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Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:23 am

Life Philosophy.

What do you think about life philosophy?
Are there any life philosophers you prefer?

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This thread can be interpreted as a supplement to my thread called: „The Meaning of Life“.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby James S Saint » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:14 am

I think that it would help a great deal if you would more precisely define what you mean by "Life Philosophy". 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:24 am

I think he means something like philosophy about life. You know how most of the philosophy on these boards is about death.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:29 am

James S Saint wrote:I think that it would help a great deal if you would more precisely define what you mean by "Life Philosophy". 8)

I mean the philosophy of life. Sometimes it is also called "vitalism", but I would not say that "philosophy of life" is just "vitalism", because it is a bit more than that (at least to me). Therefore I prefer the term "life philosophy".
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:32 am

I've heard a thing or two about Henri Bergson. Think he was a Jew.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:03 am

Yes. Henri Bergson (1859-1941) was a Jew. He was not the first and not the most significant life philosopher. Bergson was influenced by former life philosophers, mainly by Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (1844-1900) and Wilhelm Dilthey (1833-1911) who were also influenced by former life philosophers, mainly by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) and Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860).
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:50 pm

Was Nietzsche a vitalist?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:45 pm

That is exactly the reason why I did not want to call this thread "philosophy of life" but rather "life philosophy". The term "philosophy of life" is almost always connected with the term "vitalism". But many life philosophers are not just vitalists. Louis Dumas, Henri Bergson, Johannes Reinke, Hans Driesch, Jakob von Uexküll, Erich Becher, and some others were vitalists, some (thus not all) of them also life philosophers.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:03 pm

Alright then. So what does separate life philosophy from other kinds of philosophies?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:13 pm

You can deduce it from the term "life philosophy". It is a philosophy not only of or about but also within life, thus also a practical or empirical philosophy (more or less also including existential philosophy and cultural philosophy, for example), which is not like but merely close to empirical science.

To me, the best example for a literary form of a philosophy of life, existence, and culture is Goethe's "Faust" and Faust the best literary character of a life philosophy. Goethe was not mainly a philosopher, but all what he did can also be used as a philosophy, especially his knowledge about morphology (cp. for example his "Die Metamorphose der Pflanzen"), his novels, for example "Die Leiden des jungen Werthers" or "Wilhelm Meister ...", his tragedy "Faust I and II" (as I alraedy mentioned) or his books "Aus meinem Leben - Dichtung und Wahrheit", "Maximen und Reflexionen" and others.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby James S Saint » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:59 pm

    Clarify, Verify, Instill, ....
:wink:
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:13 am

Arminius wrote
Are there any life philosophers you prefer?


Myself.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Pneumatic-Coma » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:35 am

Our intrinsic knowledge of life would be as strenuous as living it's existence. Yet life on the topic of what it is and how we perceive it is just our own interpretation. Nietzsche could have absolutely been teaching us of correct life philosophy as in he did teach us of the consequences of being here living within the grasp of actual life. Yet, only he succumbed to life's brutality as well and saw nothing but an ugly life within his path.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:00 am

Arminius wrote:You can deduce it from the term "life philosophy". It is a philosophy not only of or about but also within life, thus also a practical or empirical philosophy (more or less also including existential philosophy and cultural philosophy, for example), which is not like but merely close to empirical science.

To me, the best example for a literary form of a philosophy of life, existence, and culture is Goethe's "Faust" and Faust the best literary character of a life philosophy. Goethe was not mainly a philosopher, but all what he did can also be used as a philosophy, especially his knowledge about morphology (cp. for example his "Die Metamorphose der Pflanzen"), his novels, for example "Die Leiden des jungen Werthers" or "Wilhelm Meister ...", his tragedy "Faust I and II" (as I alraedy mentioned) or his books "Aus meinem Leben - Dichtung und Wahrheit", "Maximen und Reflexionen" and others.

And (by the way): Goethe lived in a time of two philosophically and scientifically important Occidental eras: (1) Enlightenment, (2) Idealism/Romantic.

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:01 am

James S Saint wrote:
    Clarify, Verify, Instill, ....
:wink:

Yes. :wink:

Which verb comes semantically very close to the verb „instill“?
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:16 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:Was Nietzsche a vitalist?
Pneumatic-Coma wrote:Our intrinsic knowledge of life would be as strenuous as living it's existence. Yet life on the topic of what it is and how we perceive it is just our own interpretation. Nietzsche could have absolutely been teaching us of correct life philosophy as in he did teach us of the consequences of being here living within the grasp of actual life. Yet, only he succumbed to life's brutality as well and saw nothing but an ugly life within his path.

"Eine Würdigung Nietzsches wird immer stark davon abhängen, wie man den »Willen zur Macht« auffaßt. Ermunterung zu imperialem Zynismus? Kathartisches Geständnis ? Ästhetisches Motto ? Selbstkorrektur eines Gehemmten ? Vitalistischer Slogan? Metaphysik des Narzißmus? Enthemmungspropaganda?" - Peter Sloterdijk, Kritik der zynischen Vernunft, 1983, S. 389.
Translation:
"An appreciation Nietzsches will always strongly depend on how one understands the »will to the power«. Encouragement to imperial cynicism? Cathartic confession? Aesthetic motto? Self-correction of an inhibited? Vitalistic slogan? Metaphysics of the narcissism? Propaganda of disinhibition?"
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:59 am

Although life philosophy wants to understand life by life itself, it should not be reduced to vitalism and biologism which are aspects of it but not more.

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby James S Saint » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:47 am

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
    Clarify, Verify, Instill, ....
:wink:

Yes. :wink:

Which verb comes semantically very close to the verb „instill“?

in·still
inˈstil/
verb
verb: instil; 3rd person present: instils; past tense: instilled; past participle: instilled; gerund or present participle: instilling; verb: instill; 3rd person present: instills

    1. gradually but firmly establish (an idea or attitude, especially a desirable one) in a person's mind.
    "how do we instill a sense of rightness in today's youth?"
    synonyms: inculcate, implant, ingrain, impress, imprint, introduce;

Although I extend the word to include physical installations:
in·stall
inˈstôl/
verb
gerund or present participle: installing

    1. place or fix in position ready for use.
    "we're planning to install a new shower"
    synonyms: put, position, place, locate, situate, station, site, lodge; insert
    "a photocopier was installed in the office"
    antonyms: remove
    load (software) into a computer.
    "you may want to install a new version of the program"
    2. place (someone) in a new position of authority, especially with ceremony.
    "he was installed as music director at the Cathedral of St. Barbara in Cracow"
    synonyms: swear in, induct, instate, inaugurate, invest; appoint;
    ordain, consecrate, anoint; enthrone, crown

And also:
doc·u·ment
noun
noun: document; plural noun: documents
ˈdäkyəmənt/
    1. a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that provides information or evidence or that serves as an official record.
    synonyms: official paper, legal paper, certificate, deed, contract, legal agreement; More
    instrument, indenture
    "their lawyer drew up a document"
verb
verb: document; 3rd person present: documents; past tense: documented; past participle: documented; gerund or present participle: documenting
ˈdäkyəˌment/
    1. record (something) in written, photographic, or other form.
    "the photographer spent years documenting the lives of miners"
    synonyms: record, register, report, log, chronicle, archive, put on record, write down;
And:
mem·o·rize
ˈmeməˌrīz/
verb
verb: memorize; 3rd person present: memorizes; past tense: memorized; past participle: memorized; gerund or present participle: memorizing; verb: memorise; 3rd person present: memorises; past tense: memorised; past participle: memorised; gerund or present participle: memorising

commit to memory; learn by heart.
"he memorized thousands of verses"
synonyms: commit to memory, remember, learn by heart, get off by heart, learn, learn by rote, become word-perfect in, get something down pat; archaiccon
"we have to memorize a poem in French"

Basically it refers to making something more permanent.


One just has to wonder for how long she had to hold that pose:
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Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Pandora » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:18 am

Arminius wrote:Although life philosophy wants to understand life by life itself, it should not be reduced to vitalism and biologism which are aspects of it but not more.

One needs to ask himself as what comes first in order to determine what is a part of what.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Prismatic567 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:54 am

Arminius wrote:Life Philosophy.
What do you think about life philosophy?
Are there any life philosophers you prefer?
Life always entail a whole-life within the whole of reality.

'Life Philosophy' [vitalism ++] would imply partial philosophy and will not cover whole-life and the whole of reality.

Actually it is philosophy per-se that will cover the whole of life and the whole of reality.
Philosophy per se is the management system that is effective to deal with one's whole life, humanity and the whole of reality optimally.

Within philosophy per-se there are the various categories of specialized Philosophy which are the various tools to be used to deal with life optimally within whatever the existing constraints.

Pierre Hadot introduced his Philosophy as a Way of Life: Spiritual Exercises from Socrates to Foucault
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The above is something but I don't believe the above is sufficient to deal with the whole of one life, humanity and the whole of reality.
What is needed is to approach the whole of life with a reliance on Philosophy per-se [as appropriately defined.]
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:58 pm

Pandora wrote:
Arminius wrote:Although life philosophy wants to understand life by life itself, it should not be reduced to vitalism and biologism which are aspects of it but not more.

One needs to ask himself as what comes first in order to determine what is a part of what.

"Himself"? Whom do you mean?
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:05 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:'Life Philosophy' [vitalism ++] would imply partial philosophy and will not cover whole-life and the whole of reality.

You have not read or at least not understood what life philosophy is, how it is defined. Life philosophy (by definition) does not have to cover the whole of reality. This is already said in this thread. Just try to read it.

And it is also not simply meant as "a way of life".
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:32 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
    Clarify, Verify, Instill, ....
:wink:

Yes. :wink:

Which verb comes semantically very close to the verb „instill“?

in·still
inˈstil/
verb
verb: instil; 3rd person present: instils; past tense: instilled; past participle: instilled; gerund or present participle: instilling; verb: instill; 3rd person present: instills

    1. gradually but firmly establish (an idea or attitude, especially a desirable one) in a person's mind.
    "how do we instill a sense of rightness in today's youth?"
    synonyms: inculcate, implant, ingrain, impress, imprint, introduce;

Although I extend the word to include physical installations:
in·stall
inˈstôl/
verb
gerund or present participle: installing

    1. place or fix in position ready for use.
    "we're planning to install a new shower"
    synonyms: put, position, place, locate, situate, station, site, lodge; insert
    "a photocopier was installed in the office"
    antonyms: remove
    load (software) into a computer.
    "you may want to install a new version of the program"
    2. place (someone) in a new position of authority, especially with ceremony.
    "he was installed as music director at the Cathedral of St. Barbara in Cracow"
    synonyms: swear in, induct, instate, inaugurate, invest; appoint;
    ordain, consecrate, anoint; enthrone, crown

And also:
doc·u·ment
noun
noun: document; plural noun: documents
ˈdäkyəmənt/
    1. a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that provides information or evidence or that serves as an official record.
    synonyms: official paper, legal paper, certificate, deed, contract, legal agreement; More
    instrument, indenture
    "their lawyer drew up a document"
verb
verb: document; 3rd person present: documents; past tense: documented; past participle: documented; gerund or present participle: documenting
ˈdäkyəˌment/
    1. record (something) in written, photographic, or other form.
    "the photographer spent years documenting the lives of miners"
    synonyms: record, register, report, log, chronicle, archive, put on record, write down;
And:
mem·o·rize
ˈmeməˌrīz/
verb
verb: memorize; 3rd person present: memorizes; past tense: memorized; past participle: memorized; gerund or present participle: memorizing; verb: memorise; 3rd person present: memorises; past tense: memorised; past participle: memorised; gerund or present participle: memorising

commit to memory; learn by heart.
"he memorized thousands of verses"
synonyms: commit to memory, remember, learn by heart, get off by heart, learn, learn by rote, become word-perfect in, get something down pat; archaiccon
"we have to memorize a poem in French"

Basically it refers to making something more permanent.

Thank you very much.

James S Saint wrote:One just has to wonder for how long she had to hold that pose:
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Or he (?).

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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:01 am

Is it possible to clearly define vitalism?

Here's my attempt. Vitalism would be an idea that there is some kind of vital force that permeates everything. A sort of substance monism, I'd say. Or rather, substance monism regarding living beings. Non-living beings appear to be excluded.

I don't know how true this is. So it's someone else's turn to correct me and/or offer better, more accurate, definition.
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Re: Life Philosophy.

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:51 pm

Unless we're confining ourselves to philosophers per se and not thinking out of the box --

a life philosopher can also be an artist, a poet, painter - they too are life philosophers.

Baruch who wrote Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 was a life philosopher.

A Time for Everything
3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.


Anyone who observes, studies and portrays life in all of its subjectivity, objectivity, truth, meaning, can be considered to be a life philosopher.
I believe that existentialists are life philosophers.

Shakespeare was a great life philosopher. Van Gogh was one, Picasso was one...Dostoevsky was one...
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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