely NOT Bulgarian. Will have to investigate further.

Underneath the first video are also commenters’ arguments re: what tradition this dance represents. (This isn’t going to be easy.) I note, too, that while both videos sound Zorba-Greek to me, Youtube commenters with greater discernment hear two different sounds. And the guys playing the drums are wearing skirts? Is this a “Balkan Tradition”?

Anyone else observe anything?

I’ll keep looking for and posting other sounds and styles from Bulgaria – it was a thoroughfare for migration in ancient days, so I’m suspicioning there will be several styles and styles overlapping with other traditions. And what is this “Balkan Tradition”? To my ears, these first two vids I dug up bear little similarity to the beautiful vid posted by Chakra.

If anyone wants to help, PLEASE jump in. Post anything Bulgarian (or possibly related to Bulgarian or Balkan styles) you find OR videos from other traditions to keep the thread diversified. thanks, rebecca

Homing in on the Rhodopes Mts., S Bulgaria/Greece – here’s another video from Nely Andreeva called on Youtube “Voices of Rhodopes”

youtube.com/watch?v=jtbuNZRvzGI

The early inhabitants of the Rhodopes Mts were the Thracians, so this seems to be the trail to follow, yes?

Ah, Voices of Rhodopes is an album with more than one singer. Here’s another:

youtube.com/watch?v=-EKQ4i0AEoQ

Whoa, is that a minor or neutral drop at the end of one of the motifs? Beautiful music. Will try to listen to the entire album on Youtube.

Now to check: Thracian/Rhodopes history, musical history, and the language of the region. And compare with music of nearest Greek region?

Presently doing research on the music of the Rhodopes, the ancient history of the Rhodopes, or Rhodope Mts, in Bulgaria, ancient Thrace and the Thracian language which originally was Daco-Thracian (Dacian and Thracian probably split in 1500 BC or so).

If anyone out there reading this knows anything about ancient Thrace, Dacia or Macedonia or Rhodopes, or ancient Bulgaria, or anything related to these cultures, or the Bulgarian music tradition, yooo hooo! This is beautiful music, and I’d like to “track it” as far back as I can, its history and other traditions it might be related to. The music of a people changes even more slowly than the language of a people, so, everybody, ears up!

A brief digression into American square dance calling. My grandfather was a square dance caller, he could perform the “singing-call”. Looking over Youtube, I can’t find a good singing call, but there’s always that classic old chestnut from the square-dance loving crew (really) at Warner Brothers Looneytoon Cartoon Factory, Bugs Bunny’s “Hillbilly Hare”. Bugs begins dancing, then takes over the calling and gives a hilarious primer on the singing-call. (“trout, trout, pretty little trout” lol)

youtube.com/watch?v=QYE2kfveYIo rebecca

Sometimes you get lucky – here’s an excellent article I found on the history and style of Bulgarian traditional music, particularly the music of the Rhodopes Mts. The subject is complex, but this article seems well researched and informative.

danubemusicfestival.com/site … dMusic.pdf

Based on this article, I’ll be looking for videos which reflect the Rhodopean mountainous Christian or Byzantine, Thracian or Slavic traditions, perhaps comparing them with similar neighboring traditions (if I can find any). According to this article, in the Islamic traditions of Western Thrace, which was more subject to Ottoman and other influences (as opposed to the more inaccessible mountain regions to the east which were Thracian, Slavic and Byzantine), women did not sing, and there was more Greek and Turkish influence. Bagpipes are indicative of the eastern Thracian Rhodopean traditions and close-cousin Macedonian traditions, taborines and large drums are more western Thracian with Ottoman, Islamic and Greek influences.

Red River Valley - American Traditional Folk
This is one we were taught in elementary school, one that is sung around campfires. These two versions by Marty Robbins feature some nice acoustic guitar and of course some fine vocals, both in the lead and the harmonies. This song is traditional American western folk music I guess, but everyone in America seems to have a Red River and a valley through which it wanders. So this old song gets sung around many a small home’s kitchen table after supper, in the quiet settling hours before bedtime brings slumber and sweet dreams to end the day.

youtu.be/ezJkRDQmL2Y

Desparados Waiting for a Train - by Guy Clark
Clark opens this song with a clear musical reference to Red River Valley and those small home kitchen tables to paint an image of poverty and quiet desperation. The son in the song watches his beloved father falter and fade, drinking to dreams gone dry and waiting, as old men do, for that train to come. Waiting and praying for that train at long last to come.

youtu.be/VbB5TRLF9mo

Mystery Video – I was hunting around for Rhodopes, Bulgaria, Macedonian, and came across this one. I have no idea what alphabet or language or ethnicity or music this is. Anyone recognize anything? I’m pretty sure the script isn’t Sanskrit :smiley: , but beyond that, I don’t know. Is this some kind of Greek/Cyrillic hybrid? Anyone recognize some of the letters?

UPDATE: O po po Maria, the song in this video, is a traditional Greek song, apparently also sung by Greek Macedonians. So I need to back track to the Rhodopes Mts again.

youtube.com/watch?v=fNWKfqGK … re=related

I think that quite a bit of knowledge about the relationships between different musical and ethnic heritage may come from Youtube commentators. From other Youtube vids, I take it that there is some argument about the origins of “true Macdonians”, who would be related to Rhodopesian. Those who espouse a Slavic origin get pretty upset if a song in the Greek language is presented as Macedonian. Really have no idea what’s going on with that one; I just keep reading. Anyone else know?

Here’s the first of a series of 6 Macdonian field recordings with explanations as to the regions involved. I’ll want to listen to but need to get back to the Bulgarian female singing after that. I’m hoping to “hear” similarities and differences, but I’m not trained in ethnomusicology, so for me, it’s hit and miss. Note: “field recordings” are rarely a lot of fun and one of the reasons I shied away from ethnomusicology as a profession. A lot of them sound, to me, like old people mumbling in their sleep.

youtube.com/watch?v=OJQUMkxpFK0

This research is turning out to be a spider’s web, but an interesting one. Going back to the original Rhodopean recordings with their distinct beautiful flowing melody lines in slower songs and apparently simple 2/2 or 4/4 dance rhythms (haven’t really hear a Rhodopean dance song yet). Wonder if they connect with a Byzantine sound? Or might they be, like the Georgian music, an isolate? rebecca