a Manifesto

Manifesto: a public declaration of policy and aims…

on some thread, can’t remember which one, but one of the threads spoke
about having an “Agenda” and my name was mentioned… It got me to thinking…

what is my “Agenda?”

why do I write? what do I believe in? What am I advocating?

first of all, I strongly believe that everyone should write out a Manifesto…
a public description of what they are about…what is the point of their beliefs?
Truth be known, most people hold “ad hoc” beliefs, which means they hold
that their solutions are designed for a specific problem or task, non-generalizable,
and not intended to be adapted to other purposes…
so the ‘‘truth’’ is not a universal, transcendental truth, but a localized, problem
specific truth…so the first question we might ask is this, what kind of truths do you hold?
are your truths, ''ad hoc", or can they be used for more generalized problems?

the second question might be this, what is the goal, what is it you are trying to do?
what destination are you trying to get to? What is it you are attempting to do and
how does your goal/destination change what it is you are doing?

One of the problems of the modern world is this, it doesn’t seem to have a goal, or a
destination in mind…an example of this is capitalism… what is the final goal or
destination of capitalism? there doesn’t seem to be one…
to accumulate wealth and goods until the end of time…that seems to me at least,
to be purposeless…there is no end in sight in capitalism…an ever ongoing accumulation
of wealth and goods… but to what end?

and that is one of my questions, but to what end? one might hold to destruction
of society, but to what end? one might hold to the status quo, but to what end?

part of my “agenda” is to “woke” you into thinking about what it means to
human and part of being human is to have some sort of engagement with
the point of existence…to what end do we exist?

it has become quite clear to me and to millions of others, that capitalism
has failed… ok, so change is needed, and I am a big fan of change, but
we must engage with change with some thought as to what is the end game?
what is the point of existence and then we can go about making changes to
reach the final, agreed to end point, or goal…

if we change our economic system, capitalism, to what system should
we change to? and this answer comes from our agreed to goal or destination…
does existence have a point/goal/destination?
and if so, then how can we change our political, economic, social systems
to match that agreed upon goal or destination?

I have mentioned this before, but I liken our current “human” situation to
being like ants or bee’s… we are so involved into our own little world,
thus “keeping our nose to the grindstone” that we forget that we are more
then just worker ants whose only goal is to keep the colony going…

we have more value then just being a “worker ant” and to think of oneself
as just a “worker ant” is to be devalued, dehumanized…
I see billions of human beings, by virtue of being enslaved by the capitalistic
system, being devalued, being dehumanized into “worker ants”…
working only to keep the system going…and this is part of my manifesto,
to “awaken” you to this fact… we cannot, cannot find a solution until
we admit that there is a problem…and we are still at this basic point,
getting to the point of being able to admit that there is a problem…
must we be like drunks or junkies and wait until we hit rock bottom
before we finally admit we have a problem?

Hi, my name is Kropotkin… (hello Kropotkin) I have an addiction…
I am addicted to the accumulation of goods and wealth… I cannot
stop myself from buying more and more crap that I don’t need…and
all of that buying doesn’t benefit me at all… it is simple done to
allow those who own the goods and means of production to get
wealthier and wealthier…all I get out of the capitalistic system
is pittance that barely allows me to survive and then after 40 plus years
of killing myself for capitalism, to keep one step of starvation when I
retire… no, that isn’t what I signed up for?

But Kropotkin, what did you sign up for?

I signed up because I didn’t have a choice… we are not given choices in
our political or economic or social system that we live in…
I wasn’t given a choice and you weren’t given a choice…
and isn’t that the key aspect of capitalism, we are given choices,
but the truth is, the choices that we are given are negligible choices that
means nothing… to what kind of cereal we can buy or what model car
we can afford… the real choices of existence has been taken away from us…
do you have a choice to walk away from capitalism? no, you cannot…
you are “Primed” from birth to feed into the capitalism system,
by going to collage, to having a job/being “productive” to be educated,
to prepare for retirement… all of these have the effects of forcing you into
the “slaughter house” of capitalism… where your only value is to make profits…
you have no other point, or purpose in existence but to make profits for
our corporate overlords… and they get to decide our fate and our
existence…we have no choices in a capitalistic system…

and fundamentally, the point, the goal of existence comes down
to our choices…being human is about the choices we make for ourselves
and our society…and capitalism denies us those choices… we work or
we die of starvation… that isn’t much of a choice and the goal/destination
that is so driven into us, the accumulation of wealth, demands that
we must exploit others to gain that wealth… this is the entire point
of capitalism… the exploitation of other human being… which means
we deny them choices just as we have been denied our choices…

so part of my manifesto is to reclaim that which makes us human,
our ability to make choices…think about it… animals can’t make choices…
their instincts guide them into what “choices” they can make…but we human
beings have risen above our instincts and thus we can make choices that rise
above our instincts…take an honest look at your life and tell me, what choices,
real choices have you actually made? to choose between being a doctor or
a lawyer or an bricklayer is really making choices, it is about making a living…
and why does that particular choice becomes the most important choice
we make in life? make a living as a choice shouldn’t even be in the top ten
choices we get to make about our life…but societies drive for profits,
have turned what should be about the choices we make in life into
no choices at all about who we are and what is our goal in life?..

making a living becomes the dominant choice we get to make about our
life and it is the one choice that has no value for us as human beings…

for working for a living means our entire existence is to make profits,
not to become a better person or a more honest person or to
become a more authentic person for those choices have no place
in the modern/corporate world for those choice don’t lead to profits…
being honest or being more authentic or becoming a better person doesn’t
bring about greater profits and thus is denied by the modern world…
the world couldn’t give a shit if we are honest or brave or authentic
or about becoming a better person because those values don’t create profits…
and so our only choice is about the creation of profits… in which profession we
make our own, will we be able to create more profits?.. that is the modern question,
how do we create more profits… not the question we should be asking, which values
should we desire or what it means to become human… those questions are unimportant
because there is no profits in the “true/real” questions of existence…

and all of this comes back to the point of this, are you aware?
are you aware of what is possible as a human being, which is much
more important then a increase in the GDP this quarter…

my manifesto is simple… what does it mean to be human?

how how do we get to become better human beings?

what does it take to become a more honest or more authentic human being?

questions that the modern world with its ever increasing drive for profits,
couldn’t give a shit about…

who are you? and why does that matter?

have you ever asked yourself that? are you “woke” to your possibilities
as a human being?

questions that we should all be asking ourselves…

Kropotkin

why isn’t philosophy valued anymore?

because it is no longer involved in the questions people should be asking
about… what does it mean to be human and what goals/destination should
we be aiming for? Philosophy has lost touch with what matters in people’s
life… and because it has lost touch with what matter’s, what really matters,
philosophy deserves the obscurity it has become…

philosophy no longer matters because it no longer has a
manifesto that informs philosophy as to what the goal/destination
really is… to become human, not just animal as big corporations
wants or to become animal/human as some of us are, but to become
fully human… the battle is to continue the growth of human beings
from the animals we once were to becoming fully human…
which is having choices and being able to act upon those choices…
the failure of our modern isms’ and ideologies is that they have no choices,
no options for us to act upon…

for philosophy to return to relevance, it must once again inform us
as to what our choices are… and which choice/values are the choices/values
we should be considering… and which values/choices we should make, both
individually and collectively…

for every choice is an individual choice and a collective choice…

so how to make philosophy relevant again?

that is the question…

Kropotkin

What is your manifesto, a question?

K: I have stated, time after time after time, I have no answers…
I only have questions…what does it mean to be human?
What are we to do? what values should we hold? What should I hope for?
how do I go from animal to animal/human to becoming fully human?

a manifesto is a statement about what that person, organization, country
holds to be true and what I hold to be true is the question…
for I cannot vouch for the answers but I can vouch for the questions…

what are your questions?

Kropotkin

as to this question about what it means to be human, I have found that
I can, and could, write a 10,000 page manifesto about what it means to
be human and yet, I cannot hope to compete with such fictional writings
that better encompass what it means to be human far better in 100 or 150 pages
then I could achieve in my 10,000 pages of prose…

Shakespeare in his “Hamlet” can far better answer the question about what it means
to be human then I could ever achieve in my 10,000 pages… or his “Macbeth”
can tell us more about being human than any 1000 books of philosophy you care to
name…

Fictional books are only fictional because they don’t write about a specific, real person
whereas they are far more truthful about the “human condition” because they talk
about ALL human beings, not just a specific one…we “moderns” have dismissed
fictional writing as “not important” and yet because we dismiss it, we fail
to see the reality that fiction brings to the table… the fact is, we can better
discover what it means to be human via fiction then we can via history, economics,
philosophy and sociology… put together…

I can learn more about what it means to be human by the "Foundation Trilogy by
Asimov then I can by reading every book ever written in philosophy or history
for that matter…

for in fiction, we can see people struggling with their choices and that is something
we must become far more mindful of… the role of choices in our lives…
in our modern times, we lack real choice…
and this failure is what has, in part, brought about our alienation and disconnection
to society, the state, each other and to ourselves…

for as far as I can see, picking a career is no more important then
picking a cereal and with about as much choice… a reminder, that
all the many cereals in the cereal isle is owned by just 5, FIVE companies…
you have no real choice outside of those 5 cereal companies… and that
means you don’t have a choice…

because every choice is simply a choice given to you by the
capitalistic system and meant to force you into choosing
how you are going to help create profits, and that is the real
possibility in our lives… how are we going to help create more profits in
society? every other choice is rejected and denied…the only choice
we have is how we are going to help capitalism create profits…
and that isn’t a choice…

but fiction can help us see what possibilities, real possibilities we might have,
as human beings… so if you want to know what it means to be human?
I say, read fiction… and the best fiction is the one that answers the question,
what does it mean to be human?

Kropotkin

So you are about questions instead of answers since you do not think choices exist, how are you choosing your questions?

:laughing: :wink:

And if having 5 options isn’t a choice - is having 10 having choice? 100? 10,000?

At what point do we finally accept that we have choice?

K: this is a misreading of what I have said…

the point of being human is to have choices… no choice, no being human…
as Marx once said, “Man is born free and yet everywhere is in chains”…

and I disagree with his first conclusion, we are born in chains and everywhere
we are in chains…

we are born in the chain of having no choices in our lives…we are born into
a society that prevents us from having choices, leaves us no choices…
and the point of being human is to have choices…

I don’t believe that the choice of a profession, a career is a choice
because all roads lead to the only goal in life which is profits…
a person only has value in society if they create profits… no profits,
no value…it is that simple…and I reject the simplistic
vision of what it means to be human…

we are devalued, dehumanized in our modern world because of its
relentless and I mean relentless search for profits… all values are tied
up into this search for profits… which means we don’t, society doesn’t hold
to values like love or honesty or peace or hope because these values don’t
bring in profits… our society has failed because it is so focused on profits
to the exclusion of everything else…but that still leaves us with a question,
or rather many questions, if we are human and we reject the current value
which is the search for profits, then what values should we replace this drive
for profits?

I reject the drive for profits, ok great, what should replace that value?

both individually and, and this is most important, collectively…

so we don’t spend our lives seeking out profits, so what should we spend our lives
on? what values make our lives worth living if not the search for profits?

I hold that the search for profits is a low laying, animal instinct…
not worthy of human values… of being fully human… so what values
are worth seeking that makes us human, fully human?

and that is the question…

Kropotkin

K: so what choices do you believe you have?

Kropotkin

So if I believe I have choices - that changes what choices I have? :confused:

K: your “answer” suggests to me that you haven’t given a second thought to this
problem…as with every answer you give, it is based on instinct and “gut feeling”…
I hope someday that you actually give some thought to the questions that are
really important, not just your conspiracy theories, but to the questions of
existence…‘‘what does it mean to be human?’’ “what are we to do?”
“What values are the really important values?” ‘‘what can we know?’’

for once in your life, actually think about something… but I won’t hold my breath…
modern man, of which you are a very good representative, don’t and perhaps can’t
think their way out of a paper bag…

Kropotkin

And that answers another question asked on a different thread -

Your response probably reflects “what cats think of people”. :wink:

K: and avoiding the questions of existence…for heavens sake…
make a stand and try to answer the questions of existence…
“what am I to do?” “What values should I hold?” “What does it mean to be human?”
instead of engaging in what a cat may or may not think…
who gives a shit? the cat certainly doesn’t…

Kropotkin

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A manifesto?

Are you going to go out and kill a bunch of people now?

That takes courage. PK is trying to get others to do it so he doesn’t have to (it’s in his genes - it was in his last State injection). :smiley:

I wonder how long it will be before we hear - “I’m innocent - the State made me do it!” :frowning:

K: and why would I do that? Manifesto’s have a long history…
the “Communist Manifesto” for example to name just one…
and the “Communist Manifesto” came out in 1849? I believe…
The Dada Manifesto… written in 1916 in Zurich Switzerland…

another Manifesto is “Mein Kampf” by Hitler…

as well as the Russell-Einstein Manifesto in 1955…

one might even consider the “Declaration of Independence” as being
a Manifesto…

Kropotkin