Yet another critique of feminism.

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What is the ideology of feminism beyond identity and sexual politics?

Through identity politics women try to prey on men through guilt and resentment by that of victimization through dramatic acting.

Why should men make special concessions for women, when women themselves make no such concessions for men in mutual return?

In our present age there exists no special interest groups for men or masculinity itself yet inequally in comparison through ridiculous idealistic moral conjectures there does for women alone.

Everyday men are falsely accused of rape, intolerance, harassment, and defamations by women without evidential representation like some crusading Spanish inquisition of political correctness, where many men become publicly attacked with no basis.

How long must men put up with tyrant feminists and women cheating liars alike?

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Feminism fails because the desire is not equality between the sexes, it’s the desire for women to 'turn the tables" on men and their evil penises of doom.

Should men make “special exceptions” for women? No. Do not allow women to make you feel guilty for having a penis. You guys, in general, are not doing anything wrong.

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Agreed.

I appreciate your honesty.

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Meh. I’ve never been much of a feminist. I’m not all in to male oppression or anything…equality works just fine for me. But feminists do not really want to be equal to men…they do NOT want to be treated like men. They want to make the same money without being expected to do the same work. They want to be allowed to dress like sluts, but be thought of as “too noble” for men to comment on their bodies. Basically, they want the perks of being a man without the dirty stuff.

I figure we would be better off if men were treated as men, and women were treated as women, but all were treated as humans with equal privledges in most senses.

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I understand everything you saying except for the “equality” part but nonetheless you are the first honest woman I have discussed this issue with. Kudos for you. :slight_smile:

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Equality? Oh you know me Joker…I think people have rights and stuff.

Same basic “Don’t fuck with me” rules for men and women. It’s pretty simple…AND HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS A WOMAN!?!

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I recently got a job at a company that sells income insurance. The lady in charge was saying how women are less likely than men to get income protection because women still depend on the man to be the main provider and thus don’t see their jobs quite so crucial, in general, "regardless of the supposed equality between men and women :unamused: ". Why do we have to split all the work between the two partners to ensure equality? Is sex an act of inequality? Should all women wear strapons and ride the husband as well? You make your own place in the world, man or woman.

Feminism in the west in the 21st century is more like a religion: an ideal that equates every disappointing outcome (i.e. not getting that promotion) as being discriminated against and allows for vengeance. Not to say that sexual discrimination doesn’t happen, but feminism demands preference, not equality.

oops, may pretty much just said all that. apologies

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On the equality part we will have to agree to disagree. :slight_smile:

I knew you were a woman by the feminine stature of your posts. I am great at observing people.

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Feminine stature…my posts must accentuate my chest or something.

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Not really. :stuck_out_tongue: Your name also looks feminine so that also gave it away.

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This made me LOL.

While funny, I don’t totally agree with it. A friend of mine said on the subject:

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I don’t think feminism is bad because men are these poor hapless victims of their insidious complaints. I don’t think we can all stand around and assume that genders are just treated equally and nothing need be done. I don’t even think that feminists extremists like the author of the SCUM manifesto are completely insane in believing some sort of evil in male sexuality that should be completely destroyed (okay . . . I’ll say she’s nuts for good reason instead).

The part of feminism I don’t approve of is the volumes and volumes of complaints and “vagina monologues” without a real consort of actions against what they complain about. To cut to the chase I’m talking about vigilanteism. Certainly, I’m more than convinced that there’s a mass of history with those that got away with such disgusting sex crimes than the peanut collection of those falsely accused and convicted. But say you don’t like rapists? You don’t like paedophiles? Well pick up a knife or a gun or whatever and get out there. Form a gang. Make money. I don’t care. I would donate money to a charity of such design, not these “runaway shelter, that you need to register for, from your abusive man.” Instead I see a splintered mass of letter-writers on talk shows proudly proclaiming that they make a difference because they make money by drawing attention to themselves.

I’ve genuinely tried to do things such as take a girl that’s routinely raped because she’s pretty and just not all there upstairs-- I coaxed her to a YWCA and tried to put the situation to them straight. They said she doesn’t have enough ID. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

So if I’m such a gung-ho nut, then why am I no feminist? Because I think humanity itself is corrupt. After all the “we hate men” tyrade, or at the end of “look at all the great things that women alone did” exclusive focus, or simply “we’re superior to men” . . . after all this is said and done at the end of the day they go home to their husbands, get pregnant, and raise sons to try and steer them into girlettes, ending up with faggy screwed up boys that don’t want to identify their gender. ](*,)

Maytacera- I’m curious how the “don’t fuck with me attitude” would work in an Islamic fundamentalist circle where letting your hair out of your mosque is considered punishable defiance. I won’t go through the littany of their more interesting practices or idea of punishments. But the attitude certainly does work for men in those circles. In fact, I don’t think the attitude is particularly considered feminism or welcome to be expressed by women in any culture before it’s been challenged by women’s upheavel. There’s an interesting culture of tomboys who think feminism is gay. Sure, no problem. But a woman who hates feminism is typically one who thinks you should all knit, sew, and cook all day. Boy-stuff forbidden – because women wouldn’t have a right to do the boy things . . .

and I think everyone was sure you were a woman.

Back to point. Feminism is splintered and cluttered with hollow threats. It seems less about making an example of male sex crimes and woman abuse- and more about trying to “train” people and their culture like dogs- like little girls wanting to play dressup with their puppies and dolls etc. Like wanting to oblige people into a talk-obsessed and incestive “family first” culture.

Secondly, feminist literature talks about an end to rape an end to abuse an end to this and that. I don’t believe that societal progress is about ending anything. When did we ever end anything? I don’t even think that justice should be restorative or enforcement preventative. I don’t believe you can create this model for the world to follow with tazers and prisons preaching: “Pacify or else!” I believe it’s about rightly punishing the act alone. I have no problem with serial rapists burned at the steak. It certainly worked in the middle ages to stop women from their “evil witchcraft.” I have no problem with giving people the freedom to commit atrocious crimes.

Ironically enough, I wouldn’t hate feminism so much if it wasn’t so dickless in many cases.

My critique of feminism is not that men are these poor little victims of their incessant whining. My critique is just that-- incessant whining. I know a girl who stabbed her boyfriend after he hit her. She’ll walk around in the dead night in any neighbourhood packing a 12" finger-holed blade. The law certainly doesn’t approve, but she’s a model feminist to my respect. Not someone you really want to get tangled up with . . . but a model feminist nonetheless.

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Yeah, pretty much, Joker.

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And modern feminism fails because feminists do not want equality, they want the perks of being a man without the crap parts.

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Aww, what a cute little thread. Boys and girls talking together about how boys and girls should be.

It’s actually TOO cute. (slumber)

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Aww, how cute. A faux intelectual who has nothing to contribute to the thread but his discontentment with it.

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I’ve contributed the essential stuff elsewhere, where I can actually discuss feminist philosophy. It seems fitting to leave this thread to you and your little Joker friend. You both appear to deeply intuit how boys and girls should treat each other. Go for it, babes.

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Be careful Maytacera, Ingenium is a rabid feminist who is only happy converting people to her cause.

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In other words Ingenium is only comfortable debating things in her own protected atmosphere and in her own threads.

She does not have the courage in speaking about feminism especially when it is being critiqued right in front of her.

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The idea of feminism is only about equal rights. theres a lot of nonsensical ‘new age’ feminism, though.

Anyway, for everyman falsey accused of rape, theres many many rapes that actually happened many of them unreported, beaten women, etc. Equal rights should be accepted by everyone, and thats all normal feminism is about.