Wretched Man

[Bob]

Hi Nick,

If you recall, I was the one who posted the thread on the idea that the unity of religions exists at a level far beyond our comprehension. From this perspective, what we know on the surface of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are just exoteric man made interpretations so how could either be the exclusive vehicles.

I’m sorry, I should have realised that time flies and you couldn’t know about my earlier posts. Thu Jan 01, 2004, a year before you started posting here, there was the thread on mysticism (which I didn’t start) in which we began talking about commonalities between the mystic traditions of numerous religions.
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There were probably many before then too, but what is important, is that there have been many people posting in that direction over the years.

I agree that there are times people are called but like explained in the parable of the Sower, it often becomes lost.

If you take an introspective view of that Parable, you will find that much is lost on us too, so why not focus on the good news – where the seed finds good ground it grows (some a hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold). That would be the positive approach that I mean. It is no secret that the “explanation” of the parable was added later.

Jesus’ “presence” which was the visible representation of his consciousness, allowed people to experience presence or inner alignment within themselves and self awareness. For those open to it, it was the experience of an entirely new perspective, a looking down at oneself and the earth from above so to speak. Associative thought is not its source but consciousness is.

This Meta-Vista is also possible from within without that magical “presence” to bump-start people. The sad thing about your idea of “presence” is that you can’t explain it but rather people are expected to believe that they must find others who “have” it. It is only a short-cut to misleading and misuse of those gullible enough. I find that the inner Way is more protective of those who might not be able to fend for themselves.

The disciples were not blindly following Jesus around and falling asleep. There were many exercises used to teach them. From what I’ve read, even sacred dance often used in Tibet was used … There was more going on then just acting meek and humble. There was active inner work going on lead by an awakened being for the purpose of awakening with the goal of re-birth.

Of course there was a lot going on, but it was a lot more natural than the therapeutic courses you are suggesting. What do you envisage when you write “just acting meek and humble”? I envisage someone who is contemplative and meditative, who goes about his daily tasks thoughtfully and attentively, aware of his own dealings and words, maintaining a balance and gaining a steadiness in his dealings with others. Such people are open for inspiration and revelation.

Have to go now, I’ll be spending two weeks in England and may not find a hotspot - so don’t wait up for me

Shalom