spivey wrote:Death is the biggest contribution we give to the planet that supports us. We give our bodies to be decomposed and used to grow other things. A miniscule contribution in comparison to all we get from Earth.
iambiguous wrote:
Jim Morrison:
People fear death even more than pain. It's strange that they fear death. Life hurts a lot more than death. At the point of death, the pain is over. Yeah, I guess it is a friend.
turtle wrote:good topic. the next thing would be ---what do we do in the meantime.
atoms are atoms. consciousness will go with the brain.
arcturus rising wrote:turtle wrote:good topic. the next thing would be ---what do we do in the meantime.
atoms are atoms. consciousness will go with the brain.
Well, if we truly have the consciousness which goes with or extends out from the brain and mind, we also have the awareness to live our lives in such a way that death DOES NOT REALLY MATTER. But then again, death WOULD matter if we could recognize it as a force which compels us to live our life in a significant way, seeing as much meaning and rarity within our lives as we can, along with the suffering (death) other side of that coin.
That is where MATTER (brain) really meets and harmonizes with consciousness (awareness).
iambiguous wrote:One day you will die. You will become nothing at all for eternty.
And that, for many, is when the emotional and psychological defense mechanisms kick in. They pursue them in order to obviate the emotional and psychological states engendered when thinking about being nothing at all forever.
Among them:
terror
horror
anguish
despair
Or, perhaps, science will tap some on the shoulder and say, "wait a minute, matter can neither be created nor destroyed; it merely changes forms."
In other words, we are assured, "we do not become nothing at at. Instead, we merely go back to being atomic and sub-atomic particles."
And some will then try to hyperpolize this as the noble sojourn back to "star stuff".
Below, however, are just some of the things that, as far as I know, "star stuff" can never again know or experience:
the love of children, family, friends
the taste of food
the sound of music
the joy of accomplishment
the rush of creativity
the exhilaration of orgasm
the fulfillment of art, film, theatre, dance
But, sure, some folks are still able to delude themselves into believing death is not nothing at all. Why? Because it is not actually zero.
On the contrary, the most deluded insist, it is actually God.
And to that I say this: Would that I could be one of them...
Lucis Trust wrote:Could consciousness be a thing in itself?
Does consciousness make the atoms or atoms the consciousness?
so we are going to live our lives so that death does not really matter. the only way that happens is to take drugs.
Archangel wrote:Eternity ahead, eternity behind - in between lies life, a fraction of eternity that wants to BE eternal. It can never be that, because there is no eternity, just as the Universe we live in has a begining, it has an end, along with everything in it. -As i see it, people think about death in two (2) situations: in grave danger and in times when they have too much spare time. -If they have too much spare time, it simply means that they are not living at FULL capacity, and every such a time life is wasted. -Live your life as much as possible, seize the day - death will come by itself but life won't, it needs to be invoked.
statiktech wrote:How do you claim to know anything about "star stuff"?
statiktech wrote:...zero what?
statiktech wrote:I'm not sure I've met anyone who actually believed death is God. In fact, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.
iambiguous wrote:I only know what the hard guys tell me on the Science Channel. All of the heavier elements that compose you and I exist only as a result of super nova explosions.
The death of stars somehow begets life. I wonder how that happens?
Well, there are some who believe anything is everything else. It is all supposedly a manifestation of the one reality that is seamlessly intertwined into some sort of, uh, transcendental Spinozan contraption.
Hell, I'd settle even for believing in that.
turtle wrote:so we are going to live our lives so that death does not really matter. the only way that happens is to take drugs. we do not handle death well. we need to concentrate on how to treat each other better in a life that sucks. as long as we all have to suffer, lets have a big group hug.arcturus rising wrote:turtle wrote:good topic. the next thing would be ---what do we do in the meantime.
atoms are atoms. consciousness will go with the brain.
Well, if we truly have the consciousness which goes with or extends out from the brain and mind, we also have the awareness to live our lives in such a way that death DOES NOT REALLY MATTER. But then again, death WOULD matter if we could recognize it as a force which compels us to live our life in a significant way, seeing as much meaning and rarity within our lives as we can, along with the suffering (death) other side of that coin.
That is where MATTER (brain) really meets and harmonizes with consciousness (awareness).
turtle wrote:for me life sucks 99%. my psychoanalyst says i am depressed. do you have serious doubts about heaven.
turtle wrote:do you think my psychoanalyst is right. you see my thoughts. am i depressed.
turtle wrote:we need to concentrate on how to treat each other better in a life that sucks.
turtle wrote:anon thanks. can you write more about that fufillment through avoidance thing.
i am depressed. my psychoanalyst is right. what i see in the world makes me sad. i think it is terrible out there. and the delusions we continue to hold on to sometimes causes so much trouble.
Ajahn Chah wrote:You see this goblet? For me, this glass is already broken. I enjoy it; I drink out of it. It holds my water admirably, sometimes even reflecting the sun in beautiful patterns. If I should tap it, it has a lovely ring to it. But when I put this glass on a shelf and the wind knocks it over or my elbow brushes it off the table and it falls to the ground and shatters, I say, ‘Of course.’ But when I understand that this glass is already broken, every moment with it is precious.
Elisha Goldstein wrote:The question isn’t, is your glass half full or half empty? The question is, are you able to see the glass as already broken?
A good way of accomplishing that is to start treating YOURSELF better. The world isn't ugly in itself, just the image of the world can be ugly (or beautifull) - so change the image! Be fatalistic! -Only when you accept the good and the bad in the world as ONE will you aquire the power to seize control over your life and ENJOY in it...turtle wrote:we need to concentrate on how to treat each other better in a life that sucks.
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