Zionist Revisionism that Israel has always been there

I’ve posted this elsewhere but l see it keeps coming up and is worthy of rebuttal:

The whole land-religion thing is vain.

Palestine does not need to have been known as Palestine for the Palestinians to have a right to exist there.

Whatever it was called in the past (and it was called Palestine for a very, very long tinme), the people are pretty much unchanged, they are a mix of:

Canaanites
Greek Sea People
Hebrews
Egyptians
Today even some north European elements seem to be in the Palestinian gene pool, possibly via Crusaders going native as Christians, then staying Christian as well as some converting to Islam.

It is a flagrant lie to say the Arabs invaded and displaced all the people living there. Arabic became a linguistic division on the command of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), he said that from now on, whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab. So, the Arabs of the Levant are the same people that always lived there, but they changed their language to Arabic, and that includes the Christians, many of whom are the original Nazarenes.

The Hebrews migrated there from the marsh region near Basra in southern Iraq. The Hebrew language is from that region. The modern Hebrew alphabet seems to be a Western neo-Aramaic script, which some Muslim villages still use in western Syria, but most abandoned it to disassociate from Israeli settlers. So, the Israelites actually migrated to the land as their own Bible states and wrote in the script of their hosts, which changed as their hosts changed. Hebrew has also been written in Arabic script before, and vice-versa.

When Islam arrived, the companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Omar ibn al Khattab (Allah be pleased with him), allowed the Jews to re-settle the Holy Land, including Jerusalem, after they had been banned for centuries by Christians. In truth, Islam saved Judaism by bringing it into the vernacular again, whereas prior to that it has split into western and eastern branches that had lost relevance and were rapidly dwindling away. Open the Qur’an at any point and you’ll likely find something about Moses, peace be upon him - or other Israelite prophets.

Over the ensuing centuries there was mass conversion among Christians, Jews, Sabians (l think these were Mandaeans, Johannites, John or Yahya, peace be upon him, having been a prophet in his own right - Saba’ in Arabic means l think, swim or float, as the Baptists practiced) to Islam.

Then the Crusades happened, they butchered eastern Christians and Muslims and ate Muslim babies (literally) and burned Jews alive.

Then the Muslims reconquered the area and after a long peace, the Ottomans took over but lost control as their empire broke up under massive attack from multiple competing European empires.

After accepting mass migration of Jewish refugees from the fall of Muslim Spain and then centuries later, European Jews from the 19th-early 20th century pogroms, the Ottomans sold Theodor Herzl and the Zionists lots of land in Palestine.

Here is a quote from the Daily Sabah, a Turkish newspaper:

Things getting out of control

The Young Turks, who dethroned Sultan Abdülhamid II and seized power, first nationalized the treasury lands belonging to the sultan. To please the Zionists who supported them, they allowed Jewish immigration to Palestine.

Even though they realized the gravity of the incident immediately after and banned the sale of land to foreigners in Palestine, things were already out of control. Between 1908 and 1914, the Jews bought 50,000 acres of land and established 10 colonies. In 1913, the Rothschilds bought the treasury lands.

According to the Ottoman censuses, the number of Jewish people living in Palestine was 9,500 in 1881, 12,500 in 1896, 14,200 in 1906 and 31,000 in 1914. In 1917, the Zionists came to an agreement with the British foreign minister, Arthur Balfour. Britain, which was greedy for Jewish capital, promised the Jews a homeland in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration. When the Syrian front collapsed, Palestine was occupied by British forces.

A grave mistake!

During the British Mandate of Palestine, Jewish immigration increased steadily despite obstacles. Nazi repression also fueled this migration. The Jews in Palestine could now own land as they pleased, by restoring unclaimed land but also by purchasing it from the government or individuals.

The Arabs were forced to sell their lands after being put in a difficult situation economically. For example, ships loaded with wheat that docked at the port at harvest time caused the price of wheat to fall. When this incident happened again the following year, the peasant, who mortgaged his land the year before, was then forced to sell his land.

During the Ottoman period, the villagers used tactics in order to pay lower taxes, such as registering the land under another person’s name or providing an underestimation of the area. These lands also passed into the hands of the Jews through purchase. By 1948, more than half of the Palestinian population was Jewish and more than half of the land belonged to them.

Jewish gangs compelled the British to evacuate the district with their terrorist acts. Deceived Britain declared in 1939 that the Balfour Declaration had been a grave mistake.

Despite formally discouring the excessive Jewish migration into Palestine that was displacing the locals, the Ottomans also helped Jews escape the WW2 Holocaust and some even perished trying to ferry Jewish refugees across the Black Sea into the Ottoman Empire

TO CONTINUE:

Then radical Zionist gangs took over after the temporary British Mandate of WW2 Palestine and seized a much larger area and created modern Israel. Even at the time, many Orthodox Jews sought a miitary alliance with Palestinian Arabs and sought to live as citizens of a Palestinian state as they rejected Israel without the Messiah (the Messiah being Jesus, the same in Islam as in Christianity). Sadly those Orthodox Jews were attacked by the atheist Zionists and today they have become the foremost Zionists, and in fact Zionism has now become a full on religious movement.

Here’s an interesting tract from Wikipedia about the pro-Arab aspirations of the Jews from the Old Group (the Old Yishub):

Within Palestine itself, the local Ashkenazi Haredi community of the Old Yishuv was opposed to Zionism.[23] As Zionist settlement was underway during the 19th and 20th centuries, they were alarmed by the influx of predominantly non-religious Jews who wished to establish a secular state in the Holy Land[24] and threatened the peaceful relations the Orthodox community had enjoyed with their Arab neighbors until this point.[25] The chief rabbi of the Ashkenazi community in Jerusalem, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, often referred to the Zionists as “evil men and ruffians” and claimed that “Hell had entered the Land of Israel with Herzl.”[26] Sonnenfeld did not want the Orthodox Jewish community to become subject to secular Zionist authority.[27] The spokesman for the anti-Zionist Ashkenazi community in Jerusalem, Dr Jacob Israël de Haan, endeavoured to form an alliance with the Arab nationalist leadership and hoped to reach an agreement that would allow unrestricted Jewish settlement in Arab lands in return for the relinquishment of Jewish political aspirations. In June 1924, de Haan was assassinated by the Haganah after having conveyed his proposals to King Hussein and his sons, Faisal and Abdullah.[28]

Sad to see so many lies about Palestine, making out that Israel always existed there and the Palestinian Arabs just appeared as aliens in the land ex nihilo.

The Palestinians of today ARE THE ORIGINAL CANAANITES, GREEKS, HEBREWS & EGYPTIANS that ALWAYS lived there. They just converted with Islam and Christianity and changed language to the lingua franca: Arabic, and thus according to Islam, are all classed as Arabs.

It’s all racist bollox though really.
It’s ridiculous using this sort of argument.
So yeah there used to be a nation under the yoke of Rome at the time of Hadrian called “israel” and another called “Judea”. But by the same token and far mroe recently there were many nations of North America long before white people stole the land, and the same can be said for Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia … ad infinitem.
If American support Zionism on these grounds then it better do more for its Native peoples. It won’t.
And so American Zionism is hypocrisy.
The fac remains that only 100 years ago there were 2% Jews in Palestine, and when the British took the region from the Ottomans, they decided to solve their own “jewish problem”.
Whilst trying to negotiate a settlement with Arab states for the end of their mandate, Jewish TERRORISTS seized Palestine from the British the day before the end of the mandate, and incarcerated 100s thousands of people, turfing them our of their homes. Soon they were equipped with second hand WW2 ordinance from th USA such a Pershing Tanks.
Gaza was founded as a massive concentration camp, and for 80 years Isreal has flounted UN resolutions and abused human rights.
They have literally incarcerated thousands of men women and children without charge and withour cause.
Right now day by day in the West Banks people are being thrown out of their farms and homes and replaced by imported indolent New Yorkers.

Explanation of OP: I forgot to explain: the Hebrew language is very eastern Near-East, quite close to Persian and even Indian languages. I only consider it to be accidentally west Syrian i.e. by absorbing some Aramaic words from the millennia the Hebrews lived there.

The language clearly is eastern leaning though and this tallies with their own ethnohistory, as having migrated from South Iraq (the marshlands, near Basra). In fact, the name “Hebrew” could reflect this, Ha = Of, and Para (Indian word, but it is a root in many other langauges too) = River. They are the people of the Marshes, the River People etc. Just a theory - l don’t like to make forceful conclusions on the tenuous. However the overarching impression l get is that there are similarities with eastern languages.

The alphabet is clearly neo-Aramaic and is still used today by some Muslim villages e.g. Malouli alphabet. So we have a language from near Persia, grafted onto West Syria, taking on a West Syrian alphabet. Sure, they find Hebrew artefacts all over Israel, but so what?

The Hebrews that stayed and those that lived in the wider Near East, mostly became Christian and Muslim. They never left. They are a major part of the Palestinian ethnos today.

And in any case so what if somebody lived somewhere, supposedly, perhaps, maybe once, or twice, and somebodt dug up something about them that said something? There’s no excuse to mass muder.