Would a naturalistic view of god be beneficial during our pr

Very true. Belief would have to become a sharing of felt experiences. Many who claim to be atheists or agnostics have experienced the at-one-ness Nature offers. I think some folks have tried with “Utopian” societies, such as Gasken’ Farm in Tennessee-- have tried to get back the open welcome Nature has for all.
Last I heard the Farm is still operating. But such attempts do not fare well alongside the majority’s craving for more and improved things.
A small start in teaching ecosystems in schools might be all we can do until some disaster awakens us from our possessive slumber.

As the O.P. indicates, we are on the same page buddy.

Let’s hope such thinking catches hold and moves us to collectively act.

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DL

It not enough to condemn those mindsets that keep humans separate from Nature and from each other. We must introduce challenging new visions of our place in the universe. Old myths will have to be let go as new, rational and spiritual insights are born. The new insights will have to include the latest scientific understandings.

So, what does a brother do/due?

what’s your waste ratio, your carbon foot print. I’m sitting on a hundred poundz of plate glass cause there is now where to recycle it.

What’s it going to cost to dispose of all the LED lights that are all the rage?

Give me an old incandescent bulb. Sure they didn’t last long, but they didn’t involve mercury like phosphorescent tech did and they crushed down to next to nothing compared to the ballasting required of that tech.

Yeah buy LED, it will last longer then we have figured out what to do with it as waste?

So what’s a do brothers do?

Products need to be designed with respect to the entire life cycle, which includes disposal. That means they need to be easily dismantled into parts that are recycled, burned and handled as toxic waste.

Currently the only considerations are cheap manufacture and function. Almost nobody is thinking about what happens at the end of a product’s life.

A major obstacle is even recognizing that we have a problem … that we can’t go on doing what we have been doing for decades.

That was tried in the past but when people saw science taking over, it scared them into fundamentalism and literal reading of myths. IOWs, it scared them into stupidity.

The next time intelligence raises it’s head in fundamental literalist religions, it should be the last time as the majority, even today, who claim an affiliation to a religion are known by their attendance record to be lying en mass.

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DL

Pick a cause and advocate as hard as you can.

I would not pick a return to the older lighting as their electric use is higher and that means a larger carbon fooyprint to light the billions of bulbs. That is a guess on my part but an educated guess.

A great cause for you would be cows. Watch the documentary — Cowspiracy and see why.

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DL

A great cause for me? Cows.

How weird. A cow can do something I can’t… eat grass and as result create protein. I look around the planet and there is a lot of grassland, cows could live there and I could still eat a part of a cow once a month and not feel too bad about the arrangement. Cows graze on grass with a view of both sunrise and sunset every day of their life and a preditor comes along. Not seeing raising cattle as much of a villain. Now capitalist driven means. Cow eat other dead cow parts, are denied the wonder of sunrises and sunsets and gets a bolt to the head for it’s troubles. How human.

Not so right. Not one problem but many. And you seem to have clustered them all together, as if the pile can’t somehow be sorted out. If profit weren’t the bottom line.

The new lights are also bad for the body. I can feel that, though I believe there is some pushed aside science behind it also. I special order the old kind of lights. And I suspect that this is known, that these lights are not good for us, but that they either don’t care or actually prefer that we are on the badly affected side.

A cow cannot choose to be a part of our present major extinction event. Humanity can and we are choosing the extinction of our grandchildren.

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DL

Man, I agree, to a point, as I don’t have grandchildren. Maybe you missed the whole progeny isn’t the point part, Life is. Yes? I have friends with some grand kids. Don’t wish them to come to harm either.

I agree, for different reasons. You don’t address them, but they still bring us to a commonality. Humans are very responsible for fucking up the balance of life on the planet. Pay more attention to the result, not so much the means. You haven’t acknowledged them yet, so?

Your heart has some really cool colors. That grants you some wiggle room. Two by four, I am on your side. But, hey, keep swinging away.

Regards

Life must have a purpose.

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DL

If it does it gets made up going along.

As it should.

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DL

Funny that regard can swing both ways.

:smiley:

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DL