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Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:11 am

:idea: :idea: This newly-released 14-page [if printed out on both sides] document reveals that the traditional content of Ethics courses may be derived from more-basic principles. Read about it here: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ET ... ENTURY.pdf


or, if you wish a more-concise url, go to this link: http://tinyurl.com/pm3ldpk

After you have had a chance to read it, and even to study it carefully, your views on how it can be improved and/or upgraded would be welcome! :idea: :idea: :idea:

The author of this paper has researched the field intensively for over forty-nine years. He would like to hear your impressions of the new and improved way of teaching, and talking about, Ethics.

If you like the ideas and concepts that you learn about, pass them on :!:
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:11 pm

Human ethics can be explained in 5 minutes.

Leave it to a retard to devote 49 years of his life to understand something so simple.

Human ethics explained.
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:27 pm

After watching this video, I must demand the last 5 minutes of my life back.
This is the dumbest video I have ever seen. It explains nothing, shows nothing,
and that could be forgiven if it was even vaguely entertaining but it wasn't.
It didn't say anything about ethics, just teenage crap nonsense about the world.
Morality does take years of study and I applaud anyone who attempts it because it
is quite the study as for this steaming pile of crap video, it may have set back
the human race by decades it was so bad.

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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Only_Humean » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:36 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Leave it to a retard to devote 49 years of his life to understand something so simple.


Trixie warned for offensive posting while freshly back from a day ban for exactly the same. Four day ban for third warning.
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby LaughingMan » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:41 am

Revolution?

Are people finally realizing the giant facade and delusion it is?

That it is nonexistent beyond pathetic pretend belief systems that even fails upon pretension?

If not, spare me all talks of intellectual revolution.
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Sauwelios » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:26 pm

thinkdr wrote::idea: :idea: This newly-released 14-page [if printed out on both sides] document reveals that the traditional content of Ethics courses may be derived from more-basic principles. Read about it here: http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ET ... ENTURY.pdf

or, if you wish a more-concise url, go to this link: http://tinyurl.com/pm3ldpk


Not concise enough. What, according to you/Katz, are those principles?
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:01 am

Sauwelios wrote:
thinkdr wrote::idea: if you wish a more-concise url, go to this link: http://tinyurl.com/pm3ldpk


Not concise enough. What, according to you/Katz, are those principles?


As stated, I gave you a briefer link (url).

Now, it is suggested you actually (go so far as to) read the paper.

You will find the principles exactly where the Preface says they are, namely, early in the first chapter; and then, as a free bonus, several more principles are offered in last chapter of the little booklet. Philosophers, philosophy students, and lovers of philosophy ought to be willing to read a paper ...or am I wrong about that?

It's not a Dissertation, you know. It's much shorter than that.

After all, it's not a book !

Someone who cares enough about Ethical Theory would have the curiosity to pursue it further.....


----I would add this sentence to The Principle of Inclusivity, mentioned at the bottom of p.25: Change "us and them" to "we."

By the way, although I didn't write this in the paper, I could have: An ethical person would not have fun at the expense of others, nor would he attempt to get ahead at the expense of others. As to why this is so, see the Definition of the field in this new paradigm for Ethics.

As they say in courtrooms: "Asked and answered."
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Sauwelios » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:03 am

thinkdr wrote:
Sauwelios wrote:
thinkdr wrote::idea: if you wish a more-concise url, go to this link: http://tinyurl.com/pm3ldpk


Not concise enough. What, according to you/Katz, are those principles?


As stated, I gave you a briefer link (url).

Now, it is suggested you actually (go so far as to) read the paper.

You will find the principles exactly where the Preface says they are, namely, early in the first chapter; and then, as a free bonus, several more principles are offered in last chapter of the little booklet. Philosophers, philosophy students, and lovers of philosophy ought to be willing to read a paper ...or am I wrong about that?

It's not a Dissertation, you know. It's much shorter than that.

After all, it's not a book !

Someone who cares enough about Ethical Theory would have the curiosity to pursue it further.....


I asked for the principles in order to decide whether I should give the paper a try. In reply, I get patronising stuff like this. Well, that's decisive!
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:04 pm

Greetings, Sauwelios

I wouldn't dream of hurting anyone's feelings!!!! I regard everyone as my family, and feel loving towards them, as a result of my study of Ethics.

There was no intention on my part to be patronizing. As explained in Chapter 7 of the paper, which is on the topic of how to avoid emotional suffering and keep peace-of-mind, if a piece of writing is interpreted in some negative way where it is taken to be an attack on one's ego (or self-image), that is the interpreter's problem. That was a professorial tone of voice you read in the previous post, I will confess.

However, I can't help being 'professorial' since I am a professor of Ethics as well as a professional ethicist. [I've received remuneration for business consulting.] But this thread is not about me; it is about building the best-possible-at this time Theory of Ethics.

As you will note I did give a principle in my recent post, and did tell where to find more details explaining it.

If what was written in the last paragraph of that post did not apply to an individual I trust that he or she would not take it personally, as per the old adage:

IF THE SHOE DOESN'T FIT, DON'T WEAR IT.

Ethics is too vast a field to have only one principle (that will do the whole job). The principles form a web; they are interrelated. That is why, Sauwelios, I could not give a satisfying answer to your question.

How do the rest of readers feel about the issues, and about the points raised in the linked reference? Does it contribute to an improved Theory of Ethics?
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:24 am

If I had to sum up the essence of my latest booklet, Ethics for the 21st Century: Keys to the good life, in a few words it would be these:

As a human species, we are each prewired to aim for our personal benefit. This could be referred to as 'a universal aim of ethics.' The question then becomes: What best provides us this benefit? How do we gain it? Can science offer any answers?

In pursuit of that primary aim we all yearn for meaning: how can we make sense out of our existence? We aim for a quality life; we want to make a difference; we want life to be meaningful.

We want the security that comes with peace instead of constant threat, instead of excessive stress, and violence, and conflict that borders on violence - for this wears us down and ages us prematurely. We flourish when we experience joy, serenity and peace of mind.

We want some recognition, some attention [even if we think we can attain it by arguing "My mother is better than your mother !" ...or by 'putting someone down" so that we may feel superior to another. There are many ignorant ways we seek to find meaning when we don't know our Ethics.]

...to be continued....
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:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:16 am

...continuing with the summation of the new Ethical theory:

Human beings are a part of nature and have less suffering in life when they comply with natural order - with nature's laws.

Gravity, cause/effect, entropy, and neg-entropy are such laws. Negentropy means order and value. We do best when we get in harmony with nature; hence value creation is in our interest. (This refers to positive value.) As a matter of fact we make evaluations of some sort all day long; in that sense we are value creators. We yearn, though, for a quality life; we want to squeeze the most value out of life that we can. Value creation is in our interest. We best attain our self-interest when we maximize the value in life. The question then arises: How do we maximize value? What are some ways? The booklet probes that question and offers some tentative answers.

We all do better when we ALL do better. This implies we work for social justice. We adopt policies designed to enhance the quality of life for all.

Click on the first link below in the signature to see how it shapes up.
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:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:46 am

thinkdr wrote:...continuing with the summation of the new Ethical theory:

Human beings are a part of nature and have less suffering in life when they comply with natural order - with nature's laws.

Human beings are human beings mainly (about 98%) because of their culture/s. Do you want them to completely return to nature, to completely become animals?
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:33 am

Arminius wrote:
thinkdr wrote:...continuing with the summation of the new Ethical theory:

Human beings are a part of nature and have less suffering in life when they comply with natural order - with nature's laws.

Human beings are human beings mainly (about 98%) because of their culture/s. Do you want them to completely return to nature, to completely become animals?


See, that's the problem with quick summations: one gives (and others get) entirely wrong impressions...

I failed to make myself clear. Please forgive it. It shows there is no substitute from an actual reading of the essay.

O:) I return to the suggestion I made earlier. It would help a person enormously if he would just read the paper. ....carefully.... and then comment.

Am I asking too much folks?? O:) - :arrow: http://tinyurl.com/pm3ldpk 8)

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:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:46 pm

thinkdr wrote:
Arminius wrote:
thinkdr wrote:...continuing with the summation of the new Ethical theory:

Human beings are a part of nature and have less suffering in life when they comply with natural order - with nature's laws.

Human beings are human beings mainly (about 98%) because of their culture/s. Do you want them to completely return to nature, to completely become animals?

See, that's the problem with quick summations: one gives (and others get) entirely wrong impressions...

See, that's the problem with quick responses: one asks a question, and others get entirely wrong impressions. It is possible that you want the humans to completely return to nature, to completely become animals, because you did not exclude it in your posts.

I asked you a valid question. So would you mind answering it?
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:06 pm

ARminius asks, "Do you want the humans to completely return to nature, to completely become animals?"

No. The booklet does not recommend that.

It does say it is wise to comply with natural law such as gravity, value creation, and stepping out of the path of moving vehicles. It does recommend honesty as a way of life.

The claims are argued; and I believe you, being intelligent, will be able to follow the arguments.

The idea is to construct a better Ethical Theory than is presently being taught in classrooms - with a view to turning out less-corruptible human beings who will get along harmoniously with fellow members of their species.
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
Marvin C. Katz - ETHICS: A College Course
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:10 pm

You should not be surprised if someone asks you whether you want the humans to completely return to nature, to completely become animals, because you refer to generalities like nature.

There is the word "revolution" in the title of this thread, and we have had enough so-called "revolutions" and all of them have been more than gruesome.

Why do you think that there has to be a better ethical theory than the one that is presently being taught in classrooms (of the US, I guess, right?)?
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:23 am

Arminius wrote:...Why do you think that there has to be a better ethical theory than the one that is presently being taught in classrooms (of the US, I guess, right?)?


Look around you, Arminius. Is the world as ethical as you would like to see it be?

Are people clear in their values - or are they confused?
Is there not a perpetual state of war on this planet? Has humankind abused the planet (which is its habitat) and thus obtained for itself the expense in time, sweat, and treasure of more-frequent-than-usual severe floods, droughts, tsunamis hurricanes, forest fires, etc. Isn't the polluting of the air and water self-defeating and counterproductive?

Do you see violent disputes taking place? Do you notice corruption? Do you experience people using words that hurt rather than heal?

Could we use our time, effort, and money better if we cooperated harmoniously, closed our perceptual gaps, settled our quarrels in an effective manner, built rather than burned?

Would you like to see constructive solutions rather than destructive behavior?

If your reply is Yes to any of this, then I think you can answer the question in the quote above for yourself.
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

When you search Bing for the following pdf selection you may wish to start with page 20 in order to skip the technicalities:
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:56 am

Arminius, my friend


You guessed right about where I stand on the issue you raised.

When Ethics is taught more efficiently the theoretical good will become the actual good ...the living good :!:

See also my response to turtle HERE; viewtopic.php?f=1&t=188316&p=2552268#p2552268

When you study with care my latest writings you will understand how those who take the course will likely be assigned by teachers of it to do some good deed of their own choosing; and then report to the class how it turned out -- how the recipient felt and how s/he - the student - felt afterwards.

What did you think of the argument in that little booklet, ETHICS FOR THE 21at CENTURY - [See the first selection in the Reading List below]

I'm really curious to know..... :?: :?:
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Amorphos » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:35 am

Let us start at the beginning of the paper...

1. Harmonious cooperation
2. Social justice
3. A quality life for the individuals living in it. A
quality life includes peace of mind for the
inhabitants of an ethical world.


What if difference is fundamental to the ‘better life’.

What if suffering is fundamental to the ‘better life’.
as in my first reply here;
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=188347

How may I cooperate with someone who wants a different thing to occur compared to my vision. Imagine one who wishes to build a round house and one who wishes to build a square house, but there is only enough land for one house. This is analogous to difference in the same world. To attain order harmony and cooperation, we all have to conform to universal standards, and eventually to a worldwide universal standard. It’s happening right now, and we are living in the application of similar philosophy. It says it is all accepting e.g. Of race, colour, culture, but in the end you have to all build square houses and be square people, all ‘roundhousers’ will be destroyed [as is happening].

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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:33 am

Amorphos wrote:....How may I cooperate with someone ...[when] there is only enough land for one house.



I do not accept that premiss
:!:
(Firstly, I thank you for opening the pamphlet. Did you finish it yet?) Let me tell you why I don't accept that notion.

Outer space is very vast in this universe. Can we possibly build homes on our Moon?

While you are imagining, and asking us to do so with you, why not imagine that there are multiple universes? ...

There is plenty of room on which to erect a house here on this spaceship on which we are all traveling. Buck Fuller designed, years ago, homes that could hang from trees and yet be quite stable and workable. There are vast regions on this Earth that are not being put to good use.

First we have to care.
Then we have to resolve to only support policies designed to enhance the quality of life for all.
And we need to get rid of our pessimism; it is a sickness ! This is explained on pp. 44-46 of LIVING THE GOOD LIFE. {Click on the third link in the signature below if you want to see the argument.}

Instead of dwelling upon what can't be done, we need to educate ourselves until we have an "I CAN" and and a 'CAN DO" attitude!!!!!!! We need to encourage creativity - and inclusivity.

You are correct, Amorphos, when you say: there will be suffering. It is human to mourn at the loss of a loved one - or to grieve whenever we have just lost something - say, a body part - or some project or activity that we loved. Suffering will occur. However, as Buddha is said to have counseled: Dwell not on what your have lost. Dwell instead on what you will gain."
{I am well aware that, morally speaking, right after the death of a spouse it is too early to think about that.}
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Amorphos » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:27 am

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Firstly may i say that generally i agree with your sentiment but i just don’t think that’s how such principles are manifest or utilised. You have a mass of different things and are trying to swamp it with a singularity; harmony demands similarity.

I do not accept that premiss
Outer space is very vast in this universe. Can we possibly build homes on our Moon?
While you are imagining, and asking us to do so with you, why not imagine that there are multiple universes? ...


Fine - if you can accept that some people will be different, and think differently. A single set of ethics is a doctrine and to the analogy i made, all square houses with no round houses. Harmony requires similarity and so it doesn’t matter how big the universe is [atm we just have the world], as the philosophy is the same regardless of scale. Then the point is that people have sharply contrasting values, and the difference is what causes the duality. Harmony has to remove the differences enough for it [harmony] to exist, and that means conformity.
We are told to be globalists, capitalists, to take any job [to suffer if you don’t], and are forced to ‘volunteer’ ~ everyone has to be part of the machine. Such is the globalist doctrine of the west, and it uses the same language as is here. All of this is rolled up under the disguise of moralism and ethics of the righteous ”Then we have to resolve to only support policies designed to enhance the quality of life for all”~ because who can argue with the fundamental principles! Well i will. This usually and currently means a war on extremism and in Israel equates as barriers between ‘non-extremists’ and ‘extremists’/difference.

All i am saying is that individuality necessarily requires duality, and that the eye viewing harmony sees this duality as the problem, and not that it itself is propagating and pushing that duality into further extremes. There is a difference between pushing and showing people the way. ...even Buddhism has dharma ~ the way to act properly.

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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:47 am

Arminius wrote:There is the word "revolution" in the title of this thread, and we have had enough...

I used that word to call attention to the topic. All social "revolutions" end up being evolutions.

What I am dong is philosophy, namely, showing distinctions, defining terms, suggesting analogies, highlighting contrasts, finding similarities, all with the aim of clarifying concepts. The word "revolution is ambiguous. Perhaps you are thinking of violence, such as occurred in the French Revolution and in the American Revolution. What I meant by the word is a shakeup in conventional thinking, a new package. Except for the definition of "value" and the new way of conceiving of intrinsic value, the ideas in my latest booklet are found in the traditions of moral philosophy, in the history of ideas. It is even the case what what the genius Robert S.Hartman spoke of as "Intrinsic Value" is very close to what Edmund Husserl called "Intentionality." And it is no surprise when we learn that Hartman was a student in Husserl's class.

There are no new ideas under the Sun. Yet there are new paradigms, new models.

What I offer, in Ethics for the 21st Century http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ET ... ENTURY.pdf is a frame--of-reference that you if you are a teacher could use as a text in your classrooms when you teach a course in Ethics.

I will upgrade it soon by adding value to it; I will add to it a Prologue and an Epilogue based upon what I wrote here in earlier posts in this thread when I was summing up some of thee points for which I argued in the booklet.

EVERYONE: What were your impressions when you read it? Did you approach it constructively - as would an ethical individual.
Can any readers suggest improvements.

Btw, I do recognize differences both in individuals and in cultures. I advocate variety ... within a unity. I promote individuality. I don't agree that harmony requires conformity ! You will note that those who declare that to be a fact do not define their terms. They depend on vagueness and ambiguity; and as a result they may offer very weak arguments.
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
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http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby thinkdr » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:49 am

Amorphos wrote:thinkdr

Firstly may i say that generally i agree with your sentiment but i just don’t think that’s how such principles are manifest or utilised.

Thank you; although I am not quite clear as to what you regard "my sentiment" to be?
Would you be so kind as to enlighten us as to how such principles are in fact manifested - and also how they will be utilized according to your design.


Fine - if you can accept that some people will be different, and think
differently....

OMG :!: As you know if you read over Basic Ethics - the second link in the signature below - I devote the entire final section to that very issue. The elegant result derived is that my system of Ethics affirms the high value for us if we promote the cultivation of individuality and autonomy. As explained in that document these are I-values - Intrinsic values (along with Freedom, Liberty, and Personal Choice - which are as well) and Ethics is the I-valuing of individuals; and thus there is a strong correlation with all these values.
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.... Harmony requires similarity and so it doesn’t matter how big the universe is [atm we just have the world] ....Buddhism has dharma ~ the way to act properly


Are you claiming, then, that chaos, confusion, violence and destruction are preferable to harmony (in human relationships)? What, I am inquiring, is your alternative to good human interaction - to cooperation on shared goals? What do you propose instead to reduce hateful disputes, or the "playing the dozens" which often degenerates into heated ad hominem arguments and needless conflicts, and sometimes spousal abuse? There are so many dysfunctional families; and in the U.S. Congress once Sen. Dick Cheney told Sen. Leahy to "go F--k himself." Today, we see nearly-total gridlock there. Are you saying that people just can't get along?

Amorphos, my friend, do you have the impression from reading that Ethics FOR THE21st Century manuscript that I want to obliterate all differences?? I wasn't aware that I had the power to do that even if I wanted to ...and I DON'T. Do you believe that just because Angela Merkel speaks English well at Camp David that when she goes bak to Deutschland she won't speak German any more? I personally speak five tongues with their native accents and inflections, and I enjoy doing it. Do you think that because I see the virtue in a common tongue, a lingua franca, I am out to get the inhabitants of China to cease speaking Chinese? C'mon, man !!
:idea: For further reading and insight into the topics of Ethics check out these links, and thereby add to your reading enjoyment

THE STRUCTURE OF ETHICS
[NEW] :!:
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/TH ... ETHICS.pdf


THE BREAKTHROUGH - We Can Get Along After All (2018)
http://myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BREAKT ... %20all.pdf

LIVING WELL: how ethics helps us flourish
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/LI ... ourish.pdf


BASIC ETHICS: a systematic approach
http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf


ETHICAL ADVENTURES http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/ETHICAL%20ADVENTURES.pdf

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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby Amorphos » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:45 pm

thinkdr

Would you be so kind as to enlighten us as to how such principles are in fact manifested - and also how they will be utilized according to your design.


I am making a complaint, so i don’t need my own theory to disagree with another’s reasoning where i perceive it to be flawed. I already stated how are they manifest, but it to me is a simple as yin’yang, if your force pushes against it’s opposition, it will grow, but the opposition will get smaller but tougher, and more desparate. There is naturally a point of exasperation when any force attempts to overcome another.
The evidence for this is the world right now, where the capitalist western force is attempting to be all consuming, but all it is doing is driving all oppositions to extremes. I might add that western culture tends to use human rights and their percieved sense of self-goodness as their basis, they are right because they have the right underlying principles and they are used in the globalist agenda.

The point is that it doesn’t matter what the force is, it is just black or white on a yin/yang. Just because the west thinks it is right that doesn’t make their duality lesser, because once applied then it’s a force pushing in the world [manifesting it’s opposite].

OMG


Lol no i meant that some people will think in contradiction to those philosophies, or use them themselves to base their own arguments [extremist think they are good don't they]. Others will simply be different.

Are you claiming, then, that chaos, confusion, violence and destruction are preferable to harmony (in human relationships)? What, I am inquiring, is your alternative to good human interaction - to cooperation on shared goals?


That’s how it always works, the system [or the righteous/good] claims difference to be against harmony. Chaos is an extreme opposite, resultant of sudden and dramatic large-scale change to a given status quo. Freedom is greater when no one has an agenda good or bad, the metaphysical positions [black/white yin/yang] are interchangeable. Freedom is an acceptance and not an ideal or goal, because then it becomes a force.

Amorphos, my friend, do you have the impression from reading that Ethics FOR THE21st Century manuscript that I want to obliterate all differences??


No, no, i am a bit buddhist/janist/taoist/druid, and i see your point. We just have to remember that political and other forces in the world are reactive [how duality works], and that politicians will manipulate such wholesome basis like the lion does the lamb.

My alt-theory btw is individualism.
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Re: Are you aware of the revolution in Moral Philosophy?

Postby LaughingMan » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:04 am

So much inequality, apathy, human suffering, tyranny, indifference, slavery, penury, unfair servitude, control by financial debt, ego, lust, vanity, and selfish interests at every crossroad of civilization where still those in power must keep the pretend appearances of morality that simply isn't there to begin with in order to retain social behavioral control over whole entire populations.

After all, authority, control, and the state couldn't exist without these concepts. It becomes necessity to invent these social concepts even when they're completely absent, nonexistent, or lacking.

So, the march of bullshit*t moral ideology, phililosophy, intellectuals, and dogma continues silencing critics or skeptics from all angles.

A world of deception, lies, deceit, bondage, damnable conspiracies, and social dependency pretending itself to be virtuous or noble where total freedom in maintaining itself is the enemy.

You silly moral intellectuals with your flights of idealistic fancy in describing the human species as a loving compassionate one.

And for you religionists of every stripe and caliber, where does your God dwell in all of this?
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