Are You Depressed?

phoneutria · September 7, 2020, 6:37pm

yeah but a person’s temperament isn’t nearly as straightforward a thing to measure as a circle is
nobody can even come to a consensus on what they’re measuring for

I gather that you’re going by the definition that there are two big categories, introverted and extroverted
and that inside each there are two subcategories
choleric and sanguine under extroverted
such that cholerics would fall under a subset of extrovert
and therefore could never be considered introvert

sure
but if you’re going orthodoxicaly by hippocratic definitions you would also need to accept
that you can measure how choleric a person is by the amount of bile in their system
which I don’t think is taken seriously by anyone in this day and age
say it ain’t so

and if you’re allowing for adaptations to it
you might be able to see how those groups might be better defined as eight (4, each divided in two)
as those temperaments come in both introverted and extroverted forms

so yeah
you can go on to say that I’m not using them as hippocrates intended
to which i’ll say whatever, he was wrong
(but not without merit)

if you’re going to take an existing word and use it to describe a physical phenomenon
the dictionary damn hell better have some use
otherwise you may as well smack the wall and call it babeh

phoneutria · September 7, 2020, 6:40pm

i should have added that i also don’t discuss jung anymore
because this is what always happens
i stick to his theories
at the first hint of a disagreement with someone
they go FREUD WAS BETTER ANYWAY

at this rate i will soon stop speaking entirely

MagsJ · September 7, 2020, 6:45pm

“An Ambivert is someone whose overall behavior is between introversion or extroversion.
-An Omnivert is someone who can be either, at different times. 26 Mar 2020”

I just remembered about these options, following Phon’s post… I think that most, when in their comfort zone, can/will be Ambivert… the painfully painfully shy, maybe not.

Magnus_Anderson · September 8, 2020, 4:00pm

Continued here:
ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 2#p2775324

Let’s leave FC’s thread alone. I don’t want it to get depressed.

MagsJ · October 4, 2020, 12:12pm

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOptbo-QFw[/youtube]

Meno2 · January 28, 2021, 3:21am

youtu.be/MOWDb2TBYDg

Roberts · February 5, 2021, 1:56pm

Depression is common for everyone and we face daily or sometime in our life but It gives use new energy if we overcome from Depression.

Ecmandu · February 11, 2021, 5:12pm

Depression is ignorance. Joy is also ignorance (but sometimes and somewhat practical)

My entire meta goal in life is to be able to say, “it’s a good day and I’m feeling great” and not be lying.

People really do lie to themselves everyday here… way worse than lying to others.

But I don’t even often afford myself lying to others.

When someone says something like, “hey, how’s it going?” Or “it’s nice out today”, I immediately realize that they are not self realized.

I deflect this type of mind by saying somewhat comical things like “just doing my Jason things”. Or “smoking and pacing”

I have charming canned answers to not make people uncomfortable and still hold my own integrity.

People don’t know the depth of why I answer this way, but they usually smile when I do.

Meno2 · February 11, 2021, 11:03pm

Their smile is deceptive , used to cover their inordinate horror

Meno2 · February 11, 2021, 11:05pm

Fear is a milder expression.*

*fear of depth

Ecmandu · February 12, 2021, 5:04pm

My canned answer to “it’s nice out today” is:

“Are you spreading rumors again?”

Things like this just relax serious tension.

I mean, guys are unapologetic for the things they have to do to get sex (exhibiting a higher contradiction frequency).

And they certainly cannot accept that sex hurts the feelings of others while you’re having your best times in life (even though they know it deep down). That’s sadism, that’s psychopathy.

I’ve realized that most people on earth on the continuum of psychopathy are actually significantly psychopathic.

So… I just take it upon myself to pull their spiritual weight instead of getting bogged down with trying to convert them.

Depression is ignorance because this world is shit, but without a plan, people sublimate it… because without a plan there is no hope.

They also can’t absorb how truly wicked they are because of the shallow need to defend their life stories as perfect.

There are lots of layers here, even more than I just described. It is what it is.

MagsJ · March 27, 2021, 5:49pm

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Some good advice… =D>

Bob · April 4, 2021, 9:29am

You sound as though you haven’t got the slightest idea of what depression is.

healthline.com/health/depre … vs-sadness

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenou … 20stressor.

It is quite difficult having a condition that you can’t explain to people …

Fixed_Cross · April 25, 2021, 1:11pm

The Legendary:

The main problem with diagnosing depression is the assumption that it is wholly due to the individual, and has nothing to do with environment. That’s simply idiotic. All in all, given the state of affairs in this world (increasingly robotized and homogenized, much hope for interesting futures eradicated) it is very unnatural or narcissistic to not suffer from “clinical” depression.

It’s natural that an affirmation of a positive element in the environment (such as a genuinely empathic and understanding mother) is a profound release from the causes of depression.

I dealt with my own depression a few years back by making an effort to re unite my family and take a way a feeling of despair my mom was suffering from. I improved my closest environment slightly and this resulted in a powerful healing process from which others benefitted as well.

Depression is largely the result of the idea that the world is globalized, one, both incredibly large and unchangeable as well as totally dimwitted, sociopathic. Just look at what depression started to become a “clinical” diagnosis. It’s a reflection of the world, and all you can do about it is turn inward in your circle (if you have it) and become outwardly critical, stop believing in “the world”. It doesn’t exist, only in the minds of those who seek to exploit, and the depressed.

Congratulations on your depression, and on finding the true way of dealing with it.

Viva la depresión!

So here is the conflict as it re-emerges:
One can battle depression either by reinforcing ones own “bubble” (negatively put, I simply mean a sphere of self-valuing) or by aggressively engaging the supposed sphere that is The World, from ones individual core values, i.e. primal rage.

Core Value + World At Large = Primal Rage.

But the first option is also a revolutionary act. If one re-enforces the family/local sphere, manages to make this a healthy organism with a sound “anentropic shell”, then one has already broken the hegemony of The World At Large.

The very objective and power-will of the TWAL is that it breaks down all smaller orders, forces the individual to value itself in terms of this whole, rather in terms of the value-projections that this whole secretes inward. In turn, the whole only exists by the response to those values from the great number of subjects who fall for it.

As soon as these numbers turn back inward, the whole collapses.

Bob · April 25, 2021, 5:16pm

Fixed Cross:

The Legendary:

The main problem with diagnosing depression is the assumption that it is wholly due to the individual, and has nothing to do with environment. That’s simply idiotic. All in all, given the state of affairs in this world (increasingly robotized and homogenized, much hope for interesting futures eradicated) it is very unnatural or narcissistic to not suffer from “clinical” depression.

It’s natural that an affirmation of a positive element in the environment (such as a genuinely empathic and understanding mother) is a profound release from the causes of depression.

I dealt with my own depression a few years back by making an effort to re unite my family and take a way a feeling of despair my mom was suffering from. I improved my closest environment slightly and this resulted in a powerful healing process from which others benefitted as well.

Depression is largely the result of the idea that the world is globalized, one, both incredibly large and unchangeable as well as totally dimwitted, sociopathic. Just look at what depression started to become a “clinical” diagnosis. It’s a reflection of the world, and all you can do about it is turn inward in your circle (if you have it) and become outwardly critical, stop believing in “the world”. It doesn’t exist, only in the minds of those who seek to exploit, and the depressed.

Congratulations on your depression, and on finding the true way of dealing with it.

Viva la depresión!

I mean that depression is the state of mind which is the soil from which the revolution must follow, if it is left unmedicated.
Thus, depression-medication is a direct means to stop the revolution.
This makes so much sense to me, fuck.
I’ve always known.

The most extreme result of depression, suicide, is among the most radical revolutionary means available to man.
But whatever is the unmedicated result, it must be revolutionary, re-valuating. There is no other way, since depression is the state of mind that is bred on the ground of nihilism.

The only choice is: drone or revolutionary.

Value ontology was born in the aftermath of a suicide.

I am right in this, my whole nervous system is singing.

That The World only exists in the mind of the exploiter and the depressed, couples with the idea that depression is the revolution in this way: The World At Large is subject to only these two: the capital and the revolutionary.

It does not exist to the one who is passively happy and non-sociopathic. Such a person lives always in a bubble, in a secured perimeter of self-valuing, healthy and ignorant.

So here is the conflict as it re-emerges:
One can battle depression either by reinforcing ones own “bubble” (negatively put, I simply mean a sphere of self-valuing) or by aggressively engaging the supposed sphere that is The World, from ones individual core values, i.e. primal rage.

Core Value + World At Large = Primal Rage.

But the first option is also a revolutionary act. If one re-enforces the family/local sphere, manages to make this a healthy organism with a sound “anentropic shell”, then one has already broken the hegemony of The World At Large.

The very objective and power-will of the TWAL is that it breaks down all smaller orders, forces the individual to value itself in terms of this whole, rather in terms of the value-projections that this whole secretes inward. In turn, the whole only exists by the response to those values from the great number of subjects who fall for it.

As soon as these numbers turn back inward, the whole collapses.

James S Saint:

One of the best commentaries on Depression I have ever read.
But then, I have been telling people that for 20 years, so maybe I’m biased.

??

Meno2 · April 25, 2021, 7:54pm

There are levels of depression, when it rises to ‘clinical’ then conversely it is a sign of it descending to the lower levels of being from mere existential trepidations.

Fixed_Cross · April 26, 2021, 2:41pm

Yes, it seems there is a kind of ‘point of no return’, as there exists in psychosis. There is a point when the brain attacks itself with such vehemence that a vicious circle is attained.

Meno2 · April 27, 2021, 5:29am

Actually there were old therapies tried to get the brain out of conflict with it’self, psychosurgery I believe goes way back, insulin and electroshock were tried, with limited success. But ultimetally, relapses were more common them not.

With the waning of analysis which only a few can afford, psych drugs, street drugs and alcohol are being used, again with limited success, street drugs and alcohol as self cure cause damage to the already compromised conditions of depression .

I heard it said though that milder cases can be simply treated with the knowledge that it’s easier to firm a smile with facial muscles then a frown.

Like the Joker in Batman.

Bob · April 27, 2021, 10:14am

I’m curious … just what could be these lower levels of being?

Suffering from somatic symptoms (high agitation and shivering) of depression and knowing how I feel driven towards coffee and alcohol as a result of it, it makes me wonder whether the lower levels have been reached.

Fixed_Cross · April 27, 2021, 2:01pm

Meno_:

Fixed Cross:

Meno_:

There are levels of depression, when it rises to ‘clinical’ then conversely it is a sign of it descending to the lower levels of being from mere existential trepidations.

Yes, it seems there is a kind of ‘point of no return’, as there exists in psychosis. There is a point when the brain attacks itself with such vehemence that a vicious circle is attained.

Actually there were old therapies tried to get the brain out of conflict with it’self, psychosurgery I believe goes way back, insulin and electroshock were tried, with limited success. But ultimetally, relapses were more common them not.

With the waning of analysis which only a few can afford, psych drugs, street drugs and alcohol are being used, again with limited success, street drugs and alcohol as self cure cause damage to the already compromised conditions of depression .

I heard it said though that milder cases can be simply treated with the knowledge that it’s easier to firm a smile with facial muscles then a frown.

Like the Joker in Batman.

One cant be surprised when haphazard experimentation with chemicals and EM on humans doesn’t usually lead to a chain of disjunct nuances to be ‘repaired’ - but clearly, since the brain is an electrochemical device, the application of chemicals in concert with electromagnetism is the key, if there is any, to artificially remediate brainconditions as well as to do basically anything with the brain. Electrochemical engineering is still a very young and precarious field, but immense progress has been attained the past decades. There just are differing interpretations on what a desirable human mindstate amounts to.