what Kropotkin is aiming for.....

Gloominary: It is a anti-white, misandrist organization with Marxist overtones"
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G: For me, any law which discriminates against whites is anti-white, no matter the ‘justification’ or intent behind it, period, I will not stand for being discriminated against on the basis of my race.

K: but you seem to be quite ok with laws discriminating against others…
Jim crows laws for example, which quite clearly discriminated against blacks…
when I lived in Fla circa 1970, I could still see the evidence of those laws…
you seem to be ok with those types of laws…

G:
Affirmative action and so called ‘Native American’ (Native Americans don’t exist, they’re a social construct) Reservations are anti-white, but BLM wants to take it a step further, they want diversity quotas, reparations, black only hospitals, police departments and schools.
The founders/leaders of BLM are admittedly trained Marxists.
They also want to deny fathers equal rights over children.
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K: there is so much confusion in this part of your answer, I am not sure how to respond…
ok, let us try this… do Italians exists? or do the Irish exists? by your thought, they too
could be a “social construct”… now as far as your thought on “reservations?”
do you mean, the “reservations” that the whites forced the Native Americans
onto over a century ago…I knew an Native American lady, who grew up on one of
those “Reservations” and she didn’t have running water or electricity until she was
12…and she didn’t grow up speaking english… it was her second language… and yet she
grew up in North Dakota… you mean that social construct? Nationalism by
definition is a social construct… being an “American” is a social construct…

the next part of this confusion of yours is this “the founders/leaders of BLM are
admittedly trained Marxists” and so the fuck what does that have to do with
the price of tea? you sound like those idiots like Observ and UR…
as far as I can tell, BLM has already run its course… it will hang on of course,
but it won’t amount too much… it was born of the moment and will die a long,
lingering death…we have moved on…but I shall in another post respond further to this…

and as far as reparations go, I have in an earlier thread, said that I felt
reparations are a bad idea… but once again, you just announced a point,
leave it without context… what is the context of denying fathers equal rights
over children… that is pretty much the legal standard in America today…

you say they want diversity quota’s, black only hospitals, police, and schools…
once again, everything is about context… in what context do they want these
things? in your overimagined reading of things, you might have mistaken BLM
demand for wanting more police to be black and the higher ups of police, to be black…
and that is a good thing… you might imagine that to mean they want “separate”
police force… again, be clear exactly what you mean by "BLM
wanting X, Y, and Z…WHAT is X, Y, and Z?

now connect the dots… you seem to think everything is a “Marxist”
organization…how is BLM an Marxists organization? what defines it
as being a Marxist organization? once again, context matter…

Now I know you are going to say, its leaders are Marxists, so BLM is Marxists"
but I hope you aren’t that lazy… for example, one might say, I am a republican…
but which GOP do they belong to? there are at least three distinct GOP parties
right now… you have to get into the weeds to work out which GOP party they
might belong to… you have to have context…

Kropotkin

Fuck me, I really gotta deal with all this shit?
Can’t I just say shit sometimes without having to debate every single point?
I think people who aren’t way out in left field on this will already get the gist of what I’m saying.
I’m running out of patience here.

Are you okay with Jim Crow laws as Peter has accused you? Peter tries to justify the politics of today with the past that has been changed for the better as if he and you are existing in 1960 now. Yes, Gloom justify your present existence against a past you had no part in.

Also, has Peter accepted BLM as a Marxist organization after you provided proof? Or is he trying to deny it with his example of three GOP parties, which surely makes them not real GOP parties.

You’re puttin words in my mouth.

Most ‘natives’ are mostly white genetically.
‘Natives’ don’t even have to be mostly native to qualify for benefits.

Conditions on reservations have vastly improved.

They’re leaders of a sociopolitical organization advocating far left policies, not to mention thousands of them are committing acts of terror you fucking idiot.
If BLM leadership isn’t directly encouraging acts of terror, at the very, very least they’re not doing enough to discourage it.
Marxism itself is pro-revolutionary violence.

If there was a sociopolitical organization advocating far right policies, whose founders/leaders were admitted trained Fascists/Nazis, and thousands of their members were committing acts of terror, are you telling me you wouldn’t be the least bit concerned?
Of course you would be you fucking hypocrite.

If the manager of a McDonald’s posts on facebook or twitter he’s a Fascist/Nazi, he’ll be doxed, fired and his life will be pretty well ruined, meanwhile dems roll out the red carpet for Marxists, the double standard is glaring.

To tens of millions of Americans Marxism has the same connotations as Fascism/Nazism, and for good reason, it lead to the slaughter of hundreds of millions of people, often on the basis of their ethnicity/religion.

You don’t just sound like an idiot, you are a fucking idiot.

You stupid fuck, radical left and right politics aren’t coming to NA and the EU, they’re here, with every year sociopolitical, economic and racial tensions grow, we haven’t seen the last of BLM and far left hate groups like it.
If you think radical left and right politics are miraculously confining themselves to the 20th century, you got another thing coming.

Why stop at affirmative action and diversity quotas, why not reparations?

They want to take it even further, give more rights to mothers at the expense of fathers.

BLM = everything?

Now let’s get 'really philosophical" about it away from the maddening crowd.

Ism’s and schisms are very very pass by now, and are definitionally deconstructed and are really benkrupt.

What really matters, most is the constructed notion of the idea of the melting pot. Even Capital is on a disaster course, or at least the ideals which has so long supported it, bug what matters here is the vampiristic ad lib suck of essential humanism from the whole system, which so far has been on a total decline, .

The NWO, as a mode of rehabilitation has failed in the West for various reasons, overcumming Spengler’s pessimistic forewarence by skips and jumps.

The soul of man has been held at bay by Black soul, and sorry to say, if has literary been done by the use of musical chairs.

The market’s appeal did not happen yesterday, but has been a eroding road, where working for consumption for most has become a market full of declining quality. However, the attractions an equally continental euroethnic historicism has also lost it’s glimmer, especially since the dialectically materially minded Russian empire list it’s attractive duplicity since Peter I, who wanted a Petersburg to rival Paris as the hub of civilidation.

Add to the fate of the Russian serf, the very late fate of the American black man is merely a topping for an over baked pie.

Soooo?

The handwriting on the wall went south into the political manure, and it’s codification has refused to be decoded.

Ssystemic and systematic overhaul of the financial system has been predicated a long time ago, and management by oversight by wordily unified systems of exchange .

If the discussion can be democratically reduced to an either or grass roots level of participation, then a lot of mystery could be knocked out from under it, rather then politicians talking in and around in codes.

They’re founders/leaders are Marxists, they’re pushing far left policies, they’re committing violence en masse, if they’re not calling for the wholesale nationalization of the economy just yet, it’s only because they’re gradualists and they know this shit takes time.
Clearly they’re working towards that objective.
That they’re not denouncing the violence their members are committing makes their founders/leaders and the whole organization complicit in it.
They’re a Marxist, terrorist hate group.

I accuse her of something, that is for sure…but I can not accuse her of something I believe she is too lazy and too stupid to understand and in turn making her understanding a part of her beliefs…

…she could do with losing a few pounds too…

More like, from the horse’s arse. I don’t think she really knows what she believes in, actually.

My money is on her not knowing fuck all about Marxism. Maybe she read some article in some magazine that she got from some newsstand…tickling her ears…despite what she claims…

It looks like she just finished masturbating. At best, I would call it Barxism - to illustrate: her bark is worse than her bite as far as her understanding is concerned…then I have to wonder about her accusers too…does it appear that she is talking a lot about Marxism in this video aside from her stated belief…?..so, up to the minute twenty mark she says hardly anything - to me she is saying nothing…then the big moment when she states her belief…she says a little more of nothing after the big moment and then a little bit of crap about Martin Luther King and COVID…blah blah blah…the video is actually…pretty…awful…she likes making videos…does not seem to bring things together very well…mish mash followed by…ring that motherfucking bell(her words)…

Four minutes and thirty-four seconds of my life I am never going to get back…another rabbit hole, Alice…

Seems like the people on both sides of the argument here could not analyse(or for that matter fight) their way out of a shithouse. The argument being, what is presented in the video - not this thread.

For the sake of completion I guess I should add a definition - tickling […] ears: People saying or suggesting things to others to please them even though what they say is untrue just for the sake of winning them over - taken from Collins(online dictionary)as a suggestion for definition to be added. Link to Collins - this saying has been around for a while. It also means filling your head with only what you like…I would suggest to the point of not having a philosophy of concepts that are complementary to each other - meaning the person is in conflict with themselves - such a person is not worth following…it is not worth jumping on their bandwagon…whatever…maybe when she as co-founder, not founder comes back with something solid(as in real knowledge) instead of inciting emotion will she be good for her side.

…in any case, one has to learn to fight their way out of a shithouse before harping on about things id est learn to analyse properly…or get off of the high horse…

What’s kroping up today, Kropotkin?

Zookers - you really are nutters - not just the communist pundit I thought.

Is that a trait of all communists? Is that why they had to make so many Americans so uneducated and mindless - so as to increase their number? - BLM, antifa, woke liberals? - Are they all as horridly inept?

You really believe that “1+1=2” is just a speculative white-man theory?

Have you ever heard the word “definition”? Or the term “definition of a word or symbol”? It might be new to you so let me explain -

The statement that “1+1=2” serves as a definition for what the symbol “2” means.

“2” (of anything) means 1 of something plus another 1 of that something - “2” = “1+1” (of anything)

It is an explanation of what symbols mean - NOT a speculative theory of what might be true.

It’s no wonder the “progressives” are so digressive.

obsrvr, you evil white man (I presume), did you really just say 1+1=2??

No no - I said “2 = 1 + 1”.

“1+1=2” means “1+1 is an expression that represents the same number represented by the symbol 2”. It’s a statement about language. It’s similar to saying “In English language, the word apparent and the word obvious mean one and the same thing”. And since language is part of the world, the two statements are indeed stating sonething about yhe world.

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Lol, yea Patrisse doesn’t strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer.
She’s probably largely being told what to think and say by whoever trained her.
In another video she said she and her cofounders are trained Marxists.
Her handlers may be sincere racial Marxists, on the other hand they be wealthy, powerful people who’re just using it in the same way the catholic church and many televangelists are just using Christianity.
Something to hide behind and selectively apply when convenient and selectively discard when inconvenient.

Sometimes the best way to defeat or keep the opposition at bay is to lead it.
Why wouldn’t the corporatocracy wear the BIPOC/humanitarian face if the masses are foolish enough to take them at face value while they practice slave labor in the undeveloped world?
Today especially it’s all about brand, marketing.

Notice how corporate dems weaponized ‘me-too’ against their enemies like Kavanaugh and Trump then forgot all about it when shit came out about Biden?
Not everybody in me-too were willing to give Biden a pass, die-hards like Rose McGowan wanted to hold Biden accountable, but corporate dems were ready to move on, so they ditched Rose and anyone else who put principle before party (not that I support me-too and its ‘believe all women’ bullshit, just sayin’ at least Rose and a handful of others were sincere), and by and large it’s corporate dems who control the narrative.

In the same way they used BLM, regardless of whether it’s controlled opposition or not, to help bring down Trump.
It’ll be interesting to see how much attention BLM gets now that Trump’s gone, I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets less than in 2020, altho it could get as much or more, but regardless the MSM by and large serves the corporatocracy, as do the vast majority of dems and reps.

One wonders where they hang out now that they had to wack Epstein.

Exactly, where was ‘me-too’ and the corporate media on Epstein?
Where are they on Ghislaine Maxwell?
Of course the ruling class was in cahoots with them and a thousand other wealthy pedophile pimps operating under their protection.

All sorts of interesting meetings must happen on those sex islands. And obviously you can think of the raped children as non-disclosure agreements.

They definitely have a new Madame now organizing meetings and such.

Maybe BLM was born at just such a charming reunion of minds.

To be fair, they probably want to not get wacked like Epstein.

While Patrisse may not know much about Marxism, or anything for that matter, some in her movement clearly do.

For more info, see this page:

https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=197077&start=125

It’s not pretty, but I had to deal with an asshole or two therein, so bear with it.

[b]Black Los Angeles Demands in Light of COVID-19 and Rates of Black Death

https://www.blmla.org/newsfeed/2020/4/16/black-los-angeles-demands-in-light-of-covid-19-and-rates-of-black-death

Black people are dying at two-three times our population share from COVID-19. In Los Angeles County, the rate of Black death is twice our population share, with Black people constituting 9% of the County population, but 17% of the COVID-19 deaths. With nearly 900,000 Black residents in the County and 403,000 Black residents in the City (the eighth highest number of any city in the United States), what happens in Los Angeles has serious national implications. While several initiatives have been launched nationally, state-wide and locally, none speak to the particular needs of the Black community. The disproportionate and deadly impact of COVID-19 on the Black community magnifies what we have known, that “underlying conditions” result from an enduring system of racial apartheid and oppression. Interlocking economic, political, and social injustices collide with long-standing patterns of medical racism to make COVID-19 a Black issue that demands a response specific to the needs of the Black community.

The demands were developed by a coalition of more than 50 Black Los Angeles-based community leaders. Included are both immediate demands meant for emergency implementation during the Coronavirus crisis, and long-term demands, necessary to eradicate the underlying conditions that are at the root of the disproportionate impact of the public health crisis and economic fallout.

The drafted demands respond to the urgency of the moment in light of the COVID-19 crisis and related fallout. To address the demands, a significant share of stimulus and public funding must be earmarked as grants for the Black community and ongoing program funding should be redirected from police and law enforcement budgets to provide resources that bring real public safety. While the list is substantial, it was written under severe time-constraints and is not meant to be exhaustive or inclusive of the total set of Black community needs.

Immediate Demands:

Testing, Public Health, and Patient Rights

1. Complete collection and release of Los Angeles County and California data on COVID-19 cases and deaths, with particular focus on areas with large Black populations.
   

2. Universal access to non-invasive testing in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.
   

3. Any COVID-19-related testing or future vaccinations must be voluntary, not mandatory or conditional for employment, education, access to public resources, or any other economic, political, or social functioning.
   

4. Prohibit sharing non-COVID-19-related medical information and required destruction of COVID-19-related medical records held by entities other than direct healthcare providers, including government and private parties, to preserve patient privacy rights.
   

5. Collection of self-identified racial, gender, income, age, occupation, employment-status, geographic residency, and housing-status data at first point of medical contact.
   

6. No forced removal of people from their homes under the guise of quarantine, or for any other reason.
   

7. Allowance for a support partner and medical advocate of patient’s choosing during any procedure or treatment, and, if needed at time of death.
   

8. On-demand, free medical care for Black residents of Los Angeles County during the COVID-19 crisis.
   

Education and Families

9. Adoption of all Students Deserve education demands by Los Angeles Unified School District and all districts County-wide.
   

10. Continuance of visitation and reunification programs (in distance-learning format as necessary) for parents with children under the authority of the Department of Children and Family Services, and freezing of reunification timelines.

Support for Black Workers and Small Business Owners

11. Public contracting with Black-owned restaurants and stores for healthy food and supply delivery during the pandemic and beyond.

12. Resources, not “enforcement,” for Black-owned businesses that have not been able to shut down during the crisis.

13. Guaranteed, timely assistance filing for economic resources, including unemployment and small business loans and grants.

14. Support for Black essential workers, especially those who are underpaid (including gig economy workers), by providing hazard pay, protective equipment, hotel rooms to mitigate the possibility of passing the virus to family members, and an ongoing livable wage and paid sick leave.

15. Income supplement of $2000 per month per adult and $1000 per month per child for all Black residents for the duration of the pandemic and economic fallout.

Public Safety

16. Employ properly-equipped, non-violent, community care workers as neighborhood resources, instead of expanding patrols by funding police and law enforcement.

17. Funding for neighborhood-based community care plans in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

18. Moratorium on all non-violent arrests.

19. Dismissal of all non-violent criminal warrants and citations.

Housing

20. On-demand, safe housing and supportive resources for unsheltered people and those fleeing unsafe conditions in unused hotel and motel rooms and vacant housing units.

21. Cancellation of rents and mortgages, and replacement of rental income to non-corporate Black property owners until the pandemic and economic fallout subsides.

22. Stop all sweeps of houseless settlements and provide bathrooms, showers, hand washing stations, soap, water, laundry vouchers, dumpsters, vermin abatement, and cleaning supplies.

Criminal Justice Reform

23. Immediate release of all people who are pretrial, bail-eligible, elderly, youth, pregnant, infirmed, immuno-comprimised and those held on parole/probation violations or infractions/non-serious misdemeanors from jails or detention.

24. Immediate release of all people who are parole-eligible, parole-suitable, elderly, youth, pregnant, infirmed, immuno-comprimised and those held on parole violations or non-violent felonies from prisons.

25. Provision of free housing, healthcare, food resources, and community reintegration support (including help acquiring documents like legal identification) for all people returning from prison, jail, or detention.

26. Continuance of rehabilitative programs offered by community-based organizations to incarcerated people who will not be released through distance-learning to allow them to continue to earn time off their sentences.

27. Mandatory usage of personal protective equipment (PPE) by all correctional staff in jails and prisons and provision of PPE to all incarcerated people.

Transportation

28. Free public transportation for all for the duration of the pandemic and economic fallout.

29. Cancellation of fare evasion citations on public transportation.

Other Resources

30. Funding to provide free, culturally-competent funeral and burial/cremation services for COVID-19 deaths.

31. Resources for culturally-competent community education on safer-at-home practices led by Black organizers and educators, with a corresponding prohibition of arrests, fines, and citations in response to safer-at-home violations.

32. Provision of free face-coverings and gloves at all COVID-19 testing sites, food distribution centers, open public facilities, grocery stores, restaurants, and essential businesses.

Long Term Demands:

Reparations

33. Reparations for all Black victims of COVID-19 (or their families in cases of death), who were unable to get support due to the lack of testing, access to healthcare, and/or overall medical racism.

Healthcare

34. Universal, quality, accessible healthcare.

35. Funding for Black-led, culturally-competent, free exercise and wellness classes in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

36. Funding for free culturally-competent counseling and mental health resources for Black residents of Los Angeles County.

37. Medical education that centers cultural-competency, and interrogates implicit bias and anti-Black racism and ongoing retraining of medical professionals in these areas.

Environment

38. Funding for organizations that address and work to remedy overarching environmental racism in Black communities.

Food Security

39. Weekly farmers markets in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

40. Vouchers for fresh produce for Black residents of Los Angeles County that are universally accepted at all places that sell food.

41. Funding for culturally-competent healthy eating and food preparation classes run by Black-led organizations.

42. Creation and maintenance of urban farmland and urban farming education in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

43. Funding for Black organizations to start and support maintenance of home-based gardens in Black communities throughout the County, especially South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Skid Row, Compton, and Inglewood.

Education

44. Recruitment of and scholarships for Black students to pursue careers in healthcare, including naturopathy and holistic medicinal practices.

45. Funding for Black scholarships, student recruitment, retention, and graduation initiatives at Charles Drew University.

46. Guaranteed admission, scholarship, and support programming for Black students to all public colleges and universities.

Housing

47. Declare housing as a human right and provide universal permanent housing for all.

Criminal Justice Reform

48. Automatic diversion services for all arrests of those under age 25, covering all offenses

49. Funding for and prioritization of alternatives to incarceration.

Public Safety

50. Prioritization of culturally-competent community solutions and resources to address public safety, including livable wage jobs, mental health services, after school programs, and community care workers, instead of police and law enforcement.

Transportation

51. Free public transportation for all, beginning with K-12 youth and seniors.

52. Double MTA schedule and make service available 24-hours-per-day and 7-days-per-week.

Other Resources

53. Free, quality, universal childcare.

54. Provide ample high quality, safe, accessible recreational spaces and cultural services including: parks, facilities, programs, and special events.

55. Financial incentives to create and maintain worker-controlled cooperatives.[/b]