Eventually Empathy will Trump Emnity

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Four years ago I kicked around the same notion ... http://thoughtsofamisfit.weebly.com/eve ... -will.html

This morning the notion seems much simpler with the caption "Eventually Empathy will Trump Emnity".

Assumptions:

1) Humans have infinite capacity for empathy.

2) Humans have infinite capacity for emnity.

3) Empathy and emnity coexist in the individual and among/between individuals.

4) Empirical evidence confirms one or the other holds the dominant position ... though ... the shelf life of dominance can vary from very short to very long.

Question:

Will one or the other ever achieve permanent dominance?

[Zero_Sum]

Human pets or circus bears are treated with more empathy than the man living on the street. Infinite empathy? Sorry, I just don't see it.

[Prismatic567]

I have argued for the above OP with evidence, i.e.

1. DNA wise, ALL humans has the potential drive towards greater morality [incl, empathy].

Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness. It is from these beginnings, he argues in his new book Just Babies, that adults develop their sense of right and wrong, their desire to do good — and, at times, their capacity to do terrible things.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/

2. DNA wise, All humans are endowed with Mirror Neurons [evolving with increasing numbers] which are responsible for empathy.

Stephanie Preston and Frans de Waal,[53] Jean Decety,[54][55] and Vittorio Gallese[56][57] and Christian Keysers[3] have independently argued that the mirror neuron system is involved in empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron#Empathy

The two elements above are on a progressing trend in time [evolutionary] and eventually* [100 years? or more?] it will tip the balance to suppress and modulate the older neural circuits responsible for enmity.
*This is given the current progressing trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology in the advance fields of the neurosciences, genomics, etc.

There are possibly many other factors that will contribute to greater activation of empathy within humanity in the future.

[Zero_Sum]

I have argued for the above OP with evidence, i.e.

1. DNA wise, ALL humans has the potential drive towards greater morality [incl, empathy].

Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness. It is from these beginnings, he argues in his new book Just Babies, that adults develop their sense of right and wrong, their desire to do good — and, at times, their capacity to do terrible things.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/

2. DNA wise, All humans are endowed with Mirror Neurons [evolving with increasing numbers] which are responsible for empathy.

Stephanie Preston and Frans de Waal,[53] Jean Decety,[54][55] and Vittorio Gallese[56][57] and Christian Keysers[3] have independently argued that the mirror neuron system is involved in empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron#Empathy

The two elements above are on a progressing trend in time [evolutionary] and eventually* [100 years? or more?] it will tip the balance to suppress and modulate the older neural circuits responsible for enmity.
*This is given the current progressing trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology in the advance fields of the neurosciences, genomics, etc.

There are possibly many other factors that will contribute to greater activation of empathy within humanity in the future.

All studies reinforcing the command theory of morality and ethics circulating around power or control. (Top down authority.) No surprise there.

The future of civilization? A ruin wasteland of destruction where technological salvation is fleeting and where a rapturing God is mysteriously absent. Sorry to disappoint.

[Prismatic567]

I have argued for the above OP with evidence, i.e.

1. DNA wise, ALL humans has the potential drive towards greater morality [incl, empathy].

Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness. It is from these beginnings, he argues in his new book Just Babies, that adults develop their sense of right and wrong, their desire to do good — and, at times, their capacity to do terrible things.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/

2. DNA wise, All humans are endowed with Mirror Neurons [evolving with increasing numbers] which are responsible for empathy.

Stephanie Preston and Frans de Waal,[53] Jean Decety,[54][55] and Vittorio Gallese[56][57] and Christian Keysers[3] have independently argued that the mirror neuron system is involved in empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron#Empathy

The two elements above are on a progressing trend in time [evolutionary] and eventually* [100 years? or more?] it will tip the balance to suppress and modulate the older neural circuits responsible for enmity.
*This is given the current progressing trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology in the advance fields of the neurosciences, genomics, etc.

There are possibly many other factors that will contribute to greater activation of empathy within humanity in the future.

All studies reinforcing the command theory of morality and ethics circulating around power or control. (Top down authority.) No surprise there.

Reference?
Note I replied to your point earlier, Morality & Ethics is a core subject of Philosophy.
If you are associating it critically with 'power' and 'control' you are way off which demonstrate your corruption of Philosophy and your shallowness on the subject.

The future of civilization? A ruin wasteland of destruction where technological salvation is fleeting and where a rapturing God is mysteriously absent. Sorry to disappoint.

Every one is entitled to speculations and opinions, but truth is a different matter that require philosophical maturity.

[Zero_Sum]

Reference?
Note I replied to your point earlier, the Morality and Ethics is a core subject of Philosophy.
If you are associating it with power and control you are way off which demonstrate your corruption of Philosophy and your shallowness on the subject.

The future of civilization? A ruin wasteland of destruction where technological salvation is fleeting and where a rapturing God is mysteriously absent. Sorry to disappoint.

Every one is entitled to speculations and opinions, but truth is a different matter that require philosophical maturity.

I am just honest acknowledging the corruption of human nature where you're dishonest minimizing its influences.

Philosophical maturity for me is staring into the eyes of destruction, annihilation, and oblivion understanding the course of human events. I would say we have a different grasp as to what maturity is.

[Prismatic567]

Reference?
Note I replied to your point earlier, the Morality and Ethics is a core subject of Philosophy.
If you are associating it with power and control you are way off which demonstrate your corruption of Philosophy and your shallowness on the subject.

The future of civilization? A ruin wasteland of destruction where technological salvation is fleeting and where a rapturing God is mysteriously absent. Sorry to disappoint.

Every one is entitled to speculations and opinions, but truth is a different matter that require philosophical maturity.

I am just honest acknowledging the corruption of human nature where you're dishonest minimizing its influences.

Philosophical maturity for me is staring into the eyes of destruction, annihilation, and oblivion understanding the course of human events. I would say we have a different grasp as to what maturity is.

Note I can easily observe the "destruction, annihilation, and oblivion understanding the course of human events" and I have identified this as evil of various degrees. As I had stated, humanity must recognize all existing evils.

Philosophical maturity is understanding the ultimate, proximate and other root causes that trigger such evils and finding solutions to reduce, prevent and eliminate such evils.

Philosophical maturity is understanding which is the worst of the potential and most likely to be executed to the extent of exterminating the human race. The secular threat of a nuclear war is restricted by the fact of Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD] but for Muslims MAD is not a deterent because regardless of what happened it is lose-win for them as they are assured of a place in Paradise regardless of what happens.

Philosophical maturity is also recognizing the fact of the potential that 'Eventually Empathy will Trump Emnity' as supported by empirical evidences.

If with your immature philosophical thoughts that there is no hope, humanity might as well commit mass suicide to get rid of the worries.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Question:

1) Is empathy more associated with the "feminine" ... eg mother as caretaker

2) Is emnity more associated with the "masculine" ... eg father as provider

Here's a graphic created by a young Chinese woman:

A Picture of Consciousness

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At the time she was a visual graphics university student. The only inspiration she had for creating it ... that I'm aware of ... is she volunteered to come up with a logo for a new group she had just joined "Grail Quest Geeks".

At the moment my thoughts are focused on the Yin Yang symbol in the centre of the graphic ...

Gib ... the image represents the geocentric model of the solar system. According to the article, ... http://chinesefortunecalendar.com/YinYang.htm
the yin yang symbol is a product of charting the night skies from the point of view of Earth (hence, geocentrism). At least, that's how it originated.

Gib ... maybe it's a picture of consciousness ... grounded at least in part in science ... the solar system in the centre

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” Chuang Tsu

The way of the Tao is reversal.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

If with your immature philosophical thoughts that there is no hope, humanity might as well commit mass suicide to get rid of the worries.

Reminds me of a topic Confucius wrestled with ...

Because the people of his time were preoccupied with the worship of spirits, Confucius emphasized that a person should focus his attention on living a good life. The afterlife, with its rewards or punishments, is not within one's contro1 and thus should not be the point of emphasis. When Confucius was asked whether men have consciousness after their death, he replied:
If I say that the dead have consciousness, I am afraid that the pious sons and obedient grandsons will harm their own lives for the dead; if I say that the dead have no consciousness, I am afraid that the unfilial and impious children will abandon the cadavers of their deceased parents and not even bury them. Why are you so eager to know if the dead have consciousness? It is not important now. We will know it naturally later (when we die).

[Zero_Sum]

Note I can easily observe the "destruction, annihilation, and oblivion understanding the course of human events" and I have identified this as evil of various degrees. As I had stated, humanity must recognize all existing evils.

Philosophical maturity is understanding the ultimate, proximate and other root causes that trigger such evils and finding solutions to reduce, prevent and eliminate such evils.

Philosophical maturity is understanding which is the worst of the potential and most likely to be executed to the extent of exterminating the human race. The secular threat of a nuclear war is restricted by the fact of Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD] but for Muslims MAD is not a deterent because regardless of what happened it is lose-win for them as they are assured of a place in Paradise regardless of what happens.

Philosophical maturity is also recognizing the fact of the potential that 'Eventually Empathy will Trump Emnity' as supported by empirical evidences.

If with your immature philosophical thoughts that there is no hope, humanity might as well commit mass suicide to get rid of the worries.

There's hope it just cannot be realized while this civilization still exists and can only be fulfilled when it is destroyed. I'm a firm believer that the civilization we live in cannot be reformed or improved in any kind of meaningful manner. For me it is immature thinking you can reform that which is unreformable.

For me that potential cannot be realized until the slate is wiped clean and can only come about with this civilization being wiped out across the globe.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

There's hope it just cannot be realized while this civilization still exists and can only be fulfilled when it is destroyed. I'm a firm believer that the civilization we live in cannot be reformed or improved in any kind of meaningful manner. For me it is immature thinking you can reform that which is unreformable.

For me that potential cannot be realized until the slate is wiped clean and can only come about with this civilization being wiped out across the globe.

Your comments reflect the attitude of some of the people with their hands on the levers of power. Like the child in the sand box who destroys the toy taken away from him ... if I can't have it ... nobody can.

The odds of the scenario you describe coming to pass are increasing with every passing day.

[Prismatic567]

There's hope it just cannot be realized while this civilization still exists and can only be fulfilled when it is destroyed. I'm a firm believer that the civilization we live in cannot be reformed or improved in any kind of meaningful manner. For me it is immature thinking you can reform that which is unreformable.

For me that potential cannot be realized until the slate is wiped clean and can only come about with this civilization being wiped out across the globe.

I am an optimist and prefer to perceive the cup as half-full rather than half-empty.
But mine is not blind optimism rather I have presented my thesis with arguments and evidences.

[Zero_Sum]

There's hope it just cannot be realized while this civilization still exists and can only be fulfilled when it is destroyed. I'm a firm believer that the civilization we live in cannot be reformed or improved in any kind of meaningful manner. For me it is immature thinking you can reform that which is unreformable.

For me that potential cannot be realized until the slate is wiped clean and can only come about with this civilization being wiped out across the globe.

Your comments reflect the attitude of some of the people with their hands on the levers of power. Like the child in the sand box who destroys the toy taken away from him ... if I can't have it ... nobody can.

The odds of the scenario you describe coming to pass are increasing with every passing day.

The major difference is that they want to destroy the world to create a global government that manages a technological global civilization with the eradication of nation states. I don't want any of that.

For me I just want a return to nature with human beings going back to their primitive roots in living. I choose a natural existence over an artificial one. I'm glad I can illustrate the difference here.

[Zero_Sum]

There's hope it just cannot be realized while this civilization still exists and can only be fulfilled when it is destroyed. I'm a firm believer that the civilization we live in cannot be reformed or improved in any kind of meaningful manner. For me it is immature thinking you can reform that which is unreformable.

For me that potential cannot be realized until the slate is wiped clean and can only come about with this civilization being wiped out across the globe.

I am an optimist and prefer to perceive the cup as half-full rather than half-empty.
But mine is not blind optimism rather I have presented my thesis with arguments and evidences.

It surely comes off as blind optimism to me.

[Arminius]

There's hope it just cannot be realized while this civilization still exists and can only be fulfilled when it is destroyed. I'm a firm believer that the civilization we live in cannot be reformed or improved in any kind of meaningful manner. For me it is immature thinking you can reform that which is unreformable.

For me that potential cannot be realized until the slate is wiped clean and can only come about with this civilization being wiped out across the globe.

I am an optimist and prefer to perceive the cup as half-full rather than half-empty.
But mine is not blind optimism rather I have presented my thesis with arguments and evidences.

It surely comes off as blind optimism to me.

Communists have to be optimists. They have no other choice - except death, caused either by a bullet or by Gulag. Their "arguments" and "evidences" are not more than merely ideology (modern religion), in praxis: terror, thus death again. When their terror system crashes, they are so much depressed that it is not possible ot find them on the surface of this planet. So in reality, communists are those pessimists who are using optimism as a mask for power reasons.

[Zero_Sum]

Communists have to be optimists. They have no other choice - except death, caused either by a bullet or by Gulag. Their "arguments" and "evidences" are not more than merely ideology (modern religion), in praxis: terror, thus death again. When their terror system crashes, they are so much depressed that it is not possible ot find them on the surface of this planet. So in reality, communists are those pessimists who are using optimism as a mask for power reasons.

Anymore I would describe myself as a moderate socialist stuck in between the extremity of capitalism and communism, of course both systems have effectively killed off moderate socialism movements where they don't exist anymore. At any rate I despise both capitalism and communism. In both systems you end up a slave in one form or another if you're not born into wealth. Both systems have wreaked havoc on the globe socially, politically, culturally, and economically. If your only choices are choosing between those two systems you in reality have no choice whatsoever. Interestingly enough under both of those systems the terms are dictated by the barrel of a gun.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Communists have to be optimists. They have no other choice - except death, caused either by a bullet or by Gulag. Their "arguments" and "evidences" are not more than merely ideology (modern religion), in praxis: terror, thus death again. When their terror system crashes, they are so much depressed that it is not possible ot find them on the surface of this planet. So in reality, communists are those pessimists who are using optimism as a mask for power reasons.

Arminius ... you're a genius! ... notwithstanding your access to that yuge data bank.

All facts are convincing, conclusions drawn from facts are often erroneous.

Facts:

1) Both C's have had ... and continue to have ... "guns in their hands".

2) Observers have often conflated offense with defense and vice versa.

“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” Chuang Tsu

Please remember details confuse me.

[Prismatic567]

I am an optimist and prefer to perceive the cup as half-full rather than half-empty.
But mine is not blind optimism rather I have presented my thesis with arguments and evidences.

It surely comes off as blind optimism to me.

Communists have to be optimists. They have no other choice - except death, caused either by a bullet or by Gulag. Their "arguments" and "evidences" are not more than merely ideology (modern religion), in praxis: terror, thus death again. When their terror system crashes, they are so much depressed that it is not possible ot find them on the surface of this planet. So in reality, communists are those pessimists who are using optimism as a mask for power reasons.

I am apolitical, thus not bothered to be a communist or otherwise.

But as Schopenhauer has stated, the true blind optimists are theists especially those of the Abrahamic religions who so optimistic they will have eternal life in heaven/paradise as promised by an illusory God. And Schopenhauer sarcastically declared, if that is theistic optimism, then he [Schop] is a pessimist.

Believing in an illusory and impossible God is blind optimism which as a whole enable and is complicit to greater enmity in terms of terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Believing in an illusory and impossible God is blind optimism which as a whole enable and is complicit to greater enmity in terms of terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils.

Prismatic ... what a 'drift' from your first comment in this OP.

Drugged on the self-aggrandizing drugs of excess, lude and lascivious lifestyles, and utter godlessness, the United States is all set for an apocalypse few in my country see.
https://journal-neo.org/2017/12/03/amer ... reckoning/

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Just finished reading the article I referred to in my last post.

A smile came to my mind's heart ... here's some words I posted yesterday ...

Your comments reflect the attitude of some of the people with their hands on the levers of power. Like the child in the sand box who destroys the toy taken away from him ... if I can't have it ... nobody can.

... and here are the words of someone who has a much better command of the English language ... quite colorful indeed ...

So, when America does finally succumb to the death throes we’ve seen happening the last thirty years or more… They’ll push the button, you bet they will. Zombies could care less about Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Palestine, Syria and Yemen. You unplug the intravenous joy and it’s over. And this is the truth of an America since 1955. Find yourself a cave here on Crete, fort up and get ready. It’s coming.
https://journal-neo.org/2017/12/03/amer ... reckoning/

[Prismatic567]

Believing in an illusory and impossible God is blind optimism which as a whole enable and is complicit to greater enmity in terms of terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils.

Prismatic ... what a 'drift' from your first comment in this OP.

Others like Aminius was drifting off course, I am bring it back to topic.

You will note, the Abrahamic religions claim their God is compassionat, loving, benevolent but that is only towards their own believers [note especially Islam]. Such religions undermine empathy on a universal levels and a religion like Islam inspires its followers [SOME] to commit terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils.

Theists are indirectly complicit to the terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils committed by their fellow theists. Theists who aggressively defend the existence of God as real when in fact God is illusory and an impossibility provide indirect moral support to evil prone theists to commit evils in God's name.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Believing in an illusory and impossible God is blind optimism which as a whole enable and is complicit to greater enmity in terms of terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils.

Prismatic ... what a 'drift' from your first comment in this OP.

Others like Aminius was drifting off course, I am bring it back to topic.

You will note, the Abrahamic religions claim their God is compassionat, loving, benevolent but that is only towards their own believers [note especially Islam]. Such religions undermine empathy on a universal levels and a religion like Islam inspires its followers [SOME] to commit terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils.

Theists are indirectly complicit to the terrible terrors, violence and all sorts of evils committed by their fellow theists. Theists who aggressively defend the existence of God as real when in fact God is illusory and an impossibility provide indirect moral support to evil prone theists to commit evils in God's name.

Hope the wind changes direction soon. ... and carries this topic back to where it started

If not ... that's OK too ... undoubtedly all comments have some value to someone or something.

[Zero_Sum]

I will stick with my earlier post that pets and circus bears receive more empathy than human beings have for each other.

[Zero_Sum]

Understanding American politics currently I am starting to understand our politics resembles reality television now in a form of media headlines entertainment which in turn makes it more palpable for the uneducated moronic idiots that make up the majority of the population.

Of course real lives and human suffering hangs in the balance with all of this but this is America where nobody really cares about anything other than their own monetary bottom line.

I would say it is humorous to watch and observe if not also very painful.