You don't know God is real and you don't know he isn't

Before we get into the nit & grit, let’s clear up a few points, to both you and Scalptor

Gandalf is “real”. I can draw a picture of him. There is an “Authority” on the matter of Gandalf: JRR Tolkein. JRR Tolkein dictates Gandalf’s nature, his appearance, his abilities, and any “super”-natural abilities, like being a Wizard. So, it seems, both you and Scalptor are wrong about the basics and foundation… of Gandalf, and of God.

So let’s return to the previous question, if JRR Tolkein is the “Author” of Gandalf, then who is the “Author” of God?

…and not “just anybody” can write The Lord of the Rings.

Not “just anybody” can be an Author. Not “just anybody” can become an Authority figure, either. This applies to “real world” politics too. Not “just anybody” can be President Donald J. Trump. Whether it’s “real” power, or not, there is something special about Author-ity.

That’s an interesting but ultimately useless comparison. No one person write the idea of God. At least no one person we can point to and know about.

If you want to find whoever has the original “authority of the idea of God, because they were the original author if the idea”, then all I can say is good luck with that.

Literally every human can form an idea of “God”. So your analogy fails again. We don’t need to be highly skilled authors to do that.

I suppose you think Pythagoras is the only authority on the idea that the world is round. Since he was the first person in history to come up with that idea. Therefore no one can think about the idea of the world being round on their own, they must respect and follow the original authority, what Pythagoras said about it, right? No individual thinking about it on their own, just never-ending appeals to authority?

Catholicism and every centralized, major world religion, disagrees with you. Aside from Protestants, “Authority” is in fact NOT in the hands of the plebs, serfs, peasants, but rather in the Clergy, a select-few intelligentsia, who are “direct conduits to the Divine”.

And this is obvious, because although “Wizardry” does not begin and end with JRR Tolkein, nor with Gandalf, it does not therein mean that “just anybody” can write or author a Wizard into existence.

You need to have a special ingredient in order for everybody else to recognize you.

There are several important points embedded in that statement, and it’s worth unpacking them carefully. First, we need to ask: What do you mean by “God”? And equally importantly: What do you mean by “real”?

The word “God” carries a vast range of meanings across cultures and traditions. For some, God is a personal being—an all-powerful creator who intervenes in history, listens to prayers, and judges moral behavior. For others, “God” is more abstract: a symbol of the ground of being, the source of all consciousness, or the unfolding intelligence of the cosmos. And beyond the monotheistic image, we find entire pantheons of gods and goddesses across human history—each one “real” in the sense that they inhabit myth, ritual, art, and belief. They shape human lives, inspire ethical codes, and form the basis of civilizations.

In this sense, gods are real because people believe in them. Their reality exists in the psychic, cultural, and historical dimensions. They are real as archetypes, real as agents in literature and sacred text, and real in the sense that they have shaped human experience for millennia. Whether or not they correspond to discrete metaphysical entities is a different question—and one that, arguably, lies beyond the scope of certainty.

Then there are traditions—especially within mysticism, non-dual philosophy, and some forms of panentheism—that speak of God not as an external being, but as the all. In these traditions, everything is God, or God is within everything. The notion of separateness collapses. In this context, asking whether God “exists” in the conventional sense becomes a kind of category error. It’s like asking whether space exists, or whether consciousness is “real.” God is not an object in the universe but the very condition of the universe—and of our awareness.

To borrow an image from physics, just as we cannot directly observe dark matter or dark energy, yet we infer their presence through their effects, perhaps our inability to “see” God says more about the limitations of perception than about the nature of divinity. Some traditions say, “You are That,” or “You are It,” pointing not to a being outside us, but to an essence so near that it escapes objectification. We look for something “other,” but if the divine is not other—if it is the ground of our very being—then no external proof will ever suffice.

So yes, in the empirical sense, perhaps we do not know whether God exists “out there” in a measurable way. But that doesn’t mean the question is meaningless—it means we need to expand our understanding of what kind of knowledge, and what kind of reality, we are talking about.

Elitism much?

Uh yeah, they can. Assuming they have a few braincells that work and know how to use a symbolic language.

“Oh I just read LOTR, wow I love the idea of wizards! I wrote my own wizard, his name is Fertifhd the wise. He is 7 feet tall and has lived for 500 years in a cave in the side of Mt. Everest. He has the ability to call lightning down, but he usually sits by himself and drinks tea that he brews from local fauna. He meditates a lot and occasionally people make the journey to his cave to ask advice or get healing, which he does for a small fee. His other powers are as-yet unknown but it is rumored he can teleport himself from one location to another with his wizardry magic.”

See how easy that is? My idea is just as REAL in terms of being a REAL IDEA as Tolkein’s. And now, both ideas exist in both of our minds, yours and mine. See how easy that is?

Bro, cmon. You think everything is a popularity contest? Are you seriously not familiar with the fallacy of appeal to the masses, or appeal to authority?

I bet the book of love is based on the true story nobody wrote.

Don’t diss yourself below the belt, Pezer.

Thank you for being “honest” about your foundation for the existence of God.

Next, why do you believe that is the essential requirement for God? Is God completely subjective to you? Not and never an ‘Object’? Never ‘beyond’ human subjectivity, and forever confined to personal opinion?

Also, you can conjure as many Wizards as you like… doesn’t make you an ‘Authority’ on the topic. You missed that point.

When it comes to (Abrahamic) God, clearly, the Bible is a collection of Authors whom most Humanity agree, even Christians, Moslems, Jews, all agree with some sections, are Legitimate about God.

What is the Subject, again?

or, perhaps, rather… what does?

Asking for a friend.

Wow. Just… wow.

Missed on all three counts there buddy. Sorry to say. I know you tried.

Next time I am both drunk and bored I might feel an urge to continue clarifying your errors and mistakes. For now, it’s just to tedious and I encourage you to think on it some more. There’s always the possibility of change and growth next time.

The citations were from 2022 which means that by now, she might have completed her study. She wrote the following in 2022:

I’m about to graduate with my MS (though I’m doing PhD immediately as part of a bridge program)

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I don’t believe in free will but I would argue that at the core, philosophy is not deterministic of nature and actual free will - a level of freeness to create the world, which goes beyond a choice - is evident.

Looks like you need to be “drunk and bored” to make a vain, infantile attempt at Philosophy then, shameful…

No, only dealing with silly unserious noobs like you. It is… incredibly tedious.

Almost as if you’re not even human, like you are some kind of program or weird animal pretending to be a functioning human with a brain… it’s odd. Defies categorization, as I was writing about in my Rant topic post the other day. Just the fact humans, even those ostensibly interested in PHILOSOPHY and THINKING, would be so utterly and deliberately irrational, unserious, self-contradicting, dishonest, lazy and insane… I mean. Maybe this is some kind of simulation, I don’t really know. I just assume the combination of environmental toxins, shitty education, drugs and vaccine damage, psychological warfare victimization, mass media brainwashing and unmitigated deleterious gene mutations have something to do with it.

In Vino Veritas,

Alcohol, along with many other drugs and amphetamines, lower a person’s mental defenses. “The Truth” and what you called “Honesty”, tend to slip out during these defenseless moments and lapses of judgment.

You revealed your thoughts to the forum. Is it so surprising?

@RealUn @HumAnIze

You guys have been going at each others throats pretty viciously for a while now. I’d like to see you guys be able to converse and debate without relentless insults, but my second favourite thing I’d like to see here is, if you can’t do that, just don’t comment on each others threads. There’s gotta be a way for people to discuss their ideas here without it becoming an insult contest.

I bet they’re even disrespectful to their own mothers.

Not really, I’m respectful of my mother, but I exceeded the control of both my parents early on in life.