The Harmonic Triads

Ichthus77 · February 2, 2022, 10:13pm

Something I’m playing with to organize some dialectics that make three-part syntheses.

The attached Venn diagram is just a sample/key to start.

See this Google Sheet for many more triads.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wxtknEW5QLl8etwcmtjFOwUEQNbqGwsKpNeaQmPiY3M/edit?fbclid=IwAR3v5nqXBU4fabaJ4h_GvNpnyI0RcqExhSObc-DIoUlOCWhMIg9ezBMnTmA#gid=0

Urwrongx1000 · February 2, 2022, 11:46pm

Interesting

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 4:16pm

ikr

iambiguous · February 4, 2022, 4:49pm

self = other

As when, for example, Christ said, “but I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”?

How about a context to bring the Harmonic Triads down to Earth?

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 4:53pm

Yes - the transcultural Golden Rule or royal law of love (cooperation, correspondence, etc…) found in every major culture in history in various forms.

iambiguous · February 4, 2022, 5:06pm

Note to others:

Well, I had to try, right?

Perhaps Urwrong will bring it all down to Earth.

As for the Golden Rule, believe it or not, there are criticisms of it:

The main criticism that people mention when it comes to the golden rule, and particularly when it comes to its implementation in practice, is the fact that the golden rule suggests that others would like to be treated the same way you would like to be treated, which is not necessarily true.

This can lead to problematic situations, where one person might mistreat someone else under the guidance of the golden rule. For example, this problem could lead someone to make an overt romantic gesture toward someone that isn’t interested in it, simply because the person making the gesture wishes that someone would do the same for them.

This issue has been described by writer George Bernard Shaw, who famously said:

“Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may be not be the same.”

To address this issue, a variant of the golden rule has been developed, which is called the platinum rule, and which denotes that you should treat others the way they want to be treated.

However, this principle has also been criticized, for example because it can lead to issues in cases where it prompts you to act toward someone in a way that contradicts your own values. Furthermore, there are cases where it’s not possible to use the platinum rule, for example when you have no way of knowing what the other person wants, or where the golden rule leads to better outcomes, for example when it prompts someone to display more empathy in practice. As such, the platinum rule is not inherently better than the golden rule, and there are cases where it’s preferable to use the two rules together, or to use the golden rule by itself.

Note: the platinum rule is sometimes referred to by other names, such as the copper rule or the inversion of the golden rule.

Conflict with other principles

Another notable criticism of the golden rule is the fact that, in certain situations, its application can lead to undesirable outcomes, when it conflicts with other guiding principles, including both moral principles as well as other types of principles, such as social or legal ones.

For example, if someone is convicted of a crime and sentenced to prison, the golden rule would suggest that we should let them go, because we would not want to be imprisoned ourselves. This remains the case even if we use the platinum rule, since the prisoner would likely also prefer to avoid going to prison.

However, this issue with the golden rule can be dealt with in a general manner, by viewing this principle as one of several principles that we use to guide our behavior as individuals and as a society.

Specifically, in the example described above, the golden rule would not be enough to prevent that person from going to prison, because most individuals and societies choose to place other laws and ethical principles above the golden rule, while still taking the golden rule into account. This means that they strive to implement the golden rule whenever possible, as long as it doesn’t clash with the implementation of a more important concept.

This notion is described, for example, in the writing of philosopher Henry More, who said that:

“The Evil you would not have done to your self, you must abstain from doing the same to another, as far as may be done without prejudice to a Third.”

— In Enchiridion Ethicum (1667), Chap. 4, Noema XV

Effectiviology website

So, given particular contexts, let’s explore the Harmonic Triads in regard to this.

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 5:40pm

That is my goal this semester if everything goes well. I have done work on it previously but thank you for that resource. That’s basically what I wanna do for the rest of my life. But not just theoretically. Both/and. Philosophy and science never should’ve got divorced.

Urwrongx1000 · February 4, 2022, 10:08pm

Beauty, Truth, Morality—these are the virtues of the Ancient Greeks, do you have more to say about them?

Did Catholicism/Christianity go beyond them? Did Humanity learn anything since, in the past 2000 years?

Or did they get it right the first time?

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 10:17pm

Tell me more. Moses said it first, though. Or… whoever he got it from. Prolly has been oral tradition since the get-go. Wouldn’t doubt it. Reminds me - I was listening to this potential eastern philosophy prof that spoke about poking seven holes in a face… it was weird. But I think … it’s this. Or came with it. I dunno.

UPdated, btw:
Meno_ of ILP introduced me to Otto’s Mysterium Tremendum (Kant calls this the sublime, but we’re changing it to tremendum) and Mysterium Fascinans (Kant calls this the beautiful, but we’re going to keep it as fascinans). Keeping the third one as Wonder. Cuz. Sometimes. You just have no clue if you should run or worship www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/ … 1/Otto.htm

I shared a special Venn to represent it in the ILP link^

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 10:20pm

I know I used keeping/changing interchangeably. Oh well teheh.

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 10:25pm

Hm. Fight. Flight. Worship. I like that. But I’m leaving it out

Ichthus77 · February 4, 2022, 10:26pm

Erm. WTF. Ok bye.

Ichthus77 · February 5, 2022, 1:20pm

maybe the Mysterium triad is better termed a sub triad or some better word than sub? Since it fits in between the spaces of the main triad. But it’s a triad in its own right, as well. Maybe that is a better way to do the phases (I, II, III). trying to think if I can think of a triad that actually has three phases and what the phases actually represent (it’s in the doc) but obviously I have not had coffee.

Ichthus77 · February 5, 2022, 1:41pm

Somebody answer this question with a triad
ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=196959

Sentence structure

Levinas

tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trinitydefense.php

Take your pick.

Ichthus77 · February 7, 2022, 12:47am

Are you referring to live (red), move (blue), and be (yellow)?
quora.com/What-Athenian-lit … Acts-17-28

Curious for your source otherwise.

Ichthus77 · February 7, 2022, 1:02am

So I just started reviewing Nicomachean Ethics. It’s literally right there in the first line. However if it goes earlier than that I am interested in your source.

Ichthus77 · February 7, 2022, 8:23am

law (blue), grace (red), truth (yellow)

gotquestions.org/grace-and-truth.html

Urwrongx1000 · February 7, 2022, 8:32am

My Source, is using complete sentences and paragraphs to express philosophical ideas.

You should try it.

Ichthus77 · February 7, 2022, 8:56am

nah

Ichthus77 · February 7, 2022, 9:08am

p.s. Wonder, Tremendum, Fascinans, man