Mind is much more than psychology.

The origins of the imperative, "know thyself", are lost in the sands of time, but the age-old examination of human consciousness continues here.

Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?

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Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:52 am

Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?
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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:03 am

Arminius wrote:Mind is nuch more than psychology. Do you agree?


Yes, without any doubt.

Mind is what creates psychology.

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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby James S Saint » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:02 am

Kind of depends on your psychology. To me, physiology and psychology cover all that a mind is.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Jr Wells » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:16 am

Psychology is an academic and applied field that studies what goes on in the mind. The mind does a lot more stuff than this narrow field of study. My mind helped me have breakfast this morning but psychology did not.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby James S Saint » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:51 am

Jr Wells wrote:My mind helped me have breakfast this morning but psychology did not.

:lol:
..and you might want to be careful not to ask either. 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby Jr Wells » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:18 pm

Is the question: Is mind more than the brain?
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:12 pm

Jr Wells wrote:Is the question: Is mind more than the brain?

No, and the brain is a biological (especially a neurological) part.
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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:22 pm

Jr Wells wrote:Is the question: Is mind more than the brain?


Yes.

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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:53 pm

zinnat13 wrote:
Jr Wells wrote:Is the question: Is mind more than the brain?


Yes.

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Zinnat, Jr Wells is asking whether it is the question; he is not asking whether mind is more than the brain; he is just asking whether it is the question (whether mind is more than the brain) - not more. And the question in this thread is my question whether you agree that mind is more than psychology:
Arminius wrote:Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?

My question is not: Is mind more than the brain? The brain is a part of the a biology:
Arminius wrote:
Jr Wells wrote:Is the question: Is mind more than the brain?

No, and the brain is a biological (especially a neurological) part.

So my question is also not: Is mind more than biology?
My question is merely: Is mind more than psychology?
And (b.t.w.) you and I have already answered with YES.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Jr Wells » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:46 pm

Then the answer is still yes.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:24 pm

Hertofore we have only "yes"-answers. .... I like that.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:12 am

it is through psychology and it's psychological processes that mind is discovered, and not through the various definitions of mind, that psychology is discovered.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Jr Wells » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:54 am

Orb wrote:it is through psychology and it's psychological processes that mind is discovered, and not through the various definitions of mind, that psychology is discovered.

Psychology is a study of the mind just like geology is a study of earth and how it changes. You could ask: is the earth more than geology? The answer is yes... as geology is a very narrow field that has specific concerns.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:10 am

Jr, sure, in a sequential latency of time succession of events yes. However, this sequence is analyzed pro an inductive method, the mind of here and now, is analyzed through this developed mind, not through as originally posited. This is the difference of the analysis 'in terms of'. so we are really both: right and wrong.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Jr Wells » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:18 am

Agreed. A meaningless question on its own.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:06 am

Arminius wrote:Zinnat, Jr Wells is asking whether it is the question; he is not asking whether mind is more than the brain; he is just asking whether it is the question (whether mind is more than the brain) - not more. And the question in this thread is my question whether you agree that mind is more than psychology:


In that case, i misunderstood him and sorry for that too.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:07 am

Jr Wells wrote:Then the answer is still yes.


Yes, the answer is still the same; yes.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:30 am

Jr Wells wrote:
Orb wrote:it is through psychology and it's psychological processes that mind is discovered, and not through the various definitions of mind, that psychology is discovered.

Psychology is a study of the mind just like geology is a study of earth and how it changes. You could ask: is the earth more than geology? The answer is yes... as geology is a very narrow field that has specific concerns.


Jr Wells wrote:Agreed. A meaningless question on its own.


Jr and Orb,

I do not think that both questions are the same, or at least not perceived the same.

Most of the modern philosophers/intellectuals consider mind not as a real entity, but only a hypothetical one. They say that it is only the brain, which has actual existence. It is capable of manifesting thoughts and emotions, thus creates and maintains a particular set of congestion of such ideas that remains roughly the same all the time. This is what they all mind, and psychology is the behavior caused by it.

In the words of Serle, Brain causes minds.

But, i am not saying this. I am taking mind as an real entity, and only thoughts/psychology as a hypothetical one. To me, it is not the brain that produces thoughts, but the mind. The job of the brain is only to convey those thoughts to the body to act upon. Brain is nothing but a mediator between the mind and the body. It is merely a messenger, not an originator.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:40 am

Zinnat, The difference between mind as an 'entity' and it's function qua psychological process is, by logical extension minimal, if any. The brain, is an entity, inasmuch it is a physiological mass. The same thing can not be said of the mind. The mind consists of the brain's functions, which are manifested by the psychological processes, without which the difference could not be made in the first place. Seeing a duality between brain and mind, brings in the epistemological duality, which has been denied by materialists. So, the question only resolves within an axiomatic of establishing an inductive proof, versus one of defining what implicates the definition. That's all there is. it can go either way depending on either versions.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:02 am

Orb wrote:it is through psychology and it's psychological processes that mind is discovered, and not through the various definitions of mind, that psychology is discovered.

No. Just the reverse is true.

You can know something about psychology because - and only because - of your mind, spirit, or ghost (or however you want to call it in English), but never because of your psyche, soul, or even psychology.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:11 am

Obe (Orb), you should say to Zinnat that you are an Occidental (thus: Faustian) materialist. But being a materialist doesen't automatically mean being right, being intelligent, being wise, being a God, .... but does probably mean being a Godwannabe.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:51 am

Arminius: definitions do not mean anything, including the various isms, except by virtue of their application. I think the spirit may originally posited as some entity, and even psychology can be shown to be something apart from a material , it, intelligence does not necessarily dictate, it's consistency, except perhaps some measure of it. In this way, mind can be defined as the psychology which further down the line postscripted it, before that, mind could be arguably consist of an all inclusive brain. The soul in the machine, is the prior idea of a predefenitional duality, only to be ascribed to variously differing definitions. neither material or immaterial way of approaching it is right, or wrong, so the argument rests on both :a definitive difference, or, an approximated analogy.
It leans heavily on philosophy of mind, whereby You Yourself explicate various meanings, like soul, etc.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:08 am

Another way of putting it is this: The concept of 'mind' preceeded the study of psychology. Psychology could be seen as inclusive within mind, but only since the time psychology became what it is now, the study of the functions of the brain. originally philosophy it's self included what we call science today, therefore the same can be said of philosophy containing all the other studies dealing with mind. but, we can only see this retrospectively , wherein lies the catch. differentiations of functions determine how we define and prioritize function. Mind denoted no such psychology, that could be said to be prioritized, since such would be based on a presupposition not existing at that time. if so it becomes a revers , after the fact hypothetical, begging a sequential time dependent argument, which could not be pre-supposed. but this not deter from arguing this way, to show an inclusivity of psychology within mind, as a presupposition. Nothing wrong with this type of thinking, but it becomes a conditional pre-supposition
The fact that my vote is in the minority position should not deter me, as was Yours a minority position within the question of whether machines will eliminate all human beings. my vote was then, within the majority opinion,the argument here, being, is that a minority or majority opinion has no bearing on the truth or falsity obased on a search for probable outcome.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:24 am

Orb wrote:Arminius: definitions do not mean anything ....

Definitions "do not mean anything"?
Why are you then posting on a philosophy webforum?

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:36 am

Except by virtue of their application, was the conditional premiss. if we define some thing, we point or signal to that thing, and give the definition value. there are valueless definitions where we assign arbitrary value without a useful assignment. the mind is something like soul we use them as further vessels for other definitions. Such as, the mind consits of the soul, or some process which goes on in the brain. Of course, as You may have already guessed, I am not really a positivist-materialist, I am using the tools of meaning, since that is the basis of Your interpretation into meaning. Myposting a may be variably meaningless, but there are schools of prescribing meaning,with variable associations, the minima of which is pure redundancy, and the maxima pure entropy. Meaning varies between these two asymptotes, and is ascribed or denoted with interpretation. I wish You the best in this Holiday Season.
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