Your Favorite Serial Killers

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Now Ted doesn’t have the record, that’s for sure, but the dude had style. Let’s be honest. Nobody was as slick as Ted. I think he was the all around best, all things considered.

“You feel the last bit of breath leaving their body. You’re looking into their eyes. A person in that situation is God.”- Theodore Bundy

The interview:

James C. Dobson: It is about 2:30 in the afternoon. You are scheduled to be executed tomorrow morning at 7:00, if you don’t receive another stay. What is going through your mind? What thoughts have you had in these last few days?

Ted: I won’t kid you to say it is something I feel I’m in control of or have come to terms with. It’s a moment-by-moment thing. Sometimes I feel very tranquil and other times I don’t feel tranquil at all. What’s going through my mind right now is to use the minutes and hours I have left as fruitfully as possible. It helps to live in the moment, in the essence that we use it productively. Right now I’m feeling calm, in large part because I’m here with you.

JCD: For the record, you are guilty of killing many women and girls.

Ted: Yes, that’s true.

JCD: How did it happen? Take me back. What are the antecedents of the behavior that we’ve seen? You were raised in what you consider to be a healthy home. You were not physically, sexually or emotionally abused.

Ted: No. And that’s part of the tragedy of this whole situation. I grew up in a wonderful home with two dedicated and loving parents, as one of 5 brothers and sisters. We, as children, were the focus of my parent’s lives. We regularly attended church. My parents did not drink or smoke or gamble. There was no physical abuse or fighting in the home. I’m not saying it was “Leave it to Beaver”, but it was a fine, solid Christian home. I hope no one will try to take the easy way out of this and accuse my family of contributing to this. I know, and I’m trying to tell you as honestly as I know how, what happened.

As a young boy of 12 or 13, I encountered, outside the home, in the local grocery and drug stores, softcore pornography. Young boys explore the sideways and byways of their neighborhoods, and in our neighborhood, people would dump the garbage. From time to time, we would come across books of a harder nature - more graphic. This also included detective magazines, etc., and I want to emphasize this. The most damaging kind of pornography - and I’m talking from hard, real, personal experience - is that that involves violence and sexual violence. The wedding of those two forces - as I know only too well - brings about behavior that is too terrible to describe.

JCD: Walk me through that. What was going on in your mind at that time?

Ted: Before we go any further, it is important to me that people believe what I’m saying. I’m not blaming pornography. I’m not saying it caused me to go out and do certain things. I take full responsibility for all the things that I’ve done. That’s not the question here. The issue is how this kind of literature contributed and helped mold and shape the kinds of violent behavior.

JCD: It fueled your fantasies.

Ted: In the beginning, it fuels this kind of thought process. Then, at a certain time, it is instrumental in crystallizing it, making it into something that is almost a separate entity inside.

JCD: You had gone about as far as you could go in your own fantasy life, with printed material, photos, videos, etc., and then there was the urge to take that step over to a physical event.

I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself.

Ted: Once you become addicted to it, and I look at this as a kind of addiction, you look for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something which is harder and gives you a greater sense of excitement, until you reach the point where the pornography only goes so far - that jumping off point where you begin to think maybe actually doing it will give you that which is just beyond reading about it and looking at it.

JCD: How long did you stay at that point before you actually assaulted someone?

Ted: A couple of years. I was dealing with very strong inhibitions against criminal and violent behavior. That had been conditioned and bred into me from my neighborhood, environment, church, and schools.

I knew it was wrong to think about it, and certainly, to do it was wrong. I was on the edge, and the last vestiges of restraint were being tested constantly, and assailed through the kind of fantasy life that was fueled, largely, by pornography.

JCD: Do you remember what pushed you over that edge? Do you remember the decision to “go for it”? Do you remember where you decided to throw caution to the wind?

Ted: It’s a very difficult thing to describe - the sensation of reaching that point where I knew I couldn’t control it anymore. The barriers I had learned as a child were not enough to hold me back from seeking out and harming somebody.

JCD: Would it be accurate to call that a sexual frenzy?

Ted: That’s one way to describe it - a compulsion, a building up of this destructive energy. Another fact I haven’t mentioned is the use of alcohol. In conjunction with my exposure to pornography, alcohol reduced my inhibitions and pornography eroded them further.

JCD: After you committed your first murder, what was the emotional effect? What happened in the days after that?

Ted: Even all these years later, it is difficult to talk about. Reliving it through talking about it is difficult to say the least, but I want you to understand what happened. It was like coming out of some horrible trance or dream. I can only liken it to (and I don’t want to overdramatize it) being possessed by something so awful and alien, and the next morning waking up and remembering what happened and realizing that in the eyes of the law, and certainly in the eyes of God, you’re responsible. To wake up in the morning and realize what I had done with a clear mind, with all my essential moral and ethical feelings intact, absolutely horrified me.

JCD: You hadn’t known you were capable of that before?

Ted: There is no way to describe the brutal urge to do that, and once it has been satisfied, or spent, and that energy level recedes, I became myself again. Basically, I was a normal person.

There are those loose in their towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media in its various forms - particularly sexualized violence.

Ted: I wasn’t some guy hanging out in bars, or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, “I know there’s something wrong with him.” I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself. Those of us who have been so influenced by violence in the media, particularly pornographic violence, are not some kind of inherent monsters. We are your sons and husbands. We grew up in regular families. Pornography can reach in and snatch a kid out of any house today. It snatched me out of my home 20 or 30 years ago. As diligent as my parents were, and they were diligent in protecting their children, and as good a Christian home as we had, there is no protection against the kinds of influences that are loose in a society that tolerates…

JCD: Outside these walls, there are several hundred reporters that wanted to talk to you, and you asked me to come because you had something you wanted to say. You feel that hardcore pornography, and the door to it, softcore pornography, is doing untold damage to other people and causing other women to be abused and killed the way you did.

Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.

JCD: What would your life have been like without that influence?

Ted: I know it would have been far better, not just for me, but for a lot of other people - victims and families. There’s no question that it would have been a better life. I’m absolutely certain it would not have involved this kind of violence.

JCD: If I were able to ask the kind of questions that are being asked, one would be, “Are you thinking about all those victims and their families that are so wounded? Years later, their lives aren’t normal. They will never be normal. Is there remorse?”

Ted: I know people will accuse me of being self-serving, but through God’s help, I have been able to come to the point, much too late, where I can feel the hurt and the pain I am responsible for. Yes. Absolutely! During the past few days, myself and a number of investigators have been talking about unsolved cases - murders I was involved in. It’s hard to talk about all these years later, because it revives all the terrible feelings and thoughts that I have steadfastly and diligently dealt with - I think successfully. It has been reopened and I have felt the pain and the horror of that.

I hope that those who I have caused so much grief, even if they don’t believe my expression of sorrow, will believe what I’m saying now; there are those loose in their towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media in its various forms - particularly sexualized violence. What scares me is when I see what’s on cable T.V. Some of the violence in the movies that come into homes today is stuff they wouldn’t show in X-rated adult theatres 30 years ago.

JCD: The slasher movies?

Ted: That is the most graphic violence on screen, especially when children are unattended or unaware that they could be a Ted Bundy; that they could have a predisposition to that kind of behavior.

JCD: One of the final murders you committed was 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. I think the public outcry is greater there because an innocent child was taken from a playground. What did you feel after that? Were they the normal emotions after that?

Ted: I can’t really talk about that right now. It’s too painful. I would like to be able to convey to you what that experience is like, but I won’t be able to talk about that. I can’t begin to understand the pain that the parents of these children and young women that I have harmed feel. And I can’t restore much to them, if anything. I won’t pretend to, and I don’t even expect them to forgive me. I’m not asking for it. That kind of forgiveness is of God; if they have it, they have it, and if they don’t, maybe they’ll find it someday.

JCD: Do you deserve the punishment the state has inflicted upon you?

Ted: That’s a very good question. I don’t want to die; I won’t kid you. I deserve, certainly, the most extreme punishment society has. And I think society deserves to be protected from me and from others like me. That’s for sure. What I hope will come of our discussion is that I think society deserves to be protected from itself. As we have been talking, there are forces at loose in this country, especially this kind of violent pornography, where, on one hand, well-meaning people will condemn the behavior of a Ted Bundy while they’re walking past a magazine rack full of the very kinds of things that send young kids down the road to being Ted Bundys. That’s the irony.

I’m talking about going beyond retribution, which is what people want with me. There is no way in the world that killing me is going to restore those beautiful children to their parents and correct and soothe the pain. But there are lots of other kids playing in streets around the country today who are going to be dead tomorrow, and the next day, because other young people are reading and seeing the kinds of things that are available in the media today.

JCD: There is tremendous cynicism about you on the outside, I suppose, for good reason. I’m not sure there’s anything you could say that people would believe, yet you told me (and I have heard this through our mutual friend, John Tanner) that you have accepted the forgiveness of Jesus Christ and are a follower and believer in Him. Do you draw strength from that as you approach these final hours?

Ted: I do. I can’t say that being in the Valley of the Shadow of Death is something I’ve become all that accustomed to, and that I’m strong and nothing’s bothering me. It’s no fun. It gets kind of lonely, yet I have to remind myself that every one of us will go through this someday in one way or another.

JCD: It’s appointed unto man.

Ted: Countless millions who have walked this earth before us have gone through this, so this is just an experience we all share.

Ted Bundy was executed at 7:15 am the day after this conversation was recorded.

“Sexualized violence”—Snuff.

What a read, De’trop.

We are impressionable beings, I would be surprised if T. Bundy said otherwise. We continue to believe we are in control of our desires, our tendencies, our inclinations. We should stop fooling ourselves. I think it is time to wake up.

I think a strong case can be made against legalized pornography as well as violent film, when considering the influences. Ted wasn’t the typical “psychopath” in the sense that he exhibited no signs of insanity or physiological damage to the brain, and wasn’t exposed to hostility as a child, whether in the family or with strangers. His case was the perfect scenario of being “conditioned” by a society inadvertantly.

I bring this up to bolster my argument against Capitalism, what I feel is essentially to blame for such conditioning. Of course this is not to say that pornography and violent film makes everyone a serial killer, or that a communist/socialist setting wouldn’t produce serial killers as well. However, the question becomes one of ‘risks’ and what such freedoms can result in.

I would be inclined to support a total censorship of both pornography and violent film if not raise the bar a bit on its accessibility, at the least.

When one realizes that 90% of serial killers are inspired by pornography, one might be willing to sacrifice it completely, even for otherwise normal consumers, because of these exceptions and their terrible results.

If you asked the average Joe to give up his rights to view pornography if it meant that making porn illegal would eliminate a major condition in the evolution of serial killers, I’d think he’d go for it.

Other than that, porn, for its own sake, is ridiculous. People shouldn’t have to look at other naked people to find sexual gratification. It is utterly pathetic, if you ask me.

It’s scary shit knowing that there are these types of people existing in any given population. Especially when you realise that the people you love (i.e. girlfriends, wives, relatives etc.) are potential targets. It certainly worries me, but it is good to be informed that a finite risk, however negligible, exists and it enables you to be, at the very least, vigilant with respect to those who you want to protect.

detrop, you know just as well as i do that interview is pure bollocks, entirely scripted by the (then strong, but still going) lobby for equating pornography and drugs.

ridiculous bunch of idiots.

i’d take ted bundy over santorum or that ashcroft looney every day of the week and twice on sunday.

Zeno:

The interview is real. You can buy the video if you’d like. 'Course there might be dude in costume and make-up who looks like Ted, but seriously…think about it. Would they go that far?

Btw, your Transcendental Interview with Paris Hilton was wonderful.

“You take meth for a physical!?”- Zeno

“No, no, meta-physical.”- Paris

Hilarious. Keep 'em coming.

i didn’t mean fake in the sense its a guy in a costume

i ment fake in the sense, what the fuck does he have to lose ? so if they promise to talk to the parole board, why is he to disagree with anything they say ?

he killed buncha girls, you think he’s giving you the low down now ? heh…

Sure he is. I think you misunderstand his condition. The dude was at a stale-mate with himself. In another interview he said something along the lines of ‘having no regret.’ But this doesn’ t mean he wouldn’t offer an apology to the families and what-not of the victims. He wasn’t angry at anyone in a Ramierez fashion- that dude kept a sneer on his face until they fried him- he was well into the ‘cooling-off’ period customary to those ‘sane’ serial killers. So no, the ‘low-down’ is not “I’m lying and don’t believe anything I say,” at all. The stale-mate is an honest cooperative calm, but also not a promise that he wouldn’t kill again if he had the chance.

What, you think the interviewers rigged it? Why? What use is that. Some kind of message to the world- “porn and alcohol will make you kill people?”

Honestly I don’t know. Perhaps. But I certainly think that Ted was in a sort of limbo state where he was half sorry and half faking it.

Think about it. He wasn’t gettin’ outta jail, that was certain. So why give a fake testimony?

to be frank, i know little about bundy outside of some legalese bits and the most distant references in psychology papers. so, he might be in the state you say. ofcourse, if we were so god damned good at knowing precisely what mental state serial killers are in at any given times, they;d be much less of an issue. but anyway.

maybe you don’t know about the porn=drugs lobby. want me to dig up some links ?

I saw that interview when it was happening.

Also, after working in a prison for so many years I have heard countless stories just like that. It’s nothing new. However, it’s not just the porn that does it. Usually, there is a disappointment with women that has caused some disturbance. Then, they stumble on violent porn and the subject matter speaks to their own troubles. I believe that Ted had some kind of heart break regarding a girl in school that he never quite got over.

The interesting thing about criminals is that they act on their impulses while others with similar impulses do not. It’s that extra bit that counts.

Personally, I can see a big connection between capitalism and sexual violence. I think that the focus on external values rather than internal qualities (regarding men) sends some guys into a rage when they think about women. This is why the phrase “nice guys finish last” has real meaning.

Many of the poor rapist types that I have met hate women because they view them as whores that are only out for money. Of course, porn strengthens this view as the women in that industry are whores. So, the now insane male is pounded with imagery of tempting whores that they can’t ever have, thus producing even more anger.

I wonder how much of this would actually go on in a more egalitarian society.

so how would you judge this account ?
rotten.com/library/bio/crime … ted-bundy/

also, while i can follow the argument that poor males nobody wants to mate feel left out, i don’t think violence is the natural response. the natural response of animals that no females would take is to bend over for the dominant male (seriously). i blame the fucking liberals for telling all the rubble they have a right to anything above lube.

I’m not sure what you are pointing me towards in that site.

Anyway, I have heard all of that stuff before. In fact, I have encountered the “your sister is your mother” thing on two occasions. It’s all a big formula.

i blame the fucking liberals for telling all the rubble they have a right to anything above lube.

I’m sure that you meant “rabble” here, but “rubble” is far closer to what I’m talking about.

Hi

My personal favorite is the Zodiac Killer. Good reads and really odd stuff.

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There are several grey areas and innumerable combinations of psychological and physiological factors involved. Everyone knows this. My contention is that while understanding the internal elements- the hormone levels, the irregular brain development- as complicated as they are, the external elements are more easily understood. In this sense I think we can do a bit of fixing by modifying the environment rather than focusing on the medical aspects.

Yes, and the two make a terrible combination. This gets very interesting. The only thing that could convince an otherwise normal man, who has had unsuccessful relationships with women, to seek out a revenge against women would be the exposure to a simulation of such- snuff- and he would then rationalize that such action is permitable, even though in porn it is fantasy rather than reality. The line is crossed here and it is supported by yet another rationalization:

“How would God allow for the porn industry to include such things. He wouldn’t. Therefore there is no God. Therefore I can kill without any consequences.”

Is probably a very common thought process of to-be serial killers.

Here, two elements, both of which should not exist, cause the incursion. Porn and religion. Get rid of them both and you’ve eliminated one of the common factors involved in the making of sexual predators.

Remember, a serial killer who is not obviously ‘insane,’ as far as observable metal degradation is concerned, could only reach that conclusion after some degree of rationalization. He is intelligent enough to think with clarity, and he will inevitably end up, in his conclusion, at a point where he obfuscates morality via the seemingly contradictory evidence between God and Pornography. I guarantee that a serial killer who personally believes in God can rationally become an atheist through such reasoning. The solution: get rid of religion.

I couldn’t agree more. You hit the nail on the head, Adlerian. One needs only to crunch the big numbers to see that a Capitalist society produces the largest amount of serial killers. There’s got to be something to that. It must start at the personal relationships between man and women, which eventually disintegrate into such turmoil. I believe that a social science can map these occasions with mathematical precision, although, to date, only a few have taken such efforts and pointed it out.

How many Japanese serial killers do you know? Why is it always the middle-calls white male of average looks that becomes the killer? I’ll tell you. Because Capitalism breeds these dispicable creatures by the dozen.

Bingo. Couple this theory with Satyr’s formula for the Feminization of Man and you get a frustrated white male who either becomes gay, lives a life of miserable abstinence and isolation, or a vicious sex offender.

The point is that as long as the serial killer is the exception to the rule, society will continue to deal with them internally rather than changing the environment that produces such statistics, externally.

You know every time I turn on the news, like clock-work, there is some mention of another sex offender on the loose or another body turns up somewhere. Am I the only one who sees these numbers increasing? The shit is hitting the fan at a faster rate than it ever has before.

And the porn. We all look at it. The saying goes: there are only two types of people- those who masturbate and those who lie. So I look at porn now and again because I’m not a liar. But everytime I go to a web-site, some random pop-up comes up with a little kid hung upside down under a horse or some shit. That should not be legal. Furthermore, it shouldn’t even be a fucking fantasy in the first place. Humanity has some serious issues if even a few individuals find that shit entertaining.

Mark my words. Serial killers are going to be coming out of the walls in the next decade or so. This goddamn liberal capitalism and its “freedom” bullshit is making these fuckers every day.

You are an externalist and it’s a good thing too. I myself believe that the key to understanding the internal lies in understanding the external world. The GIGO–garbage in garbage out.

Citing porn as a major contributor to serial-killing is like citing car manuals as major contributors to drive-by shootings…

In the words of the Bard:

“It can’t be that simple innit…”

[size=75][Hi Arendt - long time no see - when did you pop out of the woodwork…? Signed: Ex-deadguy][/size]

I don’t think that auto repair manual show you how to do the shooting.

Porn can actually show how in detail to torture or rape someone. I see what you are saying, but perhaps you are being too glib about a fairly important topic. Maybe I’m exaggerating though.

okies, make it car driving manuals for car crashes

Okay, yes, a bit glib. It was too good a soundbyte to miss.

However:

Porn=>Serial killer
Everyone looks at porn=>Everyone is a serial killer.

Which of the above is not true…?

I look at porn, I whack off to it. Usually when the wife’s not around, sometimes when she is, and sometimes we both whack off together. I haven’t killed anyone yet. Yes, violent porn is available, ?simulated? snuff is available. But does everyone track it down…? If they do out of curiousity, after going hmm… Getting a bit aroused and then thinking, well - this is kinda bad, and feeling a bit guilty - do they instantly get hooked on it and start planning to kidnap the local check-out girl…? No. Well at least 99.9999% of the time anyway.

Everything contributes to everything. Saying “this is the whole of the thing” is silly.

Ted Bundy was a nutter, pure and simple. A functional nutter, a nutter who could probably feel bad. Yes, the porn helped, yes the booze helped, yes that cow who dumped him when he was 15 helped, yes - his whole life helped, and his genetic quirks too.

What we gonna do…? Ban booze…? Ban 15 year old girls with cute pigtails…? Ban DNA…? Ban life…?

Scapegoats… We’ll end up making life so bland that everyone will become serial-killers just to liven things up.