Your Favorite Nietzche Quote

[d0rkyd00d]

“Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and gray. Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him.” -Nietzche

So, as many others already have here (I’m a late bloomer), I’ve discovered this Nietzche fella’ everybody talks about. So far I like him, and here’s a great quotation as to why.

What’s your favorite Nietzche quote? In addition, what’s your opinion of him and his philosophies?

[Dunamis]

What concerns me is the problem of the order of rank within the species of man, in whose progress I by and large do not believe, the problem of the order of rank between human types which have always existed and always will exist (VIII 3, 15[120]).

A woman wants to be a mother; and if she does not want to be one, even if she could be, then she practically belongs in prison [Zuchthaus]—so great is usually her internal degeneration (VII 3, 34[153]).

When a woman has scholarly tendencies, there is usually something wrong with her sexuality. Barrenness in and of itself predisposes to a certain masculinity of taste (BGE 144).

Nietzsche the Idiot

[Mr_Predictable]

@Dunamis

What concerns me is the problem of the order of rank within the species of man, in whose progress I by and large do not believe, the problem of the order of rank between human types which have always existed and always will exist (VIII 3, 15[120]).

A woman wants to be a mother; and if she does not want to be one, even if she could be, then she practically belongs in prison [Zuchthaus]—so great is usually her internal degeneration (VII 3, 34[153]).

When a woman has scholarly tendencies, there is usually something wrong with her sexuality. Barrenness in and of itself predisposes to a certain masculinity of taste (BGE 144).

Nietzsche the Idiot

What is it that you disagree with Dunamis?

Is it the tone of the words or the meaning behind the words?

[Dunamis]

Is there really a difference? Nietzsche was a hysteric-degenerate-genius who played the hysteric, so as to cover his own hysteria (from himself and others), as a drunk might make an artful and elaborate show of his drunkeness, and mask the fact he was drunk. His conceptions of rank, race, class and gender were incredibly reactive and certainly not transvaluations, recapitulating the biologisms and conservativisms of his time. Sadly, Nietzsche was his own Wagner.

[Fent]

“Under peacefull conditions the war-like man sets upon himself”. Nietzsche.

[Fent]

@Dunamis

What concerns me is the problem of the order of rank within the species of man, in whose progress I by and large do not believe, the problem of the order of rank between human types which have always existed and always will exist (VIII 3, 15[120]).

A woman wants to be a mother; and if she does not want to be one, even if she could be, then she practically belongs in prison [Zuchthaus]—so great is usually her internal degeneration (VII 3, 34[153]).

When a woman has scholarly tendencies, there is usually something wrong with her sexuality. Barrenness in and of itself predisposes to a certain masculinity of taste (BGE 144).

Nietzsche the Idiot

The first quote is very relevant and comes from a concern on the mediocre state of Europe and all countries under its influence. We live in a time when ‘shopping’ can be constituted just as virtuous as the creation of a literary masterpiece. There is a definite problem with the order of rank today.

[Jakob]

Nietzsche’s soul is bared in chapter 24 of Also Sprach Zarathustra: Of The Happy Isles. To me there is no higher wisdom than this.

The figs fall from the trees, they are good and sweet; and in falling the red skins of them break. A north wind am I to ripe figs.

Thus, like figs, do these doctrines fall for you, my friends: imbibe now their juice and their sweet substance! It is autumn all around, and clear sky, and afternoon.

Lo, what fullness is around us! And out of the midst of superabundance, it is delightful to look out upon distant seas.

Once did people say God, when they looked out upon distant seas; now, however, have I taught you to say, Superman.

God is a conjecture: but I do not wish your conjecturing to reach beyond your creating will.

Could ye create a God?- Then, I pray you, be silent about all gods! But ye could well create the Superman.

Not perhaps ye yourselves, my brethren! But into fathers and forefathers of the Superman could ye transform yourselves: and let that be your best creating!God is a conjecture: but I should like your conjecturing restricted to the conceivable.

Could ye conceive a God?- But let this mean Will to Truth unto you, that everything be transformed into the humanly conceivable, the humanly visible, the humanly sensible! Your own discernment shall ye follow out to the end!

And what ye have called the world shall but be created by you: your reason, your likeness, your will, your love, shall it itself become! And verily, for your bliss, ye discerning ones!

And how would ye endure life without that hope, ye discerning ones? Neither in the inconceivable could ye have been born, nor in the irrational.

But that I may reveal my heart entirely unto you, my friends: if there were gods, how could I endure it to be no God! Therefore there are no gods.

[Dunamis]

@Fent

We live in a time when ‘shopping’ can be constituted just as virtuous as the creation of a literary masterpiece. There is a definite problem with the order of rank today.

No doubt as one of the “higher types” you imagine that your posts here are somehow more “virtuous” to the universe than shopping. Damn, how do we change society that is might coddle the “luck strokes” such as yourself and other self-appointed geniuses of “rank”.

And while we are at it, let’s get those “intellectual” women back to popping out babies, like the good ole days…but like the good new days (which are just like the good ole days, but better, newer, improveder).

[Fent]

@Dunamis

@Fent

We live in a time when ‘shopping’ can be constituted just as virtuous as the creation of a literary masterpiece. There is a definite problem with the order of rank today.

No doubt as one of the “higher types” you imagine that your posts here are somehow more “virtuous” to the universe than shopping. Damn, how do we change society that is might coddle the “luck strokes” such as yourself and other self-appointed geniuses of “rank”.

Shooting the messenger doesn’t help your argument. Try to think of this objectively.

[Dunamis]

For skepticism is the most spiritual expression of a certain complex physiological condition that in common parlance is called bad nerves or sickliness; it invariably presents itself whenever races or classes that have long been kept apart intermix significantly and suddenly…But what is prone most of all to illness and degeneracy in these mixed breeds [Mischilingen] is the will (BGE 208).

More diagnoses from the physician of society.

[Dunamis]

@Fent

Shooting the messenger doesn’t help your argument. Try to think of this objectively.

Something I learned from Nietzsche.

[Jakob]

@Dunamis

Is there really a difference? Nietzsche was a hysteric-degenerate-genius who played the hysteric, so as to cover his own hysteria (from himself and others), as a drunk might make an artful and elaborate show of his drunkeness, and mask the fact he was drunk. His conceptions of rank, race, class and gender were incredibly reactive and certainly not transvaluations, recapitulating the biologisms and conservativisms of his time. Sadly, Nietzsche was his own Wagner.

@Nietzsche

Now rageth my hammer ruthlessly against its prison. From the stone fly the fragments: what’s that to me?

You judge Nietzsche by the side-effects of his thinking. That is unfortunate. He is a great liberator of the creative will.

[Impenitent]

@Nietzsche

…If one wants an end, one must also want the means: if one wants slaves, then one is a fool if one educates them to be masters. —

TWI 10:40

-Imp

[Gobbo]

And while we are at it, let’s get those “intellectual” women back to popping out babies, like the good ole days…but like the good new days (which are just like the good ole days, but better, newer, improveder).

Nietzsche’s supposed attitude towards women, to me, reads as a type of strange inside joke. This doesn’t necessarily go against what you’ve already said about N, Dunamis, but I would weary of the women thing. I don’t ‘get’ this particular joke, but he always was a rather humorous guy.

[Dunamis]

@Jakob

You judge Nietzsche by the lesser parts of his work. That is unfortunate.

I judge him by his own standards. He was an incredibly reactive thinker, filled with the ressentiment he accuses others of, despite his claims for himself. His description of Wagner is practically a self-description. I think it a shame that you don’t take his work as a whole, and that you select the choice bits that make you feel good about yourself. This self-justifying, self-appraising nature of Nietzsche devotees is one of the most condemning aspects of his thought’s popularity.

I have a full appreciation for his impact on Western Philosophy, which is not to say that he was what they (Heidegger, etc) made of him.

[Gobbo]

filled with the ressentiment he accuses other of, despite his claims for himself. His description of Wagner is practically a self-description.

Yes, exactly.

Does this not point to a deliberate irony to anyone else?

[Dunamis]

@Old_Gobbo

Nietzsche’s supposed attitude towards women, to me, reads as a type of strange inside joke.

This is the typical explanation. The drunk playing the drunk, doesn’t make him any less drunk. The man who died a virgin (in all likelihood), has a few choice things to say about women, especially intellectual ones like Lou Salome who refused him. Was he laughing, or crying:

the one half of humanity is weak, typically sick, changeable, inconstant (VIII 3, 14[182]).

This is called ressentiment, by his own standards. It is weakness masquerading as strength.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@Dunamis

What concerns me is the problem of the order of rank within the species of man, in whose progress I by and large do not believe, the problem of the order of rank between human types which have always existed and always will exist (VIII 3, 15[120]).

A woman wants to be a mother; and if she does not want to be one, even if she could be, then she practically belongs in prison [Zuchthaus]—so great is usually her internal degeneration (VII 3, 34[153]).

When a woman has scholarly tendencies, there is usually something wrong with her sexuality. Barrenness in and of itself predisposes to a certain masculinity of taste (BGE 144).

Nietzsche the Idiot.

Dunamis, do you think that the artisticness and appeal of concept-adorment is what makes certain philosophers popular, sometimes?

My premise is that all of the greatest words throughout human history are not famous. On the contrary, the people only are attracted to what they already believe, and want. Only being receptive to that which fits into what they already are, and detesting that which is truly better than they.

[thirst4metal]

@Nietzsche in a crazy stupor

I am the lizard king!

OK, that didn’t happen…

-Thirst

[Gobbo]

He never claimed to be the overman.

Perhaps he didn’t write, but rather his life as a novel involved some writing as part of the meta-narrative.

It’s much easier to preach, sure. Part of us as his students requires knowing what to listen to… perhaps?

I agree with you to an extent… just playing devil’s advocate.