Ciou,

phyllo wrote:I'm happy that have found a confident and unafraid Arminius to talk with. May he give you much credit in the future.
Ciou,
I'm happy that you have found a confident and unafraid Arminius to talk with.
I thought of that but since I had already said that I was done with him... it seems an unlikely explanation.Ever heard the phrase, "Freudian slip"?![]()
I asked for the evidence which supports an assertion that he made in this thread. That's not derailing.YOU and LEV AREN'T INTERESTED in this topic so why bother with derailing it?
phyllo wrote:I don't take the thread seriously at all.
Arminius wrote:Why are you writing in this thread? You don't like this thread. So why should I "respond to your query".
phyllo wrote:Okay, I understand. For you, it's all about the poster and not the posts.
phyllo wrote:I don't take the thread seriously at all.
phyllo wrote:I won't bother interacting with you again.
phyllo wrote:You complain that I come in and leave. He complains that I'm not leaving.James S Saint wrote:Phyllo is one of our better "Zero credit snipers". He just pops in to quickly tell you that you are wrong about something (throw a stone) then darts back into the shadows, never giving credit when you are right about anything (that would require courage).
phyllo wrote:I don't take the thread seriously at all.
monad wrote:Arminius wrote:monad wrote:This thread no-longer holds any interest for me.
And why are you still writing here in this thread?
Do you know Phyllo? He has also no interest in this thread, although he is writing more and more in this thread.
Why don't you both search for another thread?
Do you know what "pharisee" means?monad wrote:Re IQ ....
I am positive on IQ testing. It is partly right that there are some flaws in the method, but the statement that intelligence is not measurable at all is wrong. The correct measurement of intelligence depends very much on the statistics and on the long-term measurement.
B.t.w.: Your "sources" are full of egalitarian(istic) rhetoric.
You and Phyllo are against the IQ because you are following the communistic mainstream. That's dangerous.IN US (the new USSR) and EU (EUSSR) "communism" and "socialism" are alraedy installed:![]()
Please search for another thread, because you both are saying that you are not interested in this thread, whilst you are writing more an more in this thread!
This is SO Stupid, so desperate (B.t.w.: Your "sources" are full of egalitarian(istic) rhetoric.) that IF you are German, I feel personally disgraced.
Arminius wrote:
I think I have hit the nail on the head! Bingo!
monad wrote:Arminius wrote:
I think I have hit the nail on the head! Bingo!
You have indeed! Please accept my advice when I say you would certainly be more intelligent if you didn't do it so often!
Tyler Durden wrote:And in their most supreme arrogance they became the very architects of their own demise.....
James S Saint wrote:Arminius,
There have been, and still are many who come to this site merely to attack people, not ideas. They have an excuse for not being able to distinguish toilet paper from nose tissue, people from ideas, maps from terrains, ontologies from realities, religion from science, or logic from speculation. It is largely associated with too much mother and not enough father along with serious neurological diseases throughout the West causing their heads to be too far up their asses to see the light, or distinguish shit from shinola.
Arminius wrote:James S Saint wrote:Arminius,
There have been, and still are many who come to this site merely to attack people, not ideas. They have an excuse for not being able to distinguish toilet paper from nose tissue, people from ideas, maps from terrains, ontologies from realities, religion from science, or logic from speculation. It is largely associated with too much mother and not enough father along with serious neurological diseases throughout the West causing their heads to be too far up their asses to see the light, or distinguish shit from shinola.
And merely attacking people is neither intelligent nor human (in a good sense).
Tyler Durden wrote:The future is a slow motion train wreck and we're just edging our way always closer to it.
Arminius wrote:Here comes the text of Jethro Tull's „Locomotive Breath“:
„In the shuffling madness // Of the locomotive breath, // Runs the all-time loser, // Headlong to his death. // He feels the piston scraping - // Steam breaking on his brow - // Old Charley stole the handle and // The train won't stop going - // No way to slow down. // He sees his children jumping off // At the stations - one by one. // His woman and his best friend - // In bed and having fun. // He's crawling down the corridor // On his hands and knees - // Old Charlie stole the handle and // The train won't stop going - // No way to slow down. // He hears the silence howling - // Catches angels as they fall. // And the all-time winner // Has got him by the balls. // He picks up Gideon's Bible - // Open at page one - // (I said) God (he) stole the handle and // The train won't stop going - // No way to slow down.“
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Arminius wrote:Train wreck .... That reminds me of this:Arminius wrote:Here comes the text of Jethro Tull's „Locomotive Breath“:
„In the shuffling madness // Of the locomotive breath, // Runs the all-time loser, // Headlong to his death. // He feels the piston scraping - // Steam breaking on his brow - // Old Charley stole the handle and // The train won't stop going - // No way to slow down. // He sees his children jumping off // At the stations - one by one. // His woman and his best friend - // In bed and having fun. // He's crawling down the corridor // On his hands and knees - // Old Charlie stole the handle and // The train won't stop going - // No way to slow down. // He hears the silence howling - // Catches angels as they fall. // And the all-time winner // Has got him by the balls. // He picks up Gideon's Bible - // Open at page one - // (I said) God (he) stole the handle and // The train won't stop going - // No way to slow down.“
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Will we be able to prevent such a future?
Tyler Durden wrote:Anybody with a sense of intelligence knows that humanity is doomed and the future is going to be horrific.
The future is a slow motion train wreck and we're just edging our way always closer to it.
Yet still people obey authority, keep working, and add their labors to a system that so desperately wants to be its architect.
A great way of observing collective insanity at its finest.
The logical thing to do would be to avoid this future thing altogether but the only problem with that is that a majority of human beings are not at all logical.
This thing we call humanity for sure is a pathetic and sad comedy. So, like all comedies all you can do is laugh and cry.
monad wrote:Tyler Durden wrote:Anybody with a sense of intelligence knows that humanity is doomed and the future is going to be horrific.
The future is a slow motion train wreck and we're just edging our way always closer to it.
Yet still people obey authority, keep working, and add their labors to a system that so desperately wants to be its architect.
A great way of observing collective insanity at its finest.
The logical thing to do would be to avoid this future thing altogether but the only problem with that is that a majority of human beings are not at all logical.
This thing we call humanity for sure is a pathetic and sad comedy. So, like all comedies all you can do is laugh and cry.
This has been my conclusion also for a lot of years and I'm definitely beyond (make that two beyonds) my prime. But you do it too much honor to call it "a pathetic and sad comedy". It seems to me more in the nature of a pathetic disgusting farce. If he screws himself out of existence or degenerates completely it cannot even be regarded as a tragedy. Farces don't end in tragedy and "machines" whether intelligent or not have nothing to do with this. It's not the machines, its the genes; the LCD genes which allows itself to be whitewashed, brainwashed and ground into total mediocrity by those who are just slightly smarter or more corrupt than they are.
Power equals leverage for anyone who has two IQ points above average; if you're ten points below you may still end up with a far better pension "for services unrendered" - which is the least collateral damage which blank stupidity may produce - than a lot of guys who scored in the genius range. We can't even score on a god or some deity who doesn't end up as some perverse SOB according to scripture...and this is the guy we want to be with forever after we served our time on planet earth?
Come to think of it, that's the most perfect ending imaginable to this demented comic opera.
Tyler Durden wrote:If all else fails hopefully the imposed physical limitations of nature will put an end to humanity's collective madness.
See global peak energy for reference on that.
Tyler Durden wrote:I think human beings are best subservient living under nature instead of trying to dominate it.
Tyler Durden wrote:No matter what happens a lot of people are going to die. It's necessary and unavoidable.
James S Saint wrote:From the perspective of a management android, humans are merely in the way, and a serious risk.
Ierrellus wrote:Others have hinted at the same thing--machines cannot be self aware in the human sense of self-awareness. This does not indicate that I see all forms of awareness as human. You are sounding like Lev.
Can machines experience free will?
James S Saint wrote:phyllo wrote:I'm happy that have found a confident and unafraid Arminius to talk with. May he give you much credit in the future.
Ciou,
Yeah, always latching onto someone else. Until you find actual confidence in yourself, you will have no value to anyone.
And don't think it will be long before Arminius tells you to go away (again).
phyllo wrote:Sorry, that was a hilarious typo. LOL
Should have read:I'm happy that you have found a confident and unafraid Arminius to talk with.
I'm not even talking to Arminius any more. ROFL
James S Saint wrote:Ever heard the phrase, "Freudian slip"?![]()
Actually I already figured that you really meant something different. I wasn't sure what, but what you said didn't fit your PROFILE at all (I hate profilers, btw).
And I'm not putting stock in Arminius agreeing or being confident enough for my taste. As you SHOULD know by now, I don't accept anything but absolute certainty backup by reasoning. Of course you DON'T know that, but let's not continue as to why.
The greater point is as Arminius pointed out;
YOU and LEV AREN'T INTERESTED in this topic so why bother with derailing it?
phyllo wrote:I thought of that but since I had already said that I was done with him... it seems an unlikely explanation.Ever heard the phrase, "Freudian slip"?
I asked for the evidence which supports an assertion that he made in this thread. That's not derailing.YOU and LEV AREN'T INTERESTED in this topic so why bother with derailing it?
Then he got all presumptuous and defensive and derailed his own thread.
Over to you OP.
Will machines completely replace all human beings?
Action!
James S Saint wrote:Perhaps think of it this way, "Would an android hire a human?"
Currently people are thinking in terms of androids doing small mundane tasks, "pick up this, move that,...." But it is only natural that such tasks become far more complex, "build a swimming pool in my yard", "repair my car", "repave my driveway".
If an android is tasked to build a house or a swimming pool, it isn't likely to do all of the labor itself, but rather utilize a team, especially if speed is an issue. So it contracts available subservient droids.
Would it dare trust any part of the labor or design details to a human? Why risk that?
"Repave the highway from Florida to Los Angeles." Hire humans???? Hell no (federal ordinance).
"Build a building in downtown Chicago." Hire humans???? Hell no (city ordinance).
The extremely wealthy don't need an android to do mundane tasks, but rather the greater more sophisticated tasks. Why would they hire humans either?
From the perspective of a management android, humans are merely in the way, and a serious risk.
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