I don’t need to study something in its entirety to form a meaningful opinion of it.
What I studied was pretty crappy, and from that I can presume the rest is probably pretty crappy too.
Have you studied it in its entirety?
Prove it.
Drop some knowledge on me, prove me wrong.
The fact that lots of psychologists disagree with it also proves that it’s probably pretty shoddy.
i’m not an expert in personality theory
but i can tell bullshit when i see it
and it’s not my job to teach you
nor do i feel the need to prove anything to you
also a lot of people believe the earth is flat
that is a non argument
if anyone else wants to humor this dude
please be my guest
i got shit to do
also INTJ dominant function is introverted intuition
So you don’t need to study something in its entirety to form a positive opinion of it and commend it, but I do need to study something in its entirety to form a negative opinion of it and criticize it?
And the opinion of psychologists is equal to the opinion of flat eathers?
So you’re agnostic regarding what the shape of the earth is?
Or perhaps you spent a life time studying the shape of the earth to know the subject in its entirety before coming to the conclusion that what, it’s flat, it’s round?
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not a ‘trust the experts no matter what’ sort of person, but still what they say carries weight with me, and then if I go examine it for myself and also find flaws, that further proves to me that the thing is probably deeply flawed, even tho I don’t know the whole thing inside and out.
Some theories are so convoluted you can never know the whole thing in its entirety, you examine what you can, then assess as best you can, while also considering what others including the experts have to say.
Still, they extrovertly think more than they introvertly think, even tho they’re introverts.
And they introvertly intuit more than they introvertly think because why?
Do they introvertly, intuitively or thinkingly judge?
Why not?
Do they judgingly think or intuit?
I used to be really into this thing for a year or two years ago, I visited many sites and forums, skimmed through an official book on the subject, and I never saw any explanation as to why anything.
I mean if some feel it works for them, fine, just saying why I think it’s bunk.
I’ll do it for $100/h
That’s not a bad deal, Reas. You’re a pretty simple guy and she’d be done in what, five minutes tops? So you’d only pay like fifty bucks, especially if an hour wuz only like ten minutes instead of sixty but it isnt so you probably won’t pay that or whatever.
Unless she has a minimum
great post, prom
Yup, and there’s 3,653 more where that’n came from.
im not good at math ill cashapp 8 bucks if it can get done quickly
Is 16personalities accurate?
That said, the MBTI (16 Personalities) Test is based on a good amount of well-researched concepts with empirical data backing it up, and is derived from Jung’s theory of personality. So I’d say it is one of the more accurate and valid tests of personality.
I agree that it is difficult
but not necessarily that one is more difficult than the other
as I believe that that process of perceiving and expressing the perception
is one and the same
unless you are able to explain to yourself what that is
it just flutters in your mind like a scent
for which you have no frame of reference
and then it flutters away
and I’d add a 5th stage to that
which is to investigate why you feel what you feel
and that one is a step that can take you really deep
into introspection
and even into the subconscious
most people can’t even get anywhere near that without help
as it often requires a second voice
a truthful alter ego
and not everyone is able to simulate that on their own
which is also why talking is the primary tool of psychology
once you’re able to formulate something about feelings
and you have someone to be the second voice
you are more likely to be able to travel deeper in
I am not sure that i agree with you that both are scientific endeavors
because values are deeply dependent on meanings
and that is all highly subjective to the individual
unless you are using a very liberal interpretation of what is “scientific”
it most certainly isn’t exact 
(i added bold marking in that quote)
well, the point i am trying to make is
that scientific language in this 'case
is not as informative
as affective language
because what you are looking for is language that can
tell you something about experiencing something as a human being
and when it comes to that
physical properties of the thing become secondary
and the emotional significance of them become primary
where science calls for you to step outside of yourself
in order to be objective
understanding feelings calls for you to step back inside yourself
and feel them
while i don’t think you’re wrong
i think that it is more of a philosophical endeavor
meaning that it is a broader realm than strictly scientific
and also wildly speculative
I think that it is
a portion of humanity, even
though not necessarily describe it
but present it in some way
speaking as an artist
that question was crucial to me
to go from a hobby doodler
to creating a more cohesive body of work
because I can simply answer that question
“i do this because I like it, and i like it because i like it”
and that’d keep me going
but when I try to get to the bottom of why i choose a theme
what pulls me in when I look at something
which is not at all an easy thing to do
then i can start to concentrate on that
and maybe at the end of my life
i might have spent enough time obsessing over this theme
to have created something that speaks to others
maybe an artwork that will contribute to our collective exploration of our nature
and outlast me
post it!
I get that
and i think that the feeling is always going to be the main driving force behind artistic impetus
but a study of what feeling, which does not have to necessarily occur during your creative moment
instead have its own time, research time maybe
meditation time, or rather, concentration time
i save every image that I run across that attracts me
no matter what the subject is
into a folder that i call inspiration folder
then when I browse that folder
naturally i see a repetition of specific themes
as well as one thing that i managed to find that is common to all of them
after having done that study of what inspires me primarily
it became much easier to filter out the things that will just distract me
from the ones that will bring me focus
that is of course not something that I see working for everyone
it works for me because i am very specific with my pursuit
i’m always impressed by people who work with many mediums
and do many styles, and are always trying something new
but my stuff I suppose is an INTJ’s way to do art
filtering out all that seems irrelevant or a distraction
and focusing on the conquest of the core elements of it
all i care about in terms of techne is value, anatomy, proportion, form
in terms of the feeling, the meanings, the symbols, it is more complicated than that
but i don’t like to talk about that part
i have the impression that introverted feeling produces “heavy” art
while extroverted feeling produces “light” art
and i think that i only like introverted feeling art
the kind that hits you in the guts
well, yes
but as I said above
it seems to me like the two things are very closely connected
like when you smell something that you remember
unless you can recall the place or circumstance
which i propose amounts to creating a verbally descriptive memory of it
you’re left with nothing but “this is a familiar smell”
so you might remember the sensation
but without that verbal reference it is a useless memory
perhaps you can relate to referring to a chord as “happy” or “sad” or “tense”
these are adjectives i hear frequently associated with music
and they help me remember sounds
it might be easier to remember changes you made to someone else’s composition
because when you’re listening to it you have a point of reference
from which to say " here I added this other note which added tension, made it happier, etc"
anyway, this verbal element of memory
seems particularly important
when it comes to dreams, hallucinations
it seems that if you wake up from a dream
and immediately tell it to yourself
just create a quick conscious narration of what you just brought from the dream
then you will be able to remember it
we often take for granted that which comes easy
like the piles of scribbles on top of my dresser
that i’m sure some people would pay money for
but that i’ll probably make a fire with
i’d say that the most desirable one
is the best cost-benefit
between simplicity and comprehensiveness
Hmmm, now I’m a INTP. Years ago when I was unhinged got a different result.
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=191755&p=2639628&hilit=personality+tested+mm#p2639628
In the past I have used the MBTI and the Enneagram together, which I found interesting.
I spoke to a psychologist about it, and they said they didn’t use it because the people who are patients in their institutions tended to pick and choose. Both systems have their uses but should be used honestly and not to achieve a result that you feel ought to be true. In clinical psychology they might be used by professionals, but they won’t tell you by what method they came to their conclusions.
There is also some issue about INFJ and INTJ, because they tend to vary according to what life is throwing at you, so it is possible to get both readings at different times. That is probably true about a number of personalities. Using the Enneagram is helpful because it shows you how you can drift, where you can improve, what personalities are toxic and which ones can help.
im a little disappointed that this thread didnt immediately become all about me once i posted in it
That is a true observation. People who are obsessed with these personality tests often think it is about them. There are other uses though, besides introspection, which, apparently, several large companies in America encourage their staff to do. There is also personality development, by which you investigate aspects of your personality that haven’t been discovered yet, or investigating why you keep on falling to the same routine in life instead of reaching out.
I’ve heard of authors using the types as characters in their stories, which enables to get more realistic characters, with a bit more depth than if you just make up someone. I’ve even done the groundwork myself, but not had the spark to get all of those figures moving. There are web-sites with lists of characters who have which personality types, although that seems to be more for fun than anything else.