détrop wrote:How do you do this, Sauwelios? Are you free-typing these quotes or do you have a collection that you draw from on disk?
Is there anything you don't have a quote for?
Walk with me for a while and ask me questions, lad. Seek in me answers, knowledge, and wisdom, that you cannot find on your hard-drive.
Sauwelios wrote: Everybody has put something different into his mouth: this proves that he said nothing, otherwise there would only be one version."
[Francesco Carotta, Was Jesus Caesar?]
Dunamis wrote:Sauwelios wrote: Everybody has put something different into his mouth: this proves that he said nothing, otherwise there would only be one version."
[Francesco Carotta, Was Jesus Caesar?]
This is idiocy, which is what happens I suppose when quote collection becomes a hobby. First off, the words in question are not even originally Jesus' own, but rather a quotation of the first verse of psalm 22. Secondly, discrepency proves nothing at all. (And certainly "all scholars" do not agree). Only people who like to pile of "evidence" for a position they have already concluded think, and "reason" like this. There is no more or less proof of what he said, or that he was "silent", if all the gospels reported the same thing, or all different things, neither of which is the case. Amazing.
détrop wrote:Um, Dunamis, he's agreeing with you more or less about the credibility of cited sources.
Dunamis wrote:détrop wrote:Um, Dunamis, he's agreeing with you more or less about the credibility of cited sources.
If he is agreeing with me that the quote is worthless. Then I wonder about the desire to search it out and then post it.
Dunamis wrote:And unless I read Jakob's post incorrectly, your point is meaningless to the Original Post, which seems to be operating under the auspices of Christ in historical Christianity, and not the epistemic foundations of what some guy actually said.
And as I suspect, someone who goes around quoting admittedly specious arguments on behalf of his own belief, regardless of the quality of those arguments, should perhaps be more worried about the foundations for his own position, (never mind factuality of what I quote, its the spirit that matters), rather than the accuracy of the gospels.
There indeed are "famous last words" of Jesus, just as much as there is a "sermon on the mount". They were recorded by Mark and Matthew, and have historically operated as such for two thousand years. They are central to the contemporary constuction and historical understanding of Christ.
Dunamis wrote:The day you pigeon hole me, will be your self-deluding day. What I am is an anti-bullshiter. I strip away what is fraudulent, like your pretty little quote which masquerades as either scholarship or even reasoning. That you quoted as if it possessed some kind of "authority" was I would say rather symptomatic of your means and your thinking.
Sauwelios wrote:I am somewhat relieved that you're not a Christian.
By the way, what did you think of the possible parallels between capio and nemo that I introduced?
Dunamis wrote:Sauwelios wrote:I am somewhat relieved that you're not a Christian.
I have never said that I wasn't a Christian. But your desire to locate me in your memorized discourses is perhaps more a revelation of the nature of your "Nietzschean" power than such a location would say of me.By the way, what did you think of the possible parallels between capio and nemo that I introduced?
I take nomos back to territorializations, land-rights and even nomadic beginnings, hence the double meaning of the word by accent. I see no inherent "taking" in division, but that is because unlike Niezschean mythologizers of the Universe, I do not see everything as a Master/Slave, dominated/dominator dichotomy.
Sauwelios wrote:Well, let me suppose, then, that you are a Christian. That would explain something about your invective against Nietzsche, wouldn't it?
Dunamis wrote:Sauwelios wrote:Well, let me suppose, then, that you are a Christian. That would explain something about your invective against Nietzsche, wouldn't it?
Sure. As long as you are fantasizing about your world, you can suppose that I am a Jew, a Woman and a Black. That would "explain" a lot for you as well.
SilentSoliloquy wrote:Holy mackerel.
Dunamis is a black Jewish/Christian Nietzsche hatin' movie actress toned woman. Saully, don't tell me the insults press any deeper.
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