J'accuse these people of lying.....

As always - the ILP Commie Club icon - always accusing his enemies of exactly what he does (and is).

Anyone surprised? :confused:

K: and what truth about yourself have you offered up?
none, just attacks against me… give us something about your views
that make them “truer” then my beliefs? why your beliefs instead of mine?

try to make an argument instead of a decree… a statement without context…

Kropotkin

Obsrvr. I’d ban you for your reply to peters post.

It’s unresponsive trolling that makes you the person projecting.

If I thought you were capable of having a discussion or even debate without being nothing more than deflection, lying, and communist punditry - I might engage - but having seen observed you - :laughing:

I can’t get a dog to see color no matter how much I argue with him. Why would I want to just give him another excuse to whine, bark, and piss on the floor?

Obsrvr,

Your really lucky that we’re decent people. You’re not.

Neither Peter or I will report you.

I break down walls of projection which is why Peter doesn’t talk to me.

You, on the other hand, politics aside. You troll the fuck out of people.

Peter put a lot of thought into his post, and you’re just trying to hurt his feelings. That’s unacceptable behavior.

K: and we reach the run away time, as usual for those liars…they never want to engage
in any type of discussion about the values we should hold, both individually
and collectively…so they make shit up and then run away from
any discussion…observe certainly wouldn’t want any real truth to hit him…
because that might cause him to doubt his beliefs and that is what most important
to these liars… their self image never be doubted or challenged…
we certainly wouldn’t want observe to become “woke” to the truth…
“woke” as in aware of what is real and what isn’t…

reality is something to run away from, never to approach… because if
one approaches the truth, you might get a dose of reality and begin to
doubt those values you have been indoctrinated with, like god, country,
and truth…

Kropotkin

Obsrvr,

If you want to debate anyone about this post that Peter made, debate me.

I think Peter has me on ignore.

I’ll defend this mans right to say heartfelt things and not be trolled for it.

EC, Peter’s entire thread is ad hominem by calling people: Obsrvr, Gloom, Joker and I of being liars without even offering any proof. Pk’s thread is a troll. Report this by all means.

But you have to understand. Trump is a moron.

Peter has every right to say so. If you ask me? Every president has been a moron.

I like peters argument better than yours.

I just said I wouldn’t report obsrvr… neither would Peter … but has the right to call trump supporters idiots.

WendyDarling:
EC, Peter’s entire thread is ad hominem by calling people: Obsrvr, Gloom, Joker and I of being liars without even offering any proof. Pk’s thread is a troll. Report this by all means.
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K: and yet, I offer up plenty of proof… I give examples, for example, I mention
the search for justice… does anyone of the liars ever list the values they
hold to be true? nope, they just attack me for being “Marxist” without ever
engaging in some understanding of the concept of justice…Is justice a value
we should engage with? reading them, no one would know…or what about
the value of freedom? is that a value we should be engage with? reading and thinking
about what values should we hold? not should we attack Kropotkin because he doesn’t believe
in what I believe in?

and as a sidelight, I actually don’t even write for the 10 to 15 people who post
here regularly… I write for the 10 to 100 people who silently read each post
without ever responding… I write for them… the “silent majority” as it were…

I am trying to engage with those who read us without posting…
I want them to engage with their thoughts about what it means to
be human or what it means to be an American? “What are we to do?”
“What values should we hold?” “what are we to believe in?”

in other words, I want those silent types to engage in an examination
of their own values and what it means to hold those values…for values
have consequences… and what are the consequences for the value of,
say freedom? or the consequences of the value of Justice?

what are the values worth holding? I hope the silent types engage in that
type of search for values worth holding? Even if they don’t report it back to us,
at least they are doing something that the liars and the conservatives won’t do…
which is engage in the values we hold and see if those values are really the values
we should be engage with or should we try to hold/engage with other values?

what truths are worth holding to and why?

Kropotkin

So you support ad hominem and ad hominem threads that troll specific individuals who do not agree with you or Peter. Then, you add more ad hominems by calling us idiots as well.

Spirits, witness the abuse EC piles on people who do not think as he does? I expect karmic justice. :-"

Wendy… karma is just how many people like you or don’t. It can shift massively even in one day!!

Upwards or downwards.

Wendy, I know more about this than you now.

Let me tell you what a real state of the union address is:

“There are two problems with existence…

The exclusive pleasurable access problem and the negative zero sum problem … in the meantime … it’s about making as many friends as you can have or afford.”

That’s a REAL state-of-the-art union address. Not the crap they throw out. Meaning, Wendy, meaning. Truth, Wendy, truth.

Get it now?

EC, report when your reckoning occurs, please. I’m curious if the spirits no longer favor your actions and your plans.

You must be one of the very few who don’t have Ecmandu on ignore. :confused:

Wendy,

I make spirits feel like shit.

My spirit can’t feel pleasure unless every spirit is in their personal heaven forever.

What I say is this:

There’s got to be a way to know for sure that we’re not harming a living being no matter what we do while still having all our desires met.

That’s heart Wendy.

You know who hates me? (and it’s lots of spirits in denial) spirits who think existence is perfect.

But… I also have support from honest spirits.

The cool thing about my spirit though is that it permeates forgiveness for others in their own spirits, because they didn’t understand.

I have a really amazing spirit for “stop beating yourself up”, if that makes any sense.

I agree that justice is more important than freedom.

But one doesn’t come about by the reduction of the other.

Justice produces freedom as a side-effect, maybe.

We currently live in a shitty universe. All of us are in hell at various levels. That’s not acceptable.

Sigh, PK, you are such a drama queen. #-o
We discuss our positions and reasons for holding them all the time.
But by all means, hold onto this myth only ‘leftwingers’ have the courage to examine themselves, their beliefs and values while evil ‘rightwingers’ like myself and Mr. J (even tho both of us are fiscally leftwing and environmentally and socially I hold some leftwing positions) just have kneejerk reactions to things, if it helps you sleep.

K: I have pointed out in many diverse and different ways how I have attacked my positions…
I have created threads attacking Liberalism… I have attacked Obama, I have attacked both
Hilary and Bill clinton…I have publicly attacked Marxism… I have stated what I
believed in AND Why I hold these these positions…I have created context to
my positions and have stated why these beliefs fit reality more then other beliefs…

the right winger makes grand and bold statements, but they leave out context…
why hold to fiscally conservative beliefs? give us some context? looking at
American economic history, looking at history and the economic results of
that history, we can clearly see that the country does far better, economically,
under the Dems then under GOP administrations…look back
at our economic history since 1920, it is clear that America does far better
under DEM administractions…and the standard argument goes, what about Raygun?
and I submit that Uncle Ronnie was one of the 5 worst presidents in American history…

you did well in the 1980’s if you were upper class or part of the1%, everyone else
got screwed, used and tattooed… a great deal of our problems today stem
from Raygun’s fucking over America…the quite clearly racist “war on drugs”
to the wholesale attacks on the working poor and the minorities in this country…
to the massive increase in the militarization of the police to dramatic decrease
in income for the average minority person in this country…
to the attack on labor unions which has weakened both the rights and income of
the average American…

why hold fiscally conservative when they have failed time and tIme again?

Kropotkin