Satan was actually the fith beat in Heaven,he wanted to break lose from God’s Holy royalness,and sadly succedded,that is Fate,he (Satan) fought his way out of heaven,while God had this moment planned ahead of time,the abyss was ready for the Dragon (which is the symbol of royal-highness,deception ).
that is my Religous philosophy,plus the scriptures have some relation to my point,somewhere in revelations.
the thought of our Saviour Jesus christ,allowing Satan to be Redeemed,is irrational,because Satan’s Fate was to stay God’s opposite,your suggesting a thought that Contradicts what the Scriptures have already set for us.
Converting people is wrong,Free will (choice) is the way we should be heading for instead of the old hook,line,and sinker tricks,put away the smoke and mirrors,hold the weapons,and let the prisoners decide their next move,we the people hold ourselves prisoners,we wordmurder the worlds youth into canabalism,the best way to stop this is for the young to bring force against the lying adults.
I was always curious as to why Jesus placed Paul over all his faithful disciples. A man who formally hunted and killed them for fun. I wonder how they felt about that decision? Why would He do such a thing?
personal problems maybe, he refussed to share them with jesus,thus leading to the killing,just a minor possibility.
i’m sure they felt very deppressed to know the decision made.
the bible never says anything about Satan being an angel named Lucifer who was kicked out of heaven for rebelling against God, that a load of doody that somebody just made up to explain Satan to people, the protestants came up with it. so according to the bible Satan is just Satan, a creation of God apparantly, created to be Satan (mr. evil pants).
YES. God, the Christ, the Word, the Son of Man etc. has no need to respect the principle of non-contradiction (he designed these principles). This god entity is way past “our ways” his ways are mysterious, he can decide anything contradictory at all, can also decide to not exist since the state of existence is under his control (he designed existence), can obliviate himself and then reappear and much much more.
According to the Old Testment satan WORKED for God. Satan came to job and got god’s PERMISSION to mess with Job.
According to Jesus and the epistles the only unforgiveable sin is to doubt the holy spirit… since Satan himself is a spirit, he can’t doubt himself thus could be forgiven.
now that I’ve done the hypothetical, prove that the christian version of satan is more jewish than hellenistic.
i already mentioned that,i said SATAN was SATAN in heaven and fought his way out of Heaven,re-read my post.
“(mr.evil pants)” that sounds more Human then dragon-related.
I hear is said somewhere that it’s only logical that when the end of the world comes that all of the people in heaven won’t be happy knowing about all of those people in hell, so they will beg forgiveness and it shall be granted.
I don’t think that’s true. I think christianity started out primarily in the diasporia, and was a hellenistic movement… in fact some early christians questioned the judaic connection to their savior god at all.
Where is the best place to research opinions about it? I need to find a opinion to adopt that will answer this question to my satisfaction. I would rather it be from someone who will accept the responsibility for misleading me if they are wrong. Is there anyone willing to do this around?
Anyone that sure of their opinion, I will adopt as mine own with confidence.
Basically, regarding the angels and Satan- there is no such thing as time. So they would not change their minds as we do. If Satan decided to go against God and form his own army of demons, he is able to see the whole picture – not as we do with our limits of time. So Satan would not change his mind as we do and so it would just never happen.
Could I ask where you researched to come up with that opinion? I would like to research what you did, to see if I come up with the same opinions you did. Got any links?
Read the Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas- Punishment of the Demons-particuarly the second and third article. It talks about the obstinate evil will in demons among other things…