I think it’s simply called ‘abstinence’. I’ve rarely dated, and I prefer it that way… though if I met someone that really truly got me, they’d getmy attention, as I’m not interested in anything less.
Such preferences are personal to the individual… the same as who we’re attracted to, in that that cannot be dictated either… arranged marriages, not permitting.
I’ve met people that are into all manner of things, but I’ve never made them my manner of things. I’m a voyeur of life, not a partaker… tho I don’t like being p’d off or annoyed by others, when being talked all manner of tripe to.
The 70s sexual revolution? Go you!
I’ve found, that more people are sexually subversive, than not… each to their own, huh.
I’m happy for you, and others, no matter what your sexual choices may be… as mine should also be, for you, and others.
I’ve only just read your/this post, as I’ve been incrementally replying to it… I wasn’t expecting that last/quoted part ^^^ lol
…and what is your ‘own frame of mind’, in regard to this matter?
…perhaps this might help you understand, more optimally.
…if I haven’t achieved any of that ^^^ in my reply, do please let me know, and I will try to rectify it.
Yes, but some choose abstinence and others don’t. My point always revolves around this distinction:
1] I choose abstinence because the profoundly problematic confluence of existential variables in my life – rooted in dasein – have come to predispose me “here and now” to choose it. For Maia it was the manner in which her life brought her to Paganism and the Goddess. Same with you and your choices. Same with me and mine.
2] there is a way, scientifically, philosophically, deontologically, spiritually etc., to think it all through and arrive at the most reasonable [and then, for many, most virtuous] assessment.
Only, as with morality, Maia’s commitment to celibacy, is beyond my being able to grasp. It is somehow derived from her “intuitions” more so than nature itself. But these intuitions…how are they too not just another manifestation of dasein?
Same with what “gets your own attention” sexually. In fact, what gets the attention of others is not abstinence or celibacy but just the opposite: debauchery, swinging, homosexuality, pornography, fetishes, orgies. Like the characters in Shortbus: youtu.be/_YVml-7iAbI
Again, though, what is far more interesting to me is not what you and I and Maia do or do not do sexually, but how what any of us do is deeply intertwined existentially in the manner in which our actual lived lives, taking us in very different directions, predisposed you and I and Maia to go here and not there.
And that is important because once we grasp how our own choices were shaped and molded by our very different experiences, relationships and access to information, we can come into places like this and communicate those differences in order to [possibly] come up with [for philosophers] the most deontologically sound obligations that rationally men and women can embrace.
Or, as those like Satyr do, root philosophy itself in nature. But only his own assessment of nature of course.
But, again, that just begs the question: why do individual preferences among us vary so widely? Why your set of sexual behaviors and not those of others? If not my own personal conclusion here rooted in dasein then perhaps yours? Yours however being just like mine, just like Maia’s: the embodiment of dasein.
Sexual tripe? And what might that be? Me, the line I draw is between sex among consenting adults and sex that is not consented to. Adam stalking Maia for example. For sex, presumably. Though, even here, there are those who argue that stalking [even rape] is perfectly “natural”. Men are genetically programed to spread their seed. Those like “feminists” however just don’t “get” it.
Yes, some are all about liberating us from sexual repression. But the law of unintended consequences is no less applicable here. And it is still women who are most susceptible to STD. And it is only women who might end up pregnant.
But it is still Maia’s thinking about all this – her 6 or 7 year commitment to the Goddess to be celibate – that is beyond my understanding. To give up all of that pleasure, intimacy, potential for a lasting love…for what? What brought her to such a prolonged – extreme? – commitment? Or could it just be that her past sexual/romantic relationships were so unfulfilling that she needed a 'bigger reason" than that to end them. A “spiritual” reason?
Then back to “the hole”. How [sexually or otherwise] she is convinced she can never tumble down into it herself.
Happy, yes, but only because the manner in which I construe our “private and personal” emotional reactions to sex are in turn but the embodiment of dasein. Had your own life been very different, happiness might be the last thing you feel.
As for this…
“I am not what happened to me; I am what I choose to become.” Carl Jung.
…to be perfectly honest it seems rather ridiculous. How on earth could what happened to us in the past [sexually or otherwise] not have a profound impact on what we choose to become [sexually or otherwise] in the present.
none of this would even come up if Maia’s picture was more like this…
Rather than to mysterious and sexy image of her that is used as her avatar.
What’s funny is that Maia could just look like this or that or anything else.
Of course, since she is basically covering her face with her hand, she may well look like this. The irony being that in having been blind since birth, none of that “looks” stuff means anything to her at all. Then the mysterious part that revolves around whether the reaction of sighted men to “looks” [gay or straight] is derived more from genes or memes.
And, as she noted, being “sexy and mysterious” was not the intent of either herself or her brother. That’s what men [even in philosophy forums] bring to the table. One in particular to the point of actually stalking her.
Does it bother you that a man can go there with you better than you can as a woman ?
Or as you say, “a woman’s perogative”
Yeah, I remember your posts.
I’m not stalking you Mag. That has always been your narcissism.
Whenever you’re wrong about something, you cry “he’s a man stalking a female!” “Everyone help!”
I’m just pushing your narcissistic buttons. And you can’t handle it. I’ve basically left you alone for 2 years. A few replies… but not actually digging into you.
When you made the statement that rape sexual deserve respect…
Sometimes my wild hairs are direct. I’ll say what mag is saying without being … mmm… how should I say, as subversive as she is.
Point taken.
Context needs to be understood though.
To be honest, she’s said worse things in this board than I’ve ever said.
Mag believes that rape sexuals ((like lgbtq(r - r for rape sexuals) deserve sexual respect. I’m not even talking about mutual subtle rape - just straight up rape.
Woaw, Dan wielding the iron fist of the moderator.
I think this threat should get back on topic. What is edification, and what does it have to do with male/female exchanges on ILP? Does this thread really deserve that title? OR should it have been titled “Edification (whatever that means) and Biggy/Maia exchanges at ILP”? Has Biggy branched out and touched upon other male/female exchanges at ILP (I’ll confess: I haven’t read the whole thread)? These last few exchanges would be perfect for discussion… Ecmandu/MagsJ exchanges–the dynamics therein and what that implies for modern society. We even have a point of contrast in Shieldmaiden–one woman against, one woman in defense–and Ecmandu, the shining star, caught in the middle. This could go deep.
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