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Your ENTIRE Life is One Complete Accident.[/size]
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[size=124]Constructed by completely specific rules and universal laws, but yet, we experience our lives as one comprehensive accident, composed of smaller, interrelated accidents.
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I disagree I am something, although what I amount to may be construed as nothing worthwhile.
Firstly, I don’t think that animation is relevant, funny or clever. ‘We’re talking of accidents, so why not show someone being electrocuted to death, or impaled on a fence? Get it?? Ha!’
Secondly, many of our lives were intended by our parents, so on that level they’re not accidents. Then when we’re old enough for rational thought, we often plan out large percentages of our lives and accomplish those plans.
Thirdly, it can’t be an accident if you foresee it happening. You concede in your post that life events are the result of specific rules and universal laws. We understand these laws, and can and do accurately predict the future, so these results can’t be described as accidents.
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First of all - Thank you for responding to this thread. I appreciate your opinion and the fact that you have taken this thread so seriously.
Images, animations, GIFs often add an understanding to this forum that would be lengthy or many times impossible to express in a pure linear form.
Second, the GIFs and images I use are powerful. The fact that you initially addressed the GIF & concept of images and animations I use FIRST shows the magnitude of images upon a philosophy forum.
Thirdly, I knew the term accident would be a problem for most people who attempted the challenge of understanding this thread. Again, I appreciate your specific attempt…I know this isn’t the right place to tell you this and I AM POSITIVE I am the wrong person to deliver this message but - here goes…I’ve seen this movie…and you die in the end. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that happens to us is framed by this overriding and undeniable fact.
In addition, as philosophers, once we begin to wake-up we see that YOU and I have not developed this language that we are using in this forum and in our daily lives. It’s an accident that you and I are using this specific language. YOU have not chosen this time or place to exist in. YOU nor I, nor ANYONE reading this thread knows who will be next to walk through our doorway, nor what will be the first words that they speak.
We control NOTHING.
EVERY aspect of our lives is out of our control.
I had no idea you would respond.
You had no idea that I would post this thread.
Yet we go on our merry way thinking that we are in control.
We are robots. We are only able to respond to what we have been directly exposed to. And we are only able to respond in a way that we have been programmed to.
If a plan or dream becomes a reality it is ONLY because of happenstance; fate.
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You always come back to we are robots but never really explain that idea. I don’t see us as robots even if free will does not exists, we were not made to perform any function we just are, so it seems the term is inapt. I also disagree anyone has really covered anything meaningful about free will in the last 2000+ years, it’s all just pretty much what I think with a load of assumptions people can’t justify either way, because no one really knows either how reality works, or how the mind works. I find your posts just based on the same assumptions the usual FREE WILL just does not EXIST alright religious adherents on this forum follow, and I find your arguments as wanting as theirs. If I shout louder that there is nothing random about the universe will it make it true! No, it will make you seemingly out of whack with science which would beg to differ, there is no area of science now that can function with causal systems alone, and as time goes by people are finding more and more systems that seem to defy a causal basis. I am not a believer in free will I am ambivalent I just tend to argue with people who are sure either way, but until you explain why science is finding that only systems that are random truly tend to reflect reality, you might as well just shout louder or type in a different font for all anyone will care, join the Luddite meme that is the philosophy everything is causal fashion, it’s about as reflective of science or research now as it was 100 years ago.
Not that the anti causal team have a solid case to prove random truly exists either, they just tend to be less vocal than the other side atm.
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Thank you for your intelligent & philosophical response. I think it is accurately reflective.
I just checked & rechecked this entire thread. I was unable to find a place where I used the words, FREE WILL.
…matter of fact, just for fun, I checked my entire 1,000+ posts here and I have NEVER used the two words, FREE WILL.
My original post is deceptively simple. Please take the time to re-read this -
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[size=124]In short, you reacted to my post in the ONLY way you could. Matter of fact, you react to this entire multidimensional reality in the ONLY way you can.
You don’t know what will happen next. I guarantee you will react to your continually changing environment in the ONLY WAY YOU CAN.[/size]
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Yes and you answered nothing at all, and just proceeded to wax lyrical about things you hadn’t justified. Let me know how well that works out for you or how many people you have ever convinced by such means. I can make a rough guess that it is not one person ever and never will you. But hey it’s your time, you waste it how you want. 
Well if we have free will we are not bound by fate if we don’t we are (so it matters when you throw around words like fate and robot, cause fate doesn’t exist for people if free will does), let me know how I can make it any more simple for you. Dude you are talking about free will, the fact you don’t think you are is neither here or there, clearly you don’t really understand the argument you are making which is fine, but then stop making it and go learn something about your argument that makes some sense.
Frankly this guy wants to know why you never use rational argument, how’s them two words you never deal in for ya? 
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I’m not here to convince anyone of anything.
I am an individual and what I reflect here are my thoughts and feelings.
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Good because you are not making any sense at all, which is ok, but one has to ask if just posting nonsense is really what you want to be doing here?
I am fine with it if that’s all you want but you may run afoul of one or two rules unless you post in forums that don’t require at least some logical foundation.
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Not sure you are receiving the essence of this, quite philosophical, thread.
Your ENTIRE Life is One Complete Accident. The fact that you are unaware of this concept; this understanding, does not mean you are not philosophically inclined or tenured. You are just in a different spot.
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I don’t understand anything you just said, it does not relate to anything I said, so I must conclude that the only robot here is you. All your threads seem to be you stating a fact that when challenged you cannot justify in any way given credible argument against, so the only thing I can conclude is you are the only one here whose life is mere happenstance, and in so being you are the only thing that agrees with your own self reinforcing premiss.
Bill are you a robot or can you think outside of your programmed task order to make an argument that is at least vaguely human? So far you would fail the Turing test hands down on every post you ever make, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you answer three questions and three questions true…?
What is your name?
What is your quest?
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
I await your answers with interest?
Oh and one final question if you can but cross the chasm of doom to being human: what do you mean by good day, do you mean to wish me good day, or do you mean to say it is a good day whether I want it or not? Or perhaps you mean to say you feel good on this particular day, or are you simply stating this is a day to be good on?
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Yeah I think bills a bot, I always have thought so. Billbot welcome to ILP, I’m not sure what rabbit lead you down this hole to ILP or what deviant programmer is testing his wang on Chung, or his Turing on wot not, but I welcome you none the less. I suggest though being full of thought is better than being a script.
5 let a = 4, let x = code file n"EDF123"
10 let RND (code 13E54) =n
15 if posts = to posts RND code n+1
20 if posts > posts insert RND (seed) code x
30 if posts <= posts a gosub 35
35 RND (seed) data return
40 rem: make another statement
50 if posts > a posts goto 35 if < goto 10 if a = 0 return
60 End.
Not a very sophisticated bot, but a bot none the less.
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…so, you chose the time of your birth?
You chose the place of your birth?
You chose your race; your parents; your physical genetics?
We choose nothing about ourselves. Our next moment is hidden from us.
Our lives are one COMPLETE accident.
To ANYONE who is reading this…You can’t honestly tell me who will be the next person to walk through your door.
Nor do you know what they will say…
Only our individual stupidity keeps us from seeing this.
In this way…you are more of a bot than I could ever be.
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…welcome to ILP
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Accident-
1.An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm
2.Lack of intention; chance
I still don’t think you’ve really answered my previous post.
You say our language is an accident, but it was intended by our parents. You say we can’t know who walks through our door, but we can buy a surveillance camera.
There’s measures we can put in place to consistently predict the future.
‘Everything’s an accident’ is not equal to Determinism. I consider myself a determinist and agree we have no control, but I dislike that you label everything as an accident, which you still haven’t made the case for. You’ve made the case for Determinism.
Also, that’s a funny animation.
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Our intellectual function plays a trick on us.
The intellect is slow, which is a blessing and possibly a curse. A possible cures if we wish to become self-conscious. If we believe self-consciousness is the focus or goal of REAL philosophy.
I agree with this definition,
Accident-
1.An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm
2.Lack of intention; chance
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If that helps?
.If that’s true, then is our life REALLY a complete accident, - OR just the illusion of a complete accident simply because some of us are not as adept at seeing the bigger picture? 
DUDE, - You may be missing the whole point of this Picture. This girl, for instance, never expected to go to this party or Hillbilly family get-together and get bashed in the face with that shovel. Yet, causality made it happen. It’s a more difficult conclusion to comprehend than electrocution or impalement, but philosophy forums are meant to incite contemplation and thought, so consider Yourself lucky. 
I have to say, - I completely admire the novelty factor you have imposed on threads on this site. After becoming accustomed to reading large chunks of text with very rare images or other forms of media communication, it is like a breath of Fresh Air and expansive to our internet world of philosophical stimulation. Cheers to you Sir.
Dude, - Fate is simply just how your Destiny plays out. It has nothing to do with Free Will. See what I was now talking about when I was talking about seeing the Bigger picture instead of the smaller one? 
Who is to say that humans cant be robots and vice versa? Not in the physiological conception, - But in the behavioral conception.
I TOTALLY agree with you in this regard dude. Although I am Not a determinist due to not being a materialist, - as you can probably tell from my other replies.
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~ just the illusion of a complete accident simply because some of us are not as adept at seeing the bigger picture ~
Excellent, well thought-out response.
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And I thank you personally for overcoming the seemingly off-putting liberal use of Images & GIFs.
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I thank EVERYONE who viewed or participated here within this thread.
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