There isn't really a muse thread.

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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:35 am

Geez, the nasty posters are out tonight.

The left is most accepting of the right. while the right is just plain intolerant. I did not find the first night of the GOP convention to be at all uplifting.

Those leaning right are just less capable of civility.

I can accept that.
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Postby Mowk » Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:09 am

For every leftist or rightist out there read up on our collective political party history. From unaffiliated through Federalist, Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Radical Democrats, Radical Republicans, The National Union party, finally settling into a two party system resembling something like Democrats and Republicans, with the rather consistent emergence of fringe groups showing up from both sides.

Lincoln started out as a Republican but he was assassinated while a member of the National Union Party for inviting a democrat to be his running mate.

Turbulent times cause reactions, not fitting squarely in either Democrat or Republican ideology. Trump, after all has swung both ways. His reaction to Obama, as a candidate for the presidency pushed a few of his racist buttons and the little springs didn't return the buttons to their default off state.

Seems about time for another knee jerk reaction.
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Postby Mowk » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:04 am

Politically speaking my biggest issue is our relationship too and with our environment. This planet sustains us, we should reciprocate in kind. Period. A politic that endorses an opinion of domination over is blind.

Every manufacturer of a product that is rendered useless over time should be required to recycle their products. Smoke detectors contain a radioactive element. Yet regardless of who you buy it from it ends up in a landfill. Batteries; A, AA, AAA, C, D, and all the specialty batteries that drive that rest of our electronic devices should require the manufacture recycle their products. I'd hope that fire extinguisher you have is never needed, and whether it is or isn't it shouldn't end up in a landfill.

Leaning perpendicular to the curve.
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Postby Mowk » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:50 am

Muse On.

And among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If we believe in these principals of United States Citizens the idea reciprocally applies to all humans whether they are US citizens or not. If humans have an inalienable right to life, how can we condone capital punishment? A right to life... should have protected the black slave from being lynched by a white mob with a rope and a tree handy near by. We should not have required an amendment to the constitution for that thought to be true. It is, after all, thought to be self evident.

Justice is replaced with revenge when the sight of that principle is lost.

On a similar vain, what right do I have as a citizen of the United States to deny another some presumed to be self evidently inalienable right? Love of other is tied into individual happiness. I have zero right, to condemn one human's love of another human regardless of gender. We shouldn't have needed an amendment to the constitution to insure that either. Follow the reasonable extension implicit in inalienable rights that are NOT limited to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but are rights among them.
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Postby Mowk » Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:09 am

It appears from this vantage that conservatives are all about denying other's rights while defending the same right for themselves, while liberals tend to believe if it is a human right it can not be exclusively applied based on limits of race, religion, or gender orientation. And it is with this issue a conservative and a liberal can't seem to find truth in the middle ground of commonality.

A women with reproductive capacity should have all rights over that capacity. When does a fetus become a viable human being? Shit, I'm guessing there are a bunch of seventy year olds that never made the transition from fetus to viable human being. Sheer time on the planet for many just isn't enough. While there comes along some pretty remarkable kids that appear to be way ahead of the game despite a rather short presence on the planet.
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Postby Mowk » Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:33 am

I am proud to be liberal...we are the humans that drag the rest of the population down the road toward progress. The direction is inevitable.... Environmental care and concern is among the next inevitable steps. I will always support the candidate that is greener. The cost of health care is only a problem if you can't afford it. The environment of the planet will affect us all regardless.

Keep sticking your head in the sand in this regard and you will have willingly participated in the denial of life to more and more humans on the planet, as well as the life of many other species in the process. That, I just don't see as a good thing if there is going to be a long run.
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Postby Mowk » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:00 am

:shock: :D
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Postby Mowk » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:36 am

Capitalism, isn't great for the cynic. The waste it encourages... is the advertising true... and what is getting fucked up in the process, is it sustainable? How?

If you've gotta educate me what a Marxist is, It's likely I'm not one. Bests as I can tell, similar thinking derived from different perspectives, one independent of the other but reaching similar theology.

I would not have considered myself all that patriotic had I not taken a swim in the pool of our political party history. Perhaps I have the preamble screwed up, doesn't it begin... We the people...? We now find ourselves a long way from there, but we the people still means the same thing. Some really bright thinking.

Can't you see the gap in humanity? Make some room in your idea of we.

One ideology, sounds fascist. I need the Pedro's of this world for balance. One side leans a we bit too much and the other side is there to balance it. A sort of very well matched tug of war. No one reaching the finish line but one side certainly more worn out then the other. Rest and nourishment for the weary, and better luck after a good nights sleep... but the planet is always sleeping and always awake.

Civility, civilian, patriot, a representative republic... as long as it is? As long as it is one vote and the votes are all equal, counted.

And if a citizen like me can't have faith in the result... the system has failed a citizen. If there is any political party power in play that orchestrates it, then gather up your arms. Get behind George Washington. It's not about a party system, that wasn't what this nation was founded on. Look it up for your self.

You got something to say, say it, but don't digress.

"Fucking retards" as a title for a thread on a philosophy forum? When have I ever called half the population a fucking retard?
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Postby Mowk » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:50 am

Here's what I find an interesting idea, as a forum member, if you express your thinking and are insulted for it, it is a form of suppression. Some one is attempting to tell another their thinking is not worthy. What are we going to do about that "vote" being suppressed? Freedom of expression. Isn't an insult a form of denial of that freedom? Everyone's opinion is suppose to matter. That's how we get to a more perfect union.
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Postby Mowk » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:08 am

Why don't I respond to some of the questions presented to me? Cause I have nothing nice to say.

Yet I have taken the questions to heart.
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Postby Mowk » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:17 am

I don't agree with the rule, but if you ain't a US citizen your opinion means squat. I'm all for the notion that if it is a human right, then nationality shouldn't matter. But ICE practices a different ideology.
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Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:54 am

I don't own a gun, but I have taken a gun safety class, and while a scout as a kid earned the rifleman merit badge.

One of the rules of gun safety was never fire a weapon if you can't see your target. Gangsters shoot randomly, law enforcement is suppose to be trained to shoot purposefully. Another rule of gun safety was never point a gun at anything unless you were intending to pull the trigger. So what would I think of a gunman firing randomly into a crowd? What would I think of a squad of police officers randomly shooting into an apartment?

Shot's fired...Man down... remove the injured if possible to safety and assess the situation. Learn what you are dealing with. Protect others from injury.

How do you enforce gun safety on the enforcers?
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:07 am

It is frustrating to have your concerns reduced to insignificance.

Pharma, and capitalism. Our county government has a prescription drug take back program.
The Drug Drop Program is a way to reduce the impact of pharmaceutical waste. This has been shown to cause an environmental risk, especially for drinking water.


Pharmaceutical waste is generally considered to be out of date over the counter and prescription medicines. Our county generated 1.4 tons of waste in the category in 2019. Doctors prescribed it... Pharmacies provided it... and the pharmaceutical companies manufactured it. Yet it is our local government that has to deal with it.

This is the sort of infrastructure capitalism doesn't acknowledge is socialistic, yet an operational cost is reduced as result of it.

I think that entities and groups of entities that makes goods, should be liable for the waste generated by that production. All other life on the planet Earth shouldn't have to take it in the shorts to accommodate it.

Haven't a clue why that thinking is communistic by some who advocate for right leaning political doctrines. That is a criticism of capitalism that has to do with environmentalism.
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Postby Mowk » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:57 am

Call someone a perineum; that's half way between a dick with balls and an asshole.

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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:13 pm

Muses work, through inexplicable ways, as gods, hidden in their guts, far above their jingles and orifices, guts where the machinery of their expiration of essential was is expelled..

Hunger and thirst motivate the whole 9 yards and it all starts with such divine gestures. The comedy as ,DH Lawrence's ' would have it in The Escaped Cock ' demonstrates the infusion of the essence of the sublime into the barbaric.


"D. H. Lawrence's "The Man Who Died": The Phallic Christ."(even if Lawrence denied the obvious connotation)
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Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:46 am

""As a poet," Snyder tells us, "I hold the most archaic values on earth. They go back to the late Paleolithic; the fertility of the soil, the magic of animals, the power-vision in solitude, the terrifying intuition and rebirth; the love and ecstasy of the dance, the common work of the tribe." ...
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Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:47 am

Man you are well read.
I never learned to. Not a book in my life, LOL.
How do you keep them all a part? It's like one big book, where is it, that one begins and an other ends? Seamless stories. Even when not trying there are effects. When I try I have much less success.
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Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:58 am

If I have one suspicion at all, it would be I suspect there is more then there is need. And then there is fear there isn't enough. These are the two wolves we are born with. The one that lives is the one we feed. I am a spectator... I watch as it all works out in the end with out need of my intervention. Conflict, external or internal?
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Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:02 pm

Trying to have two ends meat. While guilty of not having succeeded craving for it ( meet) in actuality it is beyond good and bad, in my own rationale, because actually my own particular decision has merely a pitifully inadequate and minimal effect.

The slaughter of annals is profoundly abject. Infecting the environment in excess of oil production: the animals would actually be slaughtered anyway

Are we in this way consuming our selves in totality?
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Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:13 pm

Meno_ wrote:Trying to have two ends meat. While guilty of not having succeeded craving for it ( meet) in actuality it is beyond good and bad, in my own rationale, because actually my own particular decision has merely a pitifully inadequate and minimal effect.

The slaughter of annals is profoundly abject. Infecting the environment in excess of oil production: the animals would actually be slaughtered anyway

Are we in this way consuming our selves in totality?





Mowk: re reading, find this , maybe a waste do to loss of words, so think about rewrite through alternate way, meanwhile, just going on, my day thinking through how best to do it.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:59 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Trying to have two ends meat. While guilty of not having succeeded craving for it ( meet) in actuality it is beyond good and bad, in my own rationale, because actually my own particular decision has merely a pitifully inadequate and minimal effect.

The slaughter of annals is profoundly abject. Infecting the environment in excess of oil production: the animals would actually be slaughtered anyway

Are we in this way consuming our selves in totality?





Mowk: re reading, find this , maybe a waste do to loss of words, so think about rewrite through alternate way, meanwhile, just going on, my day thinking through how best to do it.





Still thinkin'
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Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:52 am

Hello Meno_

I appreciate the effort.

I guess I failed going unnoticed. Never did I expect such an effect. I am no one.
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Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:39 am

I am not as eloquent as I would wish. "InterReflextion" Odd movie, but there was nothing in it with which I disagree.
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Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:22 am

Maia wrote:I’ve recently stopped looking for anymore kidnapped people in the Afghanistani-Pakistani area, within a few hours of President Trump announcing the removal of all troops from Afghanistan by spring. I have been looking into creating a new class of logic compatible with modern coding for a AI search engine (been looking over the general theories of every coding language I can find) as well as creating manuals for governments to use in searching out hostage victims, and while doing so creating new methodologies to contain the situation so the situation isn’t escalated into war. I’ve had to suppress this as well knowing Biden has a good chance at this point at becoming President.

US elections have been stolen in the past, but we at those times didn’t have a floating disenfranchised Neo-Conservative bloc floating around without a party, hungry for war profits. When Trump kicked them out, they went to the Democrats- Hillary while not a Neo-Con was deeply corrupt and entrenched in that culture as Secretary of State. By default your exposed to them. She completely failed at diplomacy as well as protecting our embassies, but she did manage to rub elbows with every white collar scumbag looking to make a buck, the kind of people representing the industries Mr. Reasonable advocates buying stock in. The Eternal War companies.

I’m not interested in that. I’m aware Russia is declining in ratio of force projection and international influence to China and the Middle East and this scares them, and most of their actions are a very slow creep towards comparing and equating the nature of their actions in Syria or Crimea to the US in terms of lower level propaganda. I’m talking enlisted guys or lower ranking officers- they are trying to equate their paradigms to NATO and the US, meaning they are intentionally aligning themselves on a doctrine level to the west, and their weaponry and tactics are too. Within two generations they will end up in the successor to NATO given their massive borders and capacity to protect them will be as worrisome as the Baltic nations and Poland to protect themselves against a massive Russia is today. They will come screaming to get into NATO by time the younger of us go into the retirement home.

The Democrats were absolute shit with Russia under Obama. Hillary caused the collapse of Aleppo giving up her strategy during the presidential debates- Putin moved immediately to quash any chance of that prior to her or Trump being sworn in. They allowed a very obvious war in Ukraine to break out- our NATO buffet state and this has caused contention between Belarus and Georgia on a Russian-NATO axis. This balance of power carried over to Belarus having a diplomatic Cold War with Russia, trying to increase China’s role in the region of Eastern Europe- which someday may result in a Chinese base in Europe, as well as causing a switch on how Russia would react in a Azeri-Armenian war. If you are unaware (and this forum is undoubtedly), Armenia and the Azeri just fought a war and the Azeri lost. This will default lead to the inevitable breakup of Iran and Russia’s alliance prematurely. Reason is 1/4 of Iran is Azeri and they are fearful of Azerbaijan gaining all of their lost territories and turning on Iran (only 1/5th of Iran is Persian, country is destined to collapse, Russia was a stabilizing influence).

When you have a three way balance of power, with three buffer states in the region between the three larger powers, a sudden shift in diplomacy will send that balance way out of wack and wars will be fought, but over the next few decades more will as well to recover the former equilibrium. Example Korea was fought over only two powers, and China rushed in last minute to restore a buffer state- millions died. In Azeri’s case, they are heavily dependent on Turkish NATO tech in the form of Drones and Special Forces- they didn’t want to fight human wave like they did previously against Armenia (they lost badly), but this only works if nobody supports Armenia. They asskissed Russia and Russia stayed Iran largely. Iran did smuggle some weapons to Armenia but Iran doesn’t have much against a NATO like army at those quantities. Only reason Russia did this was to stabilize it’s gains against Georgia in a past war and not antagonize Chechnya and Dagestan. They lose this if the US in Georgia is antagonized. If Georgia is antagonized they supply to rebels in those Russian areas and press Russia exactly when Russians in Armenian bases aid Armenians and Turks back Georgians and by default Iran backs Armenia against Iran.

Nobody wants any of these three states obliterated completely but now since Armenia has been smashed they gotta upgrade their defeated military to respond to Armenia, and this means a big weapons buyout via national debt, and Iran will not be able to do much. So Iran is now drifting from Russia very slowly due to being betrayed. They are natural economic competitors to Russia as they sell energy as well, and Iran would likely have to cut the oil pipelines to Europe as a result if they have to invade north into Azeri lands to knock out rebel bases over the border.

Obviously via Georgia and Turkey NATO grade weaponry will flood the region for all sides. Iran will become isolated increasingly as Russia plays safe with NATO and focuses on Russia. We created in the Obama admin a future war here soon in Azeri that will cause a energy crisis in Europe and nobody fucking notices this. The balance of power has to be maintained by the three larger powers and Iran is now the most vulnerable. It is existential.

Likewise the creation of “The Quad”. If you recall Zinnati and my arguments over India’s strategy in the future. He made some bulkshit crackhead statement India would side with Asia and China against America and weapon sales mattered most, I said no, India would be paranoid with China and would militarize against China, forming alliances and I pointed out with Pandora I could care less about China’s strategy of island building and buying ports. Reason is NATO coupled with India could easily control from the Red Sea to Singapore the traffic and bomb with ease all surface ships and ports. I’m okay with Russia building in Syria and North Africa as it is easy to destroy them, but if NATO inherits Russia we likewise gain those bases and alliances in the Arab League. With China easy to bomb. They could do a lot of damage in the Himalayas but would lose the Indian Ocean and by default Africa. A island full of only military targets is very easy to take out in modern warfare.

Right now Biden and Kamala both have well known corrupt ties to China. Obama and Democrats prior (Republicans to a lesser extent too) strongly engaged China and China slipped spies in our ranks and gave them very easy desks and easy access to deals, from stock ownership to business access. They won’t do anything to jeopardize their portfolios and being part of India’s Quad will cause the US’ participation to decline. This will likely motivate India to investigate and release details on Biden and Kamala past and undoubtedly future corruption, as well as cause diplomatic tension between the US and India, Australia, Japan, South Korea Taiwan and Vietnam.

Likewise Biden has clearly indicated a renewed Cold War with North Korea for no fucking reason on North Korea instead of following the Trump thaw, and Biden has also for no fucking good reason threatened military action against Brazil to protect the rainforest. I guess we will be drone striking logging camps and bulldozers across Brazil in the name of Captain Planet or some shot only Kropotkin and Mr. Reasonable understands, or drop a few airborne divisions into the jungle to scalp Brazilians of all fucking people. Brazil is a deeply fucked up country admittedly, the suffer from 19th century Hegelian ideologies like Marxism and Nietzschean ideas, but I haven’t seen Brazilian pirates sail the high seas or them dominate the drug trade or form the bulk of international mercenary market. They keep their chaos contained in their shitty little rain soaked back water and I say just leave them the fuck alone, they aren’t Venezuela or Cuba trying to make great international alliances of regressive nietzschean fuckery like the Spartans once did with their alliance with every tyranny they could find. A country dominated by nietzschean thought like Nazi Germany is hard to tell apart from a Marxist state like Stalinist Russia- both are genocidal and controlling and largely parallel in thought except in one area- neitzscheans don’t really care if you agree or like them, so long as your the right type or at least don’t oppose them until they decide to use you or kill you. Marxist will go out of their way to drag your ass into their conspiracy and use you. Maduro as the top Nietzschean doesn’t give a fuck about you if your passive and have nothing he wants, you might be useful someday if you don’t die. Communist China insists on getting into your inconsequential shit and making it consequential no matter how insignificant it is, but will promote every vice in existence from drugs, crime and prostitutes to win over gangs and tongs- groups resistance cells against the government tend to pop up in. That’s the fundamental difference between Communism and Nietzschean governments. Now think the Quad in the pacific, with the Philippines and Vietnam. Philippines is a quasi-democracy, a gangster state with a Fixed Cross or Pedro on every corner preaching to homeless teens (Manila 3 million homeless). Most enterprises will get Fixed Cross and Pedro killer eventually, but not before they kill most of these kids. The corrupt local officials dealing with these gangsters report to the government depending on how effective they are in ratio to tempting bribes, and the nature of the state looks at how it deals with the corruption by how the overall economy goes internationally. Do they back China or the Quad, or go the route of Cuba? They are closer to Cuba in government but have strong cultural ties to the West and Japan, but China’s system would fix their inability to control the nietzschean system- allowing them to assert federal and state on the village level. If they back China the Philippines will be more impoverished but coincidentally by being able to break into say, the local version of Sauwelios home in the middle of the night, sand bag him, drag him to a holding cell and sodomize him with a stick, beat him for weeks till he confesses everything, then shoot his sorry worthless ass, admittedly if done systematically the gangster element in society would be made smaller and controllable and many families would feel more secure in knowing kids have a future. Security trumps Economic prosperity when you live under absolute tyranny from gangs. It is the appeal of folk characters like Zatoichi, Zorro, Dylan Hunt and other vigilantes, why such heroes exist. In Vietnam’s case, they have the potential to become a new Japan, South Korea or Taiwan. But they are just as Marxist in corruption and control as China, but are eager to join The Quad. How likely are they to reform more and more if Biden keeps stalling on the Quad, backs China more and more? How much real pressure outside of lip service will China receive on their attacks in their territories in Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang and Hong Kong? Some lip service, very minor laws, Kamala shaking her fingers and talking stern but getting fucking amazing financial kickbacks, better than the Clinton’s ever got plundering Haiti.

We are facing a true Kleptocracy returning to the US. Trump did a lot, made cabinet members sign documents preventing them from later on working as lobbyists. Trump cleaned up a lot of the Bush and especially Obama era strategic blunders and I grew to respect the man as someone who could usher us into a future where war was a rarity. He didn’t build coalitions merely for war but for peace. That’s why I felt I could lay down the future intellectual framework for a new kind of office for police, militaries and bloc/United Nations to tackle issues regarding terrorism and kidnappings- but my logic of put into play would far more likely be used for very rapid target assessments from militaries who wouldn’t need to ask themselves the Why of their actions, only the How (Nietzsche supported the How and not the moralizing Why).

In the longer term our technological synthesis will turn more to AI and robotics. That means less frontline troops and more and more individuals following the offices and positions individuals like myself design. I’m not interested in eternal wars. I’m for bloc stabilization, mutual cross training between nations and deescalation of conflicts. If a pattern emerges where internationally states don’t fight neighboring states, then the bulk of conflicts will be against terror cells, secretive groups like Tongs or Rebel cells (both the good and bad variety, I have no way to stop that from being the case). I want to get it as non lethal as possible, quick, exacting and the resolution not stretching over generations of alienation or second class status- in Vietnam to this day many former South Vietnamese government descendants are blocked from social advancement. I want quicker and more permanent resolutions. That’s a future not possible with corrupt statist and neocon military industrial complex lobbyists and politicians.

Reason I was confident I could achieve this is because in our era, I’m one of the rare few who can not only achieve results but explain them and teach it in a manner that a state could adopt it, but it is a system designed to take route over millennia. But I’m more likely to be plundered for my advantaged by those who seek only wealth and quick power at any cost, even cheating at a election. I’ve spent a lot of time studying this “Woke Culture” and have come to the conclusion Nazi Germany was even more Woke. Mein Kampf is literally a book about Hitler becoming Woke realizing the Germans were being oppressed by Jews, Communists and every other kind of degenerate. We’ve seen pogroms in the US scapegoating people on the basis of race and political affiliation just like in Nazi Germany. On this forum Mowk and Kropotkin comes the closest to the Nazi ideal. They are the victims and the others are the bad ones, they are for the civil rights of the X people. For Hitler it was the Germans, for Pol Pot it was the rural peasants. For them it is the ideal blue state people in their battle against poor rural people. They never stop and question themselves. I recall Kropotkin lamenting how Hillary was quick on the Drone Strikes. Trump was in isolated cases, largely legacy wars from Bush and Obama- but as I pointed out they caused a lot of conflicts to spiral out of control, and a few more are about to pop up because of them. The Democrats collected all those military industrial guys together. Who do you think they will mass sell their weapons to? Our best current and most eager candidate allies to the US have a doubtful future with pro China Biden. But we will sell more and more weapons to EVERYONE, and NOBODY will try to reform. They will make more bullshit conferences about western values such as democracy but will support every plutocracy and kleptocracy out there, because they are exactly that themselves. They will run the closest elbows with the worst crooks.

And so the necessary culture change in the US won’t take route if Trump does lose. Even if he wins re-election in 2024 or someone like him, the neocons and their democratic ilk will get new contracts, new positions. We won’t have teens growing up with war being rare or none existent in American culture for 8-12 years, instead they will know another in a year or two and it will become commonplace once again? And why? Because guys like Mowk and Kropotkin drop to their knees hook line and sinker to swallow any propaganda, however bizarre and irrational, and will support any foul action so long as it supports their world view. A view created by others. No creative though on their own. Kropotkin claims to be a ducking anarchist and is the biggest totalitarian statist I’ve ever seen, accepts the blue line unflinching. Mowk claims to support civil rights and unquestionably recycled propaganda and supports tactics Hitler and Mao used to suppress grass root democratic action. He supports pro-racist ideals in support of the violent attacking the non-offending, because the non violent are the bad people on the level of civil rights. Mowk is the kind of guy who would jail Nelson Mandela or Gandhi. That’s my perception of watching him over the years, absolute scummy scumbaggity on his part, never any soul searching on his part to ask if he fucked up or is delusional. I myself constantly must question myself, I tackle ten or so topics a day, dwell on them for years, question the outcomes constantly.

I’m not worried about the discordian responses here, the inevitable from Pedro, Phone, Joker or Zoots. Satanism is a idea that by design determines a prior how one reacts to dialectic discussions of state and society. Has it’s roots in Christian Cynicism, I can show a dozen classic Christian saints who did it way better than them, hardly a new idea, they just think it is, and they think the seeming contradictory rhetoric is fun. But they never seen people systematically killed by gangs, terrorists and local self righteous petite nobility like I have. My philosophical mandate is derived from that, why at my core I’m anti-nietzschean and anti-communist. They are twin ideologies that why on paper seem alienated in practice share massive parallels, thanks to Marx and Stirner being bar bros.

So what does it take to fix this. What does it take to resolve this, where people start questioning their actions? Do I gotta kidnap Kropotkin sand Iambigious, duct tape their fucking mouths and use a clamp to keep their eyes open, lay them down in a radio flyer wagon and walk them through riots and killing fields, and explain to them the chain of causality that went from their ignorant support for random ducking bullshit propaganda they accepted to the inevitable violence in the US and around the world their miserable selfish existence helped provoke. Do they need the fucking blood of kids they helped killed splashed on their faces? Do I have to punch them in the gut repeatedly to reinforce the pain the are seeing in others eyes as they die from the violence they wrought?

I only listed a few war zones, conflicts. Others exist. The sheep don’t consider their geopolitical scope. Absolute dazzling the ignorance and hatred disguised as enlightenment and humane thinking going on here. I can’t even call it thinking, Kropotkin and Mowk just take others statements and regurgitate it. Even copy and paste Iambigious who fails every Turing Test has more attempts to come up with his own ideas- or at least his programmer claims so. He claims a brief period of self analysis in Vietnam (and then stopped, and never tried a self reflective thought again, literally never. Not once). I get why the druggy Nietzscheans don’t leave their bubble- they have issues rooted in failed interpersonal relations from their childhood- I’ve probed many of you in your Sadism playing along with your games to see the span, limits and origins- but the Sadist-Masochist approach no matter how self destructive at least is pleasurable and stimulating as you kill yourself off babbling nonsense. That’s the fundamental difference between (most of) the older schools of discordant thought and the modern, you have the self destructive Marquis of Sade approach to your modern schools here, and self preservation and respect for the means and ways of preserving the lives of others is just a idea that gets in the way of “power”- which is just serotonin and dopamine hits- power is a illusion, ecmandu’s irrationality is proof of this (his pride in his awesome Suicide Machine is the only thing keeping him alive). That’s Will to Power as exhibited here on this forum. But a socialist leaning Marxist isn’t from De Sade’s school, he doesn’t inherently reside in the strain of the Young Hegelian thought you little Nietzscheans take from. It comes as a side effect of course- communists tend to attract thugs and brigands to their cause in the early stages, controlling sociopaths join up who fucked up their lives and need structure, and when middle to higher management emerges in otherwise impoverished societies with little avenue to flaunt status, it comes into being when they fight tooth and nail to corrupt the system- every Marxist society is essentially designed by a invisible hand to be corrupted and either subdued or overthrown by Nietzschean gangsters and oligarchs. But you fuckers aren’t even a part of that class of middle management or real thugs, you are largely failed pretend thugs for Nietzscheans and even not that if Marxist- you just suffer from penis envy of anyone doing better. Your impoverished sheeple. You are clearly ignorant pieces of shit being exploited. What in particular attracts you to this ignorant piece of shit Marxist outlook? You managed to buy into several past administrations agendas once announced without question. You swallowed and repeated them, WITH EMOTION! You act like you don’t even exist, your a signal amplifier for some political party’s fucking strategy session spitting out the random bullshit they want you to say. They want you to agree to it BEFORE they even come up with it. Think about it- the left will have some massive uproar over something deeply random and previously inoffensive- a saying or action that hurts nobody or is a isolated case, or funnier only democrats do to themselves, and will attack anyone NOT A DEMOCRAT or NOT IN THEIR PRIVlEDGED CATEGORY OF PERSON- and will go bezerk on them in a Maoist class struggle way. The biggest hypocrisy is democrats in democratic held states and cities killing black people and in response they go after the enemies of the Democratic Party who have no local control over policy, as the great enemy. Democratic governments in urban cities murder black people, suppress them for decades- and it is the rural farmers three states over to blame who vote for any other party than democrats, and you gotta have a uncomfortable conversation with that soybean farmer to fix urban democratic issues. WTF is that? Yeah, the Republicans went walking around the hood fucking with every minority in these cities controlled city and state level by democrats for decades, you vote them out and now true change can occur. Wait.... no, true change can’t occur, you just gave your oppressors a massive pass. But Mowk and Kropotkin will walk in a zombie daze swearing up and down it is so. Smoke that weed, stress free, liberal liberal liberal, Hail Satan, don’t even think about consequences, fingerpaint a little art you fucking ubermensch. It keeps cycling nonstop. How do you break this cycle of iambigious self imposed ignorance in always blaming others while supporting the same tard ideas you always have supported, and instead become a mother fucking philosopher and start questioning your fundamental beliefs, that of yourself and your society. None of you have it in you. I can look at First Cross and see someone deeply decayed by drugs, this is what he wants me to be, another mere Napoleon or Caesar.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YGI_g9NFzDY

There are few who can find such a nature so naturally in themselves as me. Too many times I’ve faced situations where in a blink of a eye I saw the total and complete methods of destroying and controlling others in terms of systems and actions. But that same instinct had caused me to look farther into human nature, farther into the future and the past. I’m still in my 30s and I’m discovering to my annoyance and depression very few can match my research ability or insights, and in too many areas I’m intellectually alone. But this has also prodded me to think about the nature of things, question of better ways exist and better appreciate volition and the developing mind of the individual. I don’t seek to make men into slaves but slaves into men- and you here are the most slavish lot I know speaking English. You are the most ignorant and despicable, you find every vice to kill yourself with, you try to trap and compromise others in stupid clandestine schemes only to find you yourself have been tricked, and in compassion you rarely learn your lesson. Some of you have in part- I’ve seen changes start to form in you in terms of lifestyle that was instigated unknowingly - but even then for the most part still intellectually slumber. You are the Anti-Socrates. You are not philosophers. This is a forum composed exclusively of trolls claiming they are philosophers. Absolutely no creative spirit in those proclaiming the virtues creativity, no political acumen in the sheeple talking politics the most- just a parade of fuckups. What does it take to make you question things? What will it take for you to become for the first time in your pathetic worthless lives philosophers? Too many of you old men remind me of Confucius when he confronted a old man he knew for years, that he was a useless burden on his parents in his youth never developing himself after their teachings, in his marriage he was a parasite of a husband exploiting his wife, children and relations and finally now as a old man all he did was impoverish and bother his children, who he never took care of, and demand filial respect and devotion in return. Confucius scolded and hit the old man asking why don’t he just die and leave his family in peace? You morons are a comparable blight on philosophy, sycophants without insight, muttering the ideas of others. At least Sauwelios is honest enough to quote the source of his none-thoughts (lemme guess, Nietzsche and Leo Strauss for the next 300 quotes and paraphrasing by him). You fuckers are shameless, completely without anything resembling higher thought. Fucking Chimpanzee show more initiative in problem solving.

I’m pulling back from government for the next few years if Biden gets in. We will have more of a intellectual dark age, because solutions to the big problems of society won’t be solved. I doubt Biden and Kamala can even stop the pogroms started under Obama at this point- they think they can turn off a massive dam of hate they have been filling to bolster the Democratic Party at a switch once they come in. History has shown you can’t long control a army of iconoclasts. They will go after anything and everything regardless of affiliation. In Rwanda, the two sides often massacred their own people. They were pissed and just wanted to kill- and democrats can’t spread out into the countryside to every small village, many don’t even have cars. Democrats will continue to kill and burn down their own people and communities anytime they are provoked, and they have been conditioned to be provoked over literally nothing. You don’t go from mass hysteria to sudden peace without a interlude. Will it be foreign war or civil massacres of blue on blue state violence? Democrat in the Whitehouse, as Governor and Mayor- clearly it is the backwood farmer in the middle of nowhere to blame, lets all elect even more tyrannical little shits from the party with centuries of history enslaving and corrupting and neglecting everyone and thing into office to do it all over again. Stop electing obvious treacherous parties into office, stop regurgitating ideas handed to you be them, and for Christ sake, just try to come up with a original idea and start thinking about the larger world at large. Big world, lots of problems, find a solution to something, or leave this forum. You don’t deserve to be affiliated with philosophy if you don’t think, and none of you think. Everything you do currently is support of wars you know little about, to profit groups you openly despise but contradictory accept. You voted for Biden and the war machine. I’m all for transforming the Navy, Airforce into a laser force reinforced by a anti-ballistic defense system with commando raids to support and defend Americans and allies, I’m not for more Libya’s and Iraq Wars (we had fucking three in Iraq and Biden’s Neocons want 4). I’m for a modernized military that stays home, and if we do press counties, it is for more democracy like with the Philippines and Vietnam being in the Quad, just like South Kolerea and Taiwan changed, or to make the geopolitics of genocidal states like China difficult due to large alliances opposing their internal and external wars. I don’t want every country who used to be a enemy but is now opening up and changing like Russia and Vietnam to remain alienated. I want middle of the road countries like India allied to us with large regional blocs by them friendly and cooperative.

Trump was bilateral economically and multilateral militarily. Why we largely had peace, wars ended fast then the stabilizing force wound down. Obama the opposite, save in Libya when he let the French of all people lead the coalition of the stupid. Otherwise a fucking mess. Biden wants war in North Korea and Brazil! I’m not going to be drafted as a analyst or for a military contractor for a invasion of the Amazon River. They got little fucking fish that swim up your dick down there, Kropotkin and Iambigious can go to save the poisonous flora. Bunch of banana and bean eating communists shooting up drugs and swinging machetes. I’m going AWOL from the draft. Only way Biden can force Brazil is through war, and Biden said he is willing. Biden failed to win the election you you dipshits will support his fraud as if he did, and more wars will result. Waiting for him to threaten to bomb Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory too. The fucker is senile, he might just do it.



I wish to keep a copy of this post here. There is learning potential. Room for contemplation. It is like I will learn something from it, from which wasn't anticipated. Encouragement.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:27 am

Gratitude is in order. Much appreciation.
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