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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:22 pm

turtle wrote:i am hiding from the terrible people in this world..
the leaves are protecting me...they are good..you can be there also...

Ah, little reptile, how can the leaves possibly protect you? A hurricane comes and topples down a mighty oak sometimes. What can the leaves do but hide you for a few moments ...but in those moments, you might catch your breath and summon up your courage. But hiding in the leaves may be fun, as a game, and we might find some berries to eat. And you know what's even nicer? Being under those leaves and listening to the steady sound of the rain and tasting its gift. And if we listen closely, those leaves might just teach us something. :-$ :-$ :-$

"And someday there shall be such closeness that when one cries, the other shall taste tears!"
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...imagine that!
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:27 pm

arcturus rising wrote:
turtle wrote:i am hiding from the terrible people in this world..
the leaves are protecting me...they are good..you can be there also...

Ah, little reptile, how can the leaves possibly protect you? A hurricane comes and topples down a mighty oak sometimes. What can the leaves do but hide you for a few moments ...but in those moments, you might catch your breath and summon up your courage. But hiding in the leaves may be fun, as a game, and we might find some berries to eat. And you know what's even nicer? Being under those leaves and listening to the steady sound of the rain and tasting its gift. And if we listen closely, those leaves might just teach us something. :-$ :-$ :-$

"And someday there shall be such closeness that when one cries, the other shall taste tears!"
Unknown


...imagine that!


what would the leaves tell us...what are you hearing..
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:38 pm

turtle wrote:
arcturus rising wrote:
turtle wrote:i am hiding from the terrible people in this world..
the leaves are protecting me...they are good..you can be there also...

Ah, little reptile, how can the leaves possibly protect you? A hurricane comes and topples down a mighty oak sometimes. What can the leaves do but hide you for a few moments ...but in those moments, you might catch your breath and summon up your courage. But hiding in the leaves may be fun, as a game, and we might find some berries to eat. And you know what's even nicer? Being under those leaves and listening to the steady sound of the rain and tasting its gift. And if we listen closely, those leaves might just teach us something. :-$ :-$ :-$

"And someday there shall be such closeness that when one cries, the other shall taste tears!"
Unknown


...imagine that!


what would the leaves tell us...what are you hearing..

:-$ I'm listening!
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:43 pm

why dont you write about what you hear .........
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby eyesinthedark » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:32 am

Good job turtle, you've exposed everyone for the cowards that they are, ask me any question, any, you can count on me for a straight and thoughtful answer.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:01 pm

eyesinthedark wrote:Good job turtle, you've exposed everyone for the cowards that they are, ask me any question, any, you can count on me for a straight and thoughtful answer.


did you want to teach us dummies?
did you want to be one of us dummies?
you could be our teacher....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:12 pm

turtle wrote:
eyesinthedark wrote:Good job turtle, you've exposed everyone for the cowards that they are, ask me any question, any, you can count on me for a straight and thoughtful answer.


did you want to teach us dummies?
did you want to be one of us dummies?
you could be our teacher....

Little reptile, the first question you might have asked him/her is: Are you being facetious here?

Is there a third option?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:17 pm

turtle wrote:why dont you write about what you hear .........


this is for arc....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:18 pm

ah, it is just so difficult to put it into words...
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:24 pm

arcturus rising wrote:ah, it is just so difficult to put it into words...


when did you start having trouble with words?
i hadnt noticed..

do you think eyesinthedark is watching.....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:35 pm

turtle wrote:
arcturus rising wrote:ah, it is just so difficult to put it into words...


when did you start having trouble with words?
i hadnt noticed..

It isn't the words themselves, you silly little turtle, that I have trouble with, it is the blending of my thoughts and feelings with those words and doing justice to THAT which is not so easy.


do you think eyesinthedark is watching.....

Well, I certainly hope so; that is, if those eyes are the stars which peer down at us. Could we but be watched by anything else as beautiful? I ask you, can we?

You need to watch eyesinthedark if he is watching...I could only be presuming...and would I even care? Well, that might depend on who eyesinthedark is - really, he can be anyone else in here...no?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:44 pm

why are you being so cautious????
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:26 pm

turtle wrote:why are you being so cautious????

Where do you see me as being cautious? And why are you so cautious, little reptile?

I am finding that trying to find and keep equilibrium causes harmony - or is the trying losing it?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:31 pm

arcturus rising wrote:
turtle wrote:why are you being so cautious????

Where do you see me as being cautious? And why are you so cautious, little reptile?

I am finding that trying to find and keep equilibrium causes harmony - or is the trying losing it?


you are not telling what you hear under the leaves...
you have some secret that you hide and you know its there..
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:50 pm

turtle wrote:
arcturus rising wrote:
turtle wrote:why are you being so cautious????

Where do you see me as being cautious? And why are you so cautious, little reptile?

I am finding that trying to find and keep equilibrium causes harmony - or is the trying losing it?


you are not telling what you hear under the leaves...
you have some secret that you hide and you know its there..

:lol: First I need to know what leaves...where are they, little reptile?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:47 pm

the leaves that i was hiding under, remember...i was afraid of all the awful people out there...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:12 am

turtle wrote:I will admit to being one of the dummies......
Let us start-------
1. How did matter and energy come about?? please define the words how, did, matter,and, energy, come, about.

2. How did life originate???

3. What the fuck is it all about?????


i want to recycle this for the dummies...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:17 pm

turtle wrote:the leaves that i was hiding under, remember...i was afraid of all the awful people out there...

Let's not forget, little reptile, that we can only hide under those leaves for a time. Security is false. Probably the only safest way to be is to know that there is no such thing as security and learn to live from that. Everything changes, everything dissolves, fades away, though it will return again...and leave again. You need to take care that when those leaves fall away from their branches, you see it happening and act accordingly. Hiding under those leaves can be fun but it's equally as much fun seeing them from the outside. Seeing them from the outside, as in sitting on a park bench, can also teach us that anything can teach us. Bushes are lower than the trees and the sky but they also serve a purpose. What appears to be lower than something else is just as important and has its own place in nature as what appears to be higher. Everything has its place in nature. :lol:
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:26 pm

turtle wrote:
eyesinthedark wrote:Good job turtle, you've exposed everyone for the cowards that they are, ask me any question, any, you can count on me for a straight and thoughtful answer.


did you want to teach us dummies?
did you want to be one of us dummies?
you could be our teacher....


Why would dummies want a teacher?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:36 pm

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:
turtle wrote:
eyesinthedark wrote:Good job turtle, you've exposed everyone for the cowards that they are, ask me any question, any, you can count on me for a straight and thoughtful answer.


did you want to teach us dummies?
did you want to be one of us dummies?
you could be our teacher....


Why would dummies want a teacher?

you could join us dummies...actually we are the wise, experienced, intelligent ones who are undercover...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:37 pm

In answer to WW_III_ANGRY

to be made real? :lol:
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:41 pm

arcturus rising wrote:In answer to WW_III_ANGRY

to be made real? :lol:


why dont you say what you are thinking...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:53 pm

turtle wrote:you could join us dummies...actually we are the wise, experienced, intelligent ones who are undercover...


Its ok nobody will ever "get me" anyways. I'm sure I don't need anymore "cover" aside from this mysterious shroud around me that blinds them to my inner being, (as such is the case for everyone). Yes?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:32 pm

turtle wrote:
arcturus rising wrote:In answer to WW_III_ANGRY

to be made real? :lol:


why dont you say what you are thinking...

I did - I responded to Angry's question - why would dummies want a teacher? To be made real.
No matter how intelligent dummies think they are, they can always be made more 'real', little reptile.
We can ALL be made more real, little reptile, through relationship and communication.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:40 pm

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:
turtle wrote:you could join us dummies...actually we are the wise, experienced, intelligent ones who are undercover...


Its ok nobody will ever "get me" anyways. I'm sure I don't need anymore "cover" aside from this mysterious shroud around me that blinds them to my inner being, (as such is the case for everyone). Yes?

It must be very lonely in there at times, no?
Such is NOT the case for everyone - only those who choose to hide that inner being.
We are not meant to show all of our inner being and everyone our inner being - nor are we meant to show none of it to no one.
I personally feel that it cries out to be discovered - but as it is to be valued, not to be shown or discovered to all/by all.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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