Philosophy ILP style

Okay, we both have clocks based on some physical process.

Where did this come from and how does it follow from what you just wrote?

Conventional clocks can only record periods of 12 hours, some 24 hours.

It takes light 21 years to get there, and 21 years to get back, but you claim you made the trip in 6 years. You are saying you traveled at 7c. You are saying that you are 7 times faster than light. You are saying that you can make the round trip 7 times in the amount of time it takes light to make the trip once.

If a clock doesn’t agree with the speed of light then it did not keep accurate time. Period!

You can wave your hands and scream all you want to that you trust your clock, and look I didn’t get any wrinkles, and my cat is still alive, but the bottom line is that you are claiming to have traveled 7 times faster than light!

No. It still took 42 years based on the original reference point and based on that original reference point the speed of travel was 0.99c.

You are claiming you traveled 42 light years in 6 years. That is the speed of 7c.

What do you mean “based on that original reference point?”

It is 42 light years in distance round trip. Your clock says 6 years. That is the speed of 7c.

If it was 10 feet in distance round trip, and your clock said you made the trip in 1 second, then your speed was 10 ft/sec.

It is speed, which is distance/time. It has nothing to do with cats or wrinkles!

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Time is an experience… everything is a by-product of something else ad-infinitum.

What happened as time progressed is people misunderstood, or intentionally misrepresented basic measurements of distance and time.

They ignored the standards, and created their own BS. Other people flocked around them like they were some great movie star. They printed it in papers, played it on the news, brainwashed (I mean taught) people at the University, etc…

After a while, anyone who claims they are FOS is labeled an outcast! Outrageous!

It’s like the old story about telling something to somebody, which in turn tells it to someone else, and they tell it to someone else. In the end, the story is nothing like it was originally told.

Dare you be the one to claim the last person’s tale was BS, that’s not how it was originally told. You’d be labeled a witch and burned at the stake! LOL

I mean that you can’t switch arbitrarily from one frame of reference to another. The measured time and distance depends on fast you are moving. The planet looks 3 light years away at 0.99c.

So how do you account for the experimental results?

Looks has nothing to do with it.

The distance was measured with light, which is the same as clocks and rulers. If you took meter sticks and measured it, it would be 299,792,458 x 60 x 60 x 24 x 365.25 x 42 meters round trip. That is the distance roundtrip, measured with rulers.

The time it takes light to make the trip is 42 years, as measured by the stay at home clock, which is the standard duration of time, when speaking of “light years.”

Frame of reference is BS! It has nothing to do with the actual measured distance, and actual measured time for light to make the trip.

This is not perception, or illusion, or “how you see it,” it is MEASURED STANDARDS, AS DEFINED! The speed of light is DEFINED, and creates a standard Meter, based on the standard second.

Your claimed speed of “.99c” at the beginning of the trip is putting the cart before the horse. The speed of your trip, according to your watch was 7c, not .99c.

…my summation of existence itself.

Using your method of measuring distance and time, you mean? If they calculate distance and time like you do, in their results, then their results are BS, like yours are!

Your BS results match a BS theory perfectly! LOL

No.

How do YOU, with YOUR method of measurement, account for the experimental results?

This for example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2 … experiment

Again, changing clock rates are not keeping accurate time, whether it’s atomic clocks or a $1 digital clock you buy at the Dollar store. If the clock disagrees with the speed of light it is absolutely wrong.

Time is not what a clock reads. Clocks can change rates. If a clock changes rate it did not keep accurate time.

Having two synchronized atomic clocks on Earth, that are known to keep accurate time, and sending one on a trip and checking it’s time when it returns is a test of how accurate the clock keeps time if sent on a trip.

If the traveling clock reads anything different than the stay at home accurate clock, then the clock that went on a trip did not keep accurate time.

The ONLY way for that traveling clock to go out of synch with the stay at home clock is for it to have changed rate. If it changed rate it did not keep accurate time. Period!

And according to you, why did the clocks on the airplanes not keep accurate time?

We have their explanation : relativistic effects of velocity and gravity. What’s yours?

…the result of a constant redefining of an original definition borne from a thought?

You have to have 1 standard of distance, and 1 standard of time, otherwise anyone can make up their own BS and claim they are correct.

They are entitled to make their own standard of time, but they are not entitled to call that different standard the same thing as the set standard. They are not entitled to call their standard of time a second, because a second is already defined.

Likewise, they can not look at what I call a horse, and claim that is a pig. Outrageous!

Nobody would know what anyone was talking about if they all just called horses and pigs cows and chickens!

It’s a moot point of WHY they didn’t keep accurate time, the point is that they DIDN’T keep accurate time.

If a clock doesn’t keep accurate time when it travels at a high rate of speed, then find a different device that DOES keep accurate time.

Light speed is CONSTANT in space. Light travels a specific distance in a specific duration of time. If light travels 299,792,458 meter sticks, that is 1 second of duration of time.

Moot???

That’s the part that you are investigating. That’s the science part. #-o

There is no such device. They are all equally “inaccurate”. :laughing:

No, A clock is used to keep accurate time. You can’t claim an inaccurate clock is correct just because that is your clock and that is what it reads.

Go get a cheap clock and set it to the standard Eastern Time, and then come back when your cat dies. Is the clock still ticking? Is it still reading Eastern Time? No? Then according to you, it’s your clock, and it’s accurate because that is what it reads. You see how silly that argument is? That is the exact same argument you are making when you claim your clock that reads 6 years to travel a 42 light year journey.
Your clock DID NOT keep accurate time. Deal with it!

Again, if light travels 299,792,458 meter sticks, that is 1 second.