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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:36 pm

Maybe some of the said relevant events will happen at about the same time, so that the most people will not notice each event.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:15 pm

For example the collapse of the Keynesianistic/Neo-Keynesianistic system [„fiat“ money system], a disaster as a consequence of the global war, a natural disaster, the take-over of the machines.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby nano-bug » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:24 am

The ironic outcome could be that finally humanity will have a common enemy that unites us in a way that being at the top of the food chain didn't. Some of the violent arrogance towards each other would disappear.

Let's face it, no father wants to die before he can witness his daughter's wedding. But it happens.
There is no universal requirement for humanity to live on, or colonize space. In terms of universal energy, nothing is lost.

People believe a machine take over is inevitable. That belief wills itself. Nobody took the book 1984 as a warning. They took it as prophecy. Progressing faster in order to make it happen. Simply because we can. And because, in the image of God, we create. And because those who don't believe in the afterlife, to use a Uni-bomber expression, "cool-headed" logicians want to take the place of a God.

Legacy. Children. And just who will tell our story? It amounts to the same thing.

Maybe God wants an equal, a mate. And maybe we will give him the AI version of one.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:38 pm

nano-bug wrote:The ironic outcome could be that finally humanity will have a common enemy that unites us in a way that being at the top of the food chain didn't. Some of the violent arrogance towards each other would disappear.

Let's face it, no father wants to die before he can witness his daughter's wedding. But it happens.
There is no universal requirement for humanity to live on, or colonize space. In terms of universal energy, nothing is lost.

People believe a machine take over is inevitable. That belief wills itself. Nobody took the book 1984 as a warning. They took it as prophecy. Progressing faster in order to make it happen. Simply because we can. And because, in the image of God, we create. And because those who don't believe in the afterlife, to use a Uni-bomber expression, "cool-headed" logicians want to take the place of a God.

Legacy. Children. And just who will tell our story? It amounts to the same thing.

Maybe God wants an equal, a mate. And maybe we will give him the AI version of one.



You assume humanity will survive the singularity. That's a huge assumption.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:12 am

nano-bug wrote:The ironic outcome could be that finally humanity will have a common enemy that unites us in a way that being at the top of the food chain didn't. Some of the violent arrogance towards each other would disappear.

A common enemy unites the people.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby nano-bug » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:30 am

HaHaHa wrote:
nano-bug wrote:The ironic outcome could be that finally humanity will have a common enemy that unites us in a way that being at the top of the food chain didn't. Some of the violent arrogance towards each other would disappear.

Let's face it, no father wants to die before he can witness his daughter's wedding. But it happens.
There is no universal requirement for humanity to live on, or colonize space. In terms of universal energy, nothing is lost.

People believe a machine take over is inevitable. That belief wills itself. Nobody took the book 1984 as a warning. They took it as prophecy. Progressing faster in order to make it happen. Simply because we can. And because, in the image of God, we create. And because those who don't believe in the afterlife, to use a Uni-bomber expression, "cool-headed" logicians want to take the place of a God.

Legacy. Children. And just who will tell our story? It amounts to the same thing.

Maybe God wants an equal, a mate. And maybe we will give him the AI version of one.



You assume humanity will survive the singularity. That's a huge assumption.


I didn't assume that. I said it doesn't matter if we do or not.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:32 am

Soon it will be possible to carry the zygote, the embryo, and the fetus in an extrauterine way. Then we will have totally arrived at the point of the more insecure, the more primitve reproduction again. We will no longer need any intrauterine thing then.

The natural womb as the realization of the the natural idea to lay the egg into the inside of the body will have become obsolete. There will be no natural birth any longer, since the natural uterus will not be needed any longer. Humans will not be needed any longer - their natural reproduction will be replaced by genetic engineering and artificial "wombs", their economical production will be replaced by machines and perhaps by artificial humans (cyborgs) .... So humans will either become artificial humans or die out.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:23 pm

Philosophically said, the Marxistic communism, which is based on Hegel's dialectic, says that the capitalism is the thesis, the dictatorship of the proletariat is the antithesis, and classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis. But if is right that history is class struggle (war), then it is not - or at least only without history - possible to get a classless equality and equal happiness for all. Okay, Hegel already claimed the end of history, also Marx who was a Left-Hegelian, and many others (mostly Hegelians, some Nietzscheans, some others). So, as long as there is history there is no classless equality and equal happiness for all, so that the classes, the inequality, thus the class struggle (war) remain.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:19 pm

Arminius wrote:Soon it will be possible to carry the zygote, the embryo, and the fetus in an extrauterine way. Then we will have totally arrived at the point of the more insecure, the more primitve reproduction again. We will no longer need any intrauterine thing then.

The natural womb as the realization of the the natural idea to lay the egg into the inside of the body will have become obsolete. There will be no natural birth any longer, since the natural uterus will not be needed any longer. Humans will not be needed any longer - their natural reproduction will be replaced by genetic engineering and artificial "wombs", their economical production will be replaced by machines and perhaps by artificial humans (cyborgs) .... So humans will either become artificial humans or die out.


I see future feminists and lesbians all across the planet cheering when reproduction no longer requires a male. When all of this takes precedence Arminius watch also all the different social or political movements going on.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:27 pm

Arminius wrote: classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis.

There is only one way to achieve that with a large number of people. And neither Hegel nor Marx knew anything of it. Perhaps the androids will do a better job with each other.

What does it take to cause an android to be happy?
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Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:32 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote: classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis.

There is only one way to achieve that with a large number of people. And neither Hegel nor Marx knew anything of it. Perhaps the androids will do a better job with each other.

What does it take to cause an android to be happy?
.. a lot more than you think.


It has been theorized that artificial intelligence concerning androids would have one huge group collective consciousness. Star Trek with the Borg illustrated this possibility real well I think.

That's what separates humans from A.I. I think. We do not think, act, or behave under one hive mind of collective consciousness.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:35 pm

HaHaHa wrote:
Arminius wrote:Soon it will be possible to carry the zygote, the embryo, and the fetus in an extrauterine way. Then we will have totally arrived at the point of the more insecure, the more primitve reproduction again. We will no longer need any intrauterine thing then.

The natural womb as the realization of the the natural idea to lay the egg into the inside of the body will have become obsolete. There will be no natural birth any longer, since the natural uterus will not be needed any longer. Humans will not be needed any longer - their natural reproduction will be replaced by genetic engineering and artificial "wombs", their economical production will be replaced by machines and perhaps by artificial humans (cyborgs) .... So humans will either become artificial humans or die out.


I see future feminists and lesbians all across the planet cheering when reproduction no longer requires a male. When all of this goes on Arminius watch also all the different social or political movements going on.

Yes. But females are also no longer required for the reproduction then. It will become more factual / practical than it is today (technically it is already possible).
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:43 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote: classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis.

There is only one way to achieve that with a large number of people.

You mean that they need to become something like a social clump (=> RM:AO). Right?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:48 pm

HaHaHa wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote: classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis.

There is only one way to achieve that with a large number of people. And neither Hegel nor Marx knew anything of it. Perhaps the androids will do a better job with each other.

What does it take to cause an android to be happy?
.. a lot more than you think.


It has been theorized that artificial intelligence concerning androids would have one huge group collective consciousness. Star Trek with the Borg illustrated this possibility real well I think.

That's what separates humans from A.I. I think. We do not think, act, or behave under one hive mind of collective consciousness.

That is a huge problem, yes. Therefore my suggestion in my last post: The machines have to become more hominid, thus android, and the humans have to become more mechanical, thus cyborgical. An even then, we will not know whether it will be successful or not.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:02 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote: classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis.

There is only one way to achieve that with a large number of people. And neither Hegel nor Marx knew anything of it. Perhaps the androids will do a better job with each other.

What does it take to cause an android to be happy?
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The machines have to become more hominid, thus android, and the humans have to become more mechanical, thus cyborgical.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:59 pm

This post was supposed to be on this thread:
James S Saint wrote:On a higher level yet concerning the same thing: Internet of Things and MEMS.

Those construct the bridge between where you are and the complete lack of human existence .. and possibly of all organic life.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:01 am

James S Saint wrote:This post was supposed to be on this thread:
James S Saint wrote:On a higher level yet concerning the same thing: Internet of Things and MEMS.

Those construct the bridge between where you are and the complete lack of human existence .. and possibly of all organic life.

Man created machines in order to rationalize and did not consider that this could mean being replaced not only economically but also biologically.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby CelineK » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:23 pm

this is pure predictive and evil programming. humans are so brainwashed with darwinism that they don't even realize that they are being led to the slaughter house. I trust that the black military budget (gobbling up trillions of taxpayers' money) is close to achieving UFOs that can take cyborgs and extreme AI away. And we should encourage that. Thats the only peaceful solution possible. cyborgs and AI are not suited for our realm. If they stay, they would only parasite our 3d reality and destroy it completely as a result. They keep masses amused with the advanced IT gadgets but thats a distraction because in this dire economic picture humans have become useless eaters.

the main problem that I see everywhere (and it is scary) is that most people project the future using the same **cavemen-like premises** that are leading us toward the precipice instead of recognizing that all current premises must be abandoned completely, that they do not serve any purpose anymore. The end of the paradigm will end with BANG if people do not wake up.

I recommend richard duncan, UK prominent transhumanist and speaking of the transhumanist agenda that regards us as cattle, at the bases conference, and warning us that only 10-15% of population will be welcome in the club. Agenda 21 is here...

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby gib » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:52 am

CelineK wrote:this is pure predictive and evil programming. humans are so brainwashed with darwinism that they don't even realize that they are being led to the slaughter house. I don't understand how Darwinism is just an artifact of brainwashing. I would think Darwinism is not only the law of the jungle, of the course life takes through evolution, but a necessity of the very existence of things. No? I trust that the black military budget (gobbling up trillions of taxpayers' money) is close to achieving UFOs that can take cyborgs and extreme AI away. I'm sorry, did I just jump into the conversation here? And we should encourage that. Thats the only peaceful solution possible. cyborgs and AI are not suited for our realm. I'll bet. If they stay, they would only parasite our 3d reality and destroy it completely as a result. Well, they'd destroy us. They keep masses amused with the advanced IT gadgets but thats a distraction because in this dire economic picture humans have become useless eaters.

the main problem that I see everywhere (and it is scary) is that most people project the future using the same **cavemen-like premises** that are leading us toward the precipice instead of recognizing that all current premises must be abandoned completely, that they do not serve any purpose anymore. The end of the paradigm will end with BANG if people do not wake up.

If I'm interpreting you correctly, you're saying we're using, in our efforts to forge ahead into the future and (hopefully) survive, an outdated and obsolete bunch of neurological circuitry. Our species is roughly 200,000 years old (or so they say), meaning that our genetic hardwiring (which determines brain structure and functioning) has been relatively fixed for about 200,000 years. But then that means we're using old hardware that was built to function in an environment that existed 200,000 years ago. Of course, we're using caveman premises. The problem is that this is hardwired--it's the whole reason species go extinct--so in what way are we supposed to "wake up"?

I recommend richard duncan, <-- Is this my answer? UK prominent transhumanist and speaking of the transhumanist agenda that regards us as cattle, at the bases conference, and warning us that only 10-15% of population will be welcome in the club. Agenda 21 is here...


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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:43 pm

CelineK wrote:I recommend richard duncan, UK prominent transhumanist and speaking of the transhumanist agenda that regards us as cattle, at the bases conference, and warning us that only 10-15% of population will be welcome in the club. Agenda 21 is here ....

I would say: "1% of the population will be welcome".

(By Richard Duncan do you mean the author of the Olduvai theory?)
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:15 pm

We have the "hardware" of the cavemen and the "software" of the transhumans.

So what shall we do?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:59 pm

What we must do ........
The word 'must' is a giveaway. It revives the Kantian controversy whereby hundreds of years of controversy should be revisited, so that history can teach us.
The hardware will overcome the software in any case, and if we do not learn from history, all the software will merely melt away.

For instance, what is good in a run away post apolaptic world, where technology's remains will be either tun amok artificially implanted beings, replicating and adapting humanity, enslaving them in a post Bachause nightmare?

Science would not be thought anymore, because humanity may be crossbreed with animals , reminiscent of the film ,'Dr.Moreau', minus the happy Hollywood ending.

Scientists would also be incorporated into a world of mechanical intelligence, where they are no longer needed.

So a return, an Eternal return of diminishing functions of harmonic elements, based on sound rather then sight be incorporated in a new mass re evaluation of an alternate universe from the earliest get go, with the wrongly abandoned premises.

If, the programmers do this now, and not wait until they are made dispensable, then there is a chance the sheeple will follow the new line.

Other than that option, the future is bleak, and the run away brace new world will turn chicken.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:00 pm

jerkey wrote:What we must do ........
The word 'must' is a giveaway. It revives the Kantian controversy whereby hundreds of years of controversy should be revisited, so that history can teach us.
The hardware will overcome the software in any case, and if we do not learn from history, all the software will merely melt away.

Are you sure? This would mean that human beings will have to culturally start again or to die out.

jerkey wrote:For instance, what is good in a run away post apolaptic world, where technology's remains will be either tun amok artificially implanted beings, replicating and adapting humanity, enslaving them in a post Bachause nightmare?

Science would not be thought anymore, because humanity may be crossbreed with animals , reminiscent of the film ,'Dr.Moreau', minus the happy Hollywood ending.

Scientists would also be incorporated into a world of mechanical intelligence, where they are no longer needed.

So a return, an Eternal return of diminishing functions of harmonic elements, based on sound rather then sight be incorporated in a new mass re evaluation of an alternate universe from the earliest get go, with the wrongly abandoned premises.

If, the programmers do this now, and not wait until they are made dispensable, then there is a chance the sheeple will follow the new line.

Other than that option, the future is bleak, and the run away brace new world will turn chicken.

What do you recommend then?
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