The Moral Life of Babies
Yale Psychology Professor Paul Bloom finds the origins of morality in infants
Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/
thinkdr wrote:Thank you, Prismatics, for your relevant and important contribution to the discussion.
Those "nurturing conditions" to which you allude, are cultural factors. They also refer to parenting techniques which themselves are a reflection of the skill-level of the ones doing the nurturing. If parents are ignorant, then the maturation process will be delayed, and socialization will be faulty.
Toddlers and kiddies learn their ethics mainly by the examples of conduct and character they see, even though they do have the innate capacities of which you have spoken
In my little book, The Structure of Ethics, a section is devoted to Prof. Bloom. On You Tube also there is a video showing him working with the babies while their mothers look on. His "experiments" [actually they are structured experiences] reveal that not only do the babies tend to favor the kind and generous actors in the little skits he shows them, but also he finds that those babies have biases: they are attracted to individuals who share the same tastes they do.
Thus if people are not keenly aware, alert to avoid being gullible, a skillful con-artist can prey upon them, manipulate and exploit them.
For example, the 'Storm Trumpers', the members of the I.C.E. border-patrol who blindly "follow orders" and end up being the private police force of Pres. Donald, ready to do his bidding, just as A. Hitler had his S.S. troops.
Do we want this in the United States of America? If not, take action! Let your voice be heard!
Questions?
Comments?
Prismatic567 wrote:
my point is given whatever the negatives that arise from the nurturing process that hinder inherent morality to progress
in alignment with its intended purpose [ not teleological ] what should humanity do to manage those neural hindrances ?
I am very certain, the next Conservative President of the USA will face similar condemnations from those from the left and vice-versa, it is business as usual driven by Tribalism, us versus them.
promethean75 wrote:That division that surrounds trumpf is the best thing to ever come out of his presidency. Divison is precisely what needs to be accelerated and recognized. That 'no', we are not one nation under god blah blah blah. That there is a difference in spirit between the right and left that is so pronounced, so irreconcilable, that they might as well be two different species.
This division is the greatest thing to happen to the American farce. We need more of it, if anything.
Prismatic567 wrote:thinkdr wrote:Thank you, Prismatics, for your relevant and important contribution to the discussion.
Those "nurturing conditions" to which you allude, are cultural factors. They also refer to parenting techniques which themselves are a reflection of the skill-level of the ones doing the nurturing. If parents are ignorant, then the maturation process will be delayed, and socialization will be faulty.
Toddlers and kiddies learn their ethics mainly by the examples of conduct and character they see, even though they do have the innate capacities of which you have spoken....
...Thus if people are not keenly aware, alert to avoid being gullible, a skillful con-artist can prey upon them, manipulate and exploit them.
For example, the 'Storm Trumpers', the members of the I.C.E. border-patrol who blindly "follow orders" and end up being the private police force of Pres. Donald, ready to do his bidding, just as A. Hitler had his S.S. troops.
Do we want this in the United States of America? If not, take action! Let your voice be heard!
Questions?
Comments?Prismatic567 wrote: I don't think Trump is that bad as what the media has portrayed him to be....
Prismatic567 wrote:thinkdr wrote:Thank you, Prismatics, for your relevant and important contribution to the discussion.
Those "nurturing conditions" to which you allude, are cultural factors. They also refer to parenting techniques which themselves are a reflection of the skill-level of the ones doing the nurturing. If parents are ignorant, then the maturation process will be delayed, and socialization will be faulty.
Toddlers and kiddies learn their ethics mainly by the examples of conduct and character they see, even though they do have the innate capacities of which you have spoken....
...Thus if people are not keenly aware, alert to avoid being gullible, a skillful con-artist can prey upon them, manipulate and exploit them.
For example, the 'Storm Trumpers', the members of the I.C.E. border-patrol who blindly "follow orders" and end up being the private police force of Pres. Donald, ready to do his bidding, just as A. Hitler had his S.S. troops.
Do we want this in the United States of America? If not, take action! Let your voice be heard!
Questions?
Comments?Prismatic567 wrote: I don't think Trump is that bad as what the media has portrayed him to be....
surreptitious75 wrote:Prismatic567 wrote:
my point is given whatever the negatives that arise from the nurturing process that hinder inherent morality to progress
in alignment with its intended purpose [ not teleological ] what should humanity do to manage those neural hindrances ?
I dont think there is one single definitive answer to this question from the perspective of humanity - a simple one size fits all
There are just too many competing philosophies and ideologies in existence for that so it can only work at the individual level
So it is the responsibility of every one to choose the particular one that is best for them - but it is not always obvious what that will be so it takes time
This comes through experience and knowledge so it is an eternal work in progress - but you are only responsible for yourself not the whole of humanity
promethean75 wrote:I am very certain, the next Conservative President of the USA will face similar condemnations from those from the left and vice-versa, it is business as usual driven by Tribalism, us versus them.
Lol you think the conflict here is as simple as tribalism? My dear sir, there is a very real conflict here that doesn't disappear the moment somebody thinks 'gosh this is just tribalism and I should rise above it.'
The conflict here is over property, and there are two categorically different classes involved in this battle. The problem is much more fundamental that something as simple as tribalism.
surreptitious75 wrote:Trump is a very divisive President - half of America loves him and half of them hate him
Even Richard Nixon probably did not generate that degree of animosity and so whats happening today is very new indeed
But its not only about Trump - he is just the acceptable / unacceptable face of something very deep going on over there
The battle is between traditional American values of God and Family and Patriotism against the newer ones of identity politics and social
justice and civil disobedience - but it runs so deep that its wrong to categorise it as merely tribalistic - that explanation is far too simple
thinkdr wrote:Prismatic567 wrote:thinkdr wrote:Thank you, Prismatics, for your relevant and important contribution to the discussion.
Those "nurturing conditions" to which you allude, are cultural factors. They also refer to parenting techniques which themselves are a reflection of the skill-level of the ones doing the nurturing. If parents are ignorant, then the maturation process will be delayed, and socialization will be faulty.
Toddlers and kiddies learn their ethics mainly by the examples of conduct and character they see, even though they do have the innate capacities of which you have spoken....
...Thus if people are not keenly aware, alert to avoid being gullible, a skillful con-artist can prey upon them, manipulate and exploit them.
For example, the 'Storm Trumpers', the members of the I.C.E. border-patrol who blindly "follow orders" and end up being the private police force of Pres. Donald, ready to do his bidding, just as A. Hitler had his S.S. troops.
Do we want this in the United States of America? If not, take action! Let your voice be heard!
Questions?
Comments?Prismatic567 wrote: I don't think Trump is that bad as what the media has portrayed him to be....
since the above post appeared, it became apparent, even to a cont-artist who is the head of a Crme Family, that this policy was not politically effective, the Trumper troops have been withdrawn on July 31, 2020 from Oregon.
As an Ethicist [who has seen-a-thing-or-two due to longevity] and as one who has taught College-level Psychology, my considered judgment is that the man holding such power, a man who is corrupt through-and-through, corrupt to the core, is worse than the media portray him to be. He is the most dangerous man on the planet.
He (very much like the head man in North Korea) is the head of a Death Cult ...taking his supporters down with him. We have seen this before with the Jim Jones experience. Unfortunately, due to his governing incompetence, 180,000 unnecessary deaths have already occurred.
Sixty-or-more psychoanalysts and analytic psychologists have signed on to a diagnosis revealing him to have a Malignant Personality Disorder, characterized by Extreme Narcissism, Authoritarian tendencies, Compulsive lying, inability to admit weakness nor to take responsibility for any mistakes, readiness to blame others, and a readiness to dissimulate, disparage, manipulate others.![]()
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Is this type of character ethical?
Hardly.
Is this what citizens of the USA want in a president? Should an individual with an unethical character get another four years in office?
What do you think?
sacrosanct wrote:ethics is behavioural fluency. it is talking nonesense beautifully. ethics is an art and following it is much more artful. observation and discipline is necessarily intended to be done eloquently. it is something much more deeper, much more profound than contemporary society. it is the presence of chaos amidst order and harmony.
thinkdr wrote:If one wants to be objective one would listen to both sides.
Dr. Justin Frank, in his book TRUMP ON THE COUCH, comes to the conclusion that anyone who makes statements like "The more tests, the more there will be the disease" is on the border of being psychotic. This fellow who is Borderline Psychotic when he first got the job showed us a statement from his own physician, on retainer, saying he was healthy.
The job he has been doing: systematically disabling each important agency of government.
Are you sure you want to re-elect him?
Also see the findings of this deep-thinking radio host who is the author of dozens of books: https://www.thomhartmann.com/podcast
His name is Thom Hartmann.
thinkdr wrote:One who is ethically sensitive would have noticed, during the Republican debate for the party's nomination for President, that Trump's procedure was to disparage and demean his fellow candidates (and bestow on them a childish, derogatory nickname) -- unethical conduct.
Then we learned by hearing his voice on a video, just before he stepped out of the bus he was on, that he bragged about grabbing women by the cr-tch. -- vulgar, crude and unethical without prior consent.
Then, once he got the nomination his authoritarian lack of humility was exhibited when he blared out: "I'm the only one that can save you!!" - unethical.
The judgment that the guy would turn out to be corrupt has been confirmed time and again ...violations of thee Emoluments clause in The Constitution, etc - unethical conduct.
Then came the impeachable offenses which continue to this day. Then when he learned that Russian bounties were paid for the killing of our soldiers in Afghanistan and he made no notice of that, no protest about it, that showed what a great Commander-in-Chief we have. - Utterly incompetent.
Now we are getting hints from Trump that he wants to be President-for-life: he said he might delay the Election, that the results would not be in by Election Day, that he intends to holler, "Fraud!!!"; etc. He has openly admired "Strong Men," such as the ruler in Hungary, and the head man in in Brazil and in The Philippines.
Yes, Biden slips up at times. He may even sound incoherent for a moment. He is, like me, a fallible human being. [My quota is 40 bloops a day.} ...but this is not about me. Rather it is about who is fit to be President. I would argue that Biden is infinitely-better than Trump for that job.
pBTW, of what country are you a citizen, Prismatics?
Prismatic567 wrote:
The fact is DNA wise all humans are programmed with certain generic features to optimize for the whole of humanity
while leaving room for individual freedom within the requirements of the whole
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