World Peace Now!

[FreeBornAngel]

If you sacrifice the individual you have no society.

Are you sure you want mobs to rule the planet?

I guess you would if you’d join them. Then your cowardice will be hidden amongst the crowd of cowards.

I’m not saying the seat belt isn’t a good idea, I’m saying surrendering your personal choice to man with a gun is bad policy. Watch what happens next.

It’s been said enough in the past.

You can surrender if you’d like, but don’t jump me in with you. I’ll decide for myself, thanks.

The only enforcing branch is you. If you tolerate being somebody’s bitch, then you obviously should continue, you don’t have what it takes to stand on your own two feet. You need somebody to take responsiblity for you because you are incapable. That’s fine for you, but leave me out. Stop sending men with guns to interfere with my freedom. I was having a perfectly peaceful day.
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I’m really gone this time.

[thesun1]

I guess you would if you’d join them. Then your cowardice will be hidden amongst the crowd of cowards.

I’m a coward because I choose not to stand up against a government I support?

I’m not saying the seat belt isn’t a good idea, I’m saying surrendering your personal choice to man with a gun is bad policy. Watch what happens next.

Well one day if the person rebelling against seatbelts gets into a car accident and lives just because of it, they will have the man to thank.

It’s been said enough in the past.

You can surrender if you’d like, but don’t jump me in with you. I’ll decide for myself, thanks.

That is a horrible comparison to todays society. Things are being tolerated more than ever now, you can walk down the street advertising the KKK and you will be protected by the police because of free will.

The only enforcing branch is you.

Enforcing branch is me eh? So if society is not tolerating force blah blah blah, does that mean I have the right to inconvience that person because they broke the rules?

If you tolerate being somebody’s bitch, then you obviously should continue, you don’t have what it takes to stand on your own two feet.

I am pleased with our government and our law enforcement, I do not feel that I am being oppressed in any way so there is nothing I need to stand up against. Not all of us think in your radical anarchist train of thought.

You seem to think people are cowards because they arn’t standing next to you, holding hands, and asking for world peace.

[Disgruntled_Human]

@creation imperfect

@thesun1

I must add…

In several situations its justifiable to take more than an eye. Excessive punishment in the past could prevent scenarios in the future. They take your eye you not only take their eye, you take their hand aswell - in the future they will remember it is wrong to harm people.

that is one of the coldest things i have ever heard.

People who cannot be reasoned with must be dealt with in terms that they can comprehend, swift and violent reprisals.

[creation_imperfect]

so you see it as people whom you lack the capacity to reason with are left with only the option of excessive violence to supress?

wars have been started with this mindset.

[Astral]

Peace is not possible. Even people of like mind will dissagree occasionally.

The majority must have its will established for the best possible peace. All to often this is not the case! All throughout history rules are established by the few and more war comes around! Therefore peace is impossible. We just kick back every once in a while to get a break from all the killing!

[Disgruntled_Human]

@creation imperfect

so you see it as people whom you lack the capacity to reason with are left with only the option of excessive violence to supress?

wars have been started with this mindset.

No you silly boy, I’m talking about people like Hitler, Stalin, Osama and Zarqawi. Also, I’m not just talking about me, I’m talking about the general public. Yes there will be some people that I, personally will not be able to reason with, and other people will be. But in the case of people who cannot be reasoned with by ANYONE is when violence must be used.

Many fascist genocidal regimes have been allowed to exist with your mindset.

[creation_imperfect]

@Astral

Peace is not possible.

but it’s still important to try.

[Astral]

@creation imperfect

@Astral

Peace is not possible.

but it’s still important to try.

There is nothing wrong with trying… I do agree with that! One cannot acheive perfection but you might come close… if you try!

[Impenitent]

and the wise one knows when to stop banging his head into the wall…

-Imp

[Astral]

@Impenitent

and the wise one knows when to stop banging his head into the wall…

-Imp

I must admit… since I cant seem to go anywhere without hearing the liberal media I have trouble stopping… I think I need help!!!

HELP!!!

[aspacia]

[quote=“FreeBornAngel”]

Within these parameters conflict is not possible. Peace is unavoidable.

Hilarious! When have humans every lived within specific parameters? We seldom do in the West, ditto the Middle-East, Asia, Central and South America.

Hilarious. Try reading up regarding human history. We have always be in one form of a war or another

[aspacia]

@creation imperfect

so you see it as people whom you lack the capacity to reason with are left with only the option of excessive violence to supress?

wars have been started with this mindset.

Creation, there are simply some people that cannot be reasoned with. Religious fanatics “This is murder” “This is a sin against God” “This is…” blah, blah blah. These fanatics will often try to force other to accept their mindset or be murdered.

Can people really reason with an Idi Amin, Saddam, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Castro? Think about it.

[Disgruntled_Human]

To corroborate with Aspacias previous statement…

Those who refuse to believe that some people cannot be reasoned with will never be able to help solve the problem.

[thesun1]

@Disgruntled Human

Those who refuse to believe that some people cannot be reasoned with will never be able to help solve the problem.

Agreed

[Mastriani]

@aspacia

Creation, there are simply some people that cannot be reasoned with. Religious fanatics “This is murder” “This is a sin against God” “This is…” blah, blah blah. These fanatics will often try to force other to accept their mindset or be murdered.

Can people really reason with an Idi Amin, Saddam, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Castro? Think about it.

Sure, you can reason with them. You just can’t expect them to reciprocate with reasonability.

Another does not stop your ability to use logic, nor does it require that they return logic, for the logic given.

[Disgruntled_Human]

@thesun1

@Disgruntled Human

Those who refuse to believe that some people cannot be reasoned with will never be able to help solve the problem.

Agreed

[size=150]THERE IS NO SAFTEY IN DENIAL[/size]

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

[FreeBornAngel]

Ok, from the top,…

I’m a coward because I choose not to stand up against a government I support?

No, you are a coward because you support violence you are not willing to engage in on your own.

Well one day if the person rebelling against seatbelts gets into a car accident and lives just because of it, they will have the man to thank.

I’m not against seatbelts so much as I am using them as an excuse to fish in my car. If I choose not to wear mine that’s my business.

That is a horrible comparison to todays society. Things are being tolerated more than ever now, you can walk down the street advertising the KKK and you will be protected by the police because of free will.

Maybe I’d like to say it’s 4:20.

So if society is not tolerating force blah blah blah, does that mean I have the right to inconvience that person because they broke the rules?

I’d assume that rudeness would be tolerated in variable amounts in the various places and times.

I am pleased with our government and our law enforcement, I do not feel that I am being oppressed in any way so there is nothing I need to stand up against. Not all of us think in your radical anarchist train of thought.

I’m glad that you fit so well within the system, I wish you the continued happiness. I’d need more data to point to your glaring inconsistencies, but anyone that is happy with this system is vary much a product of it.

You seem to think people are cowards because they arn’t standing next to you, holding hands, and asking for world peace.

I do think it’s less brave to ask.

If we are all equal who would I be asking?

Have you read Animal Farm?

In several situations its justifiable to take more than an eye. Excessive punishment in the past could prevent scenarios in the future. They take your eye you not only take their eye, you take their hand aswell - in the future they will remember it is wrong to harm people.

that is one of the coldest things i have ever heard.

People who cannot be reasoned with must be dealt with in terms that they can comprehend, swift and violent reprisals.

Offenders should be returned to their victims. It’s up to the victim to demonstrate what kind of person they’d like to be.

so you see it as people whom you lack the capacity to reason with are left with only the option of excessive violence to supress?

Yes, if you are unreasonable, what else am I to do? Bend over? Kiss you and tell you I liked it?

Peace is not possible. Even people of like mind will dissagree occasionally.

Peace is possible, not all disagreements must have violence. I’d suggest withdrawing to your respective corners.

All throughout history rules are established by the few and more war comes around!

Exactly,…the majority need only demonstrate their lack of tolerance for those willing to use force to get what they want.

But in the case of people who cannot be reasoned with by ANYONE is when violence must be used.

Will you give me some parameters of what you’d be reasoning about, DH?

Where do you draw your line?

When would you advocate for armed thugs?

Ascpia, can you tell me how your predicted war would go if nobody had the authority to use force?

That would be a ‘funny’ war.

Creation, there are simply some people that cannot be reasoned with. Religious fanatics “This is murder” “This is a sin against God” “This is…” blah, blah blah. These fanatics will often try to force other to accept their mindset or be murdered.

Religious training is the deepest.

Until the fanatics breed themselves out we will never be safe.

Personally I advocate ostracism.

Sure, you can reason with them. You just can’t expect them to reciprocate with reasonability.

But how long do I have to tolerate the abuse of their hired thugs?[/url]

[creation_imperfect]

@creation imperfect

so you see it as people whom you lack the capacity to reason with are left with only the option of excessive violence to supress?

wars have been started with this mindset.

i shall explain further.

"so you see it as this: when you, personally, lack the ability to reason with someone, you are only left with the option of using excessive violence towards them in order to supress them? wars have been started with this mindset of being ‘the only one who could possibly reason with them, so if i can’t do it, who can? we must kill them!’ "

[Disgruntled_Human]

@FreeBornAngel

But in the case of people who cannot be reasoned with by ANYONE is when violence must be used.

Will you give me some parameters of what you’d be reasoning about, DH?

Where do you draw your line?

When would you advocate for armed thugs?

I’m talking about Hitler. If Gandhi’s tactics were used against Hitler, it would make no difference. “Truth Force” does no good against those who wish to kill you. If you had a rally against Hitler, bring a bullet proof vest is all I can say.

Why do people like you try to comfort yourself with the insane idea that fascist, genocidal dictators like Hitler and Stalin can be reasoned with?

And one more thing, how would you go about “reasoning” with Hitler or Stalin? My method has worked quite effectively at dethroning fascists, you better at least tell us how you plan to approach these homocidal freaks.

[FreeBornAngel]

CI, I see what you mean, but if someone is forcing themselves on me, and I chose not to be a doormat, what other option is there?

Action must be reacted against.

If you force your way on me, I should just join you?

DH, of course one would oppose Hitler with his own tatics, Hitler used force first.

I’d advocate killing the homicidal freaks as one encountered them.