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### Re: philosophy in film

Lives of quiet desparation will always be around. Even the ones we see in black and white. But this was a time right on the cusp of America's own "cultural revolution".

THE LAST PICTURE SHOW
Directed by Peter Bogdanovich

Sam: I'm surprised you had the nerve to show up after that stomping you took last night.
Sonny: Could've been worse.
Sam: Yeah, but you can say that about nearly everything.

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Lois: Just remember, beautiful, everything gets old if you do it often enough. So if you want to find out about monotony real quick, marry Duane.

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Ruth: Why?
Sonny: Coach probably don't get to stay home much during football and basketball season.
Ruth: My God, you don't know a thing about it, do you?

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Sam: If she was here I'd probably be just as crazy now as I was then in about 5 minutes. Ain't that ridiculous?...Naw, it ain't really. 'Cause being crazy about a woman like her is always the right thing to do. Being an old decrepit bag of bones, that's what's ridiculous. Gettin' old.

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Jacy: Well you married Daddy when he was poor and he got rich, didn't he?
Jacy: Well if Daddy could do it, Duane could too.
Lois: Not married to you. You're not scary enough.

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Charlene: Tell us about it. What was it like?!
Jacy: I just can't describe it. I just can't describe it in words.

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Sam: You boys can get on out of here, I don't want to have no more to do with you. Scarin' a poor, unfortunate creature like Billy just so's you could have a few laughs. I've been around that trashy behavior all my life, I'm gettin' tired of puttin' up with it. Now you can stay out of this pool hall, out of my cafe, and my picture show too. I don't want no more of your business.
Sonny: We didn't mean for anything bad to happen, Sam. We...
Sam: You didn't even have the decency to wash his face.

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Sonny: Nothing's really been right since Sam the Lion died.
Lois: No, it hasn't.

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Lois: I guess if it wasn't for Sam, I'd have missed it, whatever it is. I'd have been one of them amity types that thinks that playin' bridge is about the best thing that life has to offer. Old Sam the Lion. Nobody knows where he got that name. I gave it to him. One night it just came to me. He was so pleased....It's terrible to only meet one man in life who knows what you're worth. Just terrible. And I've looked too. You wouldn't believe how I've looked.

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Truck driver: I'd like to know what he was doing with that broom.
Sonny: He was sweeping you sons of bitches, he was sweeping!
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

Kids and sex -- scatological no less! -- among other things. Really, how the hell did did they avoid an NC17 rating? I guess because they didn't actually show much.

These are some really strange [weird, bizarre] people. Unfortunately, there just aren't enough like them in this world.

ME AND YOU AND EVERYONE WE KNOW
Written and directed by Miranda July

Christine: [seeing his bandage] Whoa, what happened?
Richard: You want the short version or the long one?
Christine: The long one.
Richard: I tried to save my life but it didn't work.
Christine: Wow. What's the short one?
Richard: I burned it.

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Saleswoman: I think everything's gonna be computerized in twenty years.
Sylvie: Soup won't be computerized.
Saleswoman: Why not?
Sylvie: It's a liquid.

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Michael: So, tell Ellen about the shoe guy. Did you go back to the store?
Christine: Yeah. And it turns out he's a child killer. So, oh, well.

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Andrew: Yeah, see, this is why you don't want a village raising your kid...because there's sketchy parts of the village and some of the villagers are junkies and child molesters.

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Richard: ...no more Internet when I'm not here. I have to be able to call you.
Peter: Maybe you should buy us cell phones.
Richard: No. Just stay off the fucking computer when I'm not here!
Peter: You can't make us stay off the computer if you're not here. You won't be here to keep us off it.

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Christine: We have a whole life to live together you fucker, but it can't start until you call.

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Christine: Fuck! Fuck you! Fuck me! Fuck old people! Fuck children! Fuck peace!

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Andrew: Dude, did you just give her the family discount?
Richard: Yeah. She's my neighbor, and I'm trying to work on my karma. Do you know what karma means?
Andrew: Yeah.
Richard: It means that she owes me one.

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Robby: Say, "You poop into my butt hole and I poop it back into your butt hole...back and forth...forever".
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

Been there? done that?
Ah, but they are ever so much more beautiful. And, come on, the ending is really not all that far removed from Hollywood

SEX LIES AND VIDEOTAPE
Written and directed by Steven Soderbergh

Therapist: This unexpected guest notwithstanding, how are things with John?
Ann: Oh, they're fine. Except for I'm going through this thing where I don't want him to touch me...

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Cynthia: Did he ask me to take my clothes off? No, he didn't.
Ann: Did you take your clothes off?
Cynthia: Yes.
Ann: Cynthia! Why did you do that?
Cynthia: Because I wanted to... I wanted him to see me.
Ann: You're crazy. He could be bouncin' it off some satellite. Some horny old men could be watchin'.
Cynthia: Ann! He wouldn't do that.
Ann: You don't know that for sure. [pause] Did he touch you?
Cynthia: No.
Ann: Did you touch him?
Cynthia: No.
Ann: Did anybody touch anybody?
Cynthia: Well... yes.
Ann: Don't tell me... don't tell me... don't tell me. You didn't!
Cynthia: I did.
Ann: You didn't!
Cynthia: I did.
Ann: You didn't!
Cynthia: I did!
Ann: Oh, my God. Cynthia! You're in touble...

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Ann: Nothing's what I thought it was. John's a bastard. Let's make a videotape.
Graham: No, I...ahem...I don't think that's a good idea.
Ann: Why not?
Graham: Because I don't think it's a choice that you'd make in a normal frame of mind.
Ann: And what would you know about a normal frame of mind?

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Ann: Well, what did he ask exactly?
Cynthia: Well, I don't want to tell you exactly.
Ann: You let a total stranger record your sexual life on videotape, but you won't tell your own sister?
Cynthia: Apparently.

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Graham: No, it's just, I, you know, I just think - right now I have one key and everything I own is in the car, and I just... I like that, you know? I mean, I just, if I get an apartment, that's two keys, if I...get a job, you know, I might have to open or close, that's more keys, you know, buy some stuff, I'm afraid it's gonna get ripped off, or something, and I get more keys, and I just, I, you know, I just like having the one key, it's clean.
John: Get rid of the car when you get the apartment. Still one key.
Graham: I like having the car. You know? The car's important. You gotta be mobile.
John: In case you have to leave someplace in a hurry?
Graham: Yeah, or go someplace in a hurry.

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Graham: Liars are the second-lowest form of human being on the planet.
Ann: What's the first?
Graham: Lawyers.
Ann: Oh. That's you, John.

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John [on the phone]: Cynthia, John. Meet me at my house in exactly one hour.
Cynthia: You are scum. I'll be there.

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Graham: Yeah, I'm self-conscious. But not in the same way that you are, though.
Ann: Me? Me? You think I'm self-conscious?
Graham: Well, I have been watching you. I watch you eat, you know, I watch you speak, watch you move, and I see somebody who is extremely aware of people looking at you.

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Ann: So, let me see. You said, um, you said that I should never take advice from someone that I haven't had sex with, right?
Graham: Basically.
Ann: Right. And, uh, we haven't had sex. Right?
Graham: No.
Graham: I wouldn't.

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John: By definition, you're lying to Ann, too.
Cynthia: Yeah, right, but I didn't take a vow in front of God and everyone to be faithful to Ann.

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Cynthia: So come on, I came all the way over here to find out what got Ann so spooked. Why don't you tell me what happened?
Graham: "Spooked"? The videotapes are what got Ann so spooked.

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Graham: Why don't you let me tape you?
Cynthia: Doin' what?
Cynthia: What makes you think I'd discuss that?
Graham: Nothing.
Cynthia: And you just wanna ask me questions?
Graham: I just wanna ask you questions. That's all.
Cynthia: Is this how you get off? Tapin' women talkin' about their sexual experiences?
Graham: Yes.

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John: Things are getting complicated.
Cynthia: No, they're gettin' real simple

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Graham: So, I don't... I don't understand, uh, what made you want to come here. I can't imagine Ann painted a very flattering portrait of me.
Cynthia: Yeah, well, see, um, I don't really listen to Ann when it comes to men. I mean, look at John, for Christ's sake.

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Graham: I remember reading somewhere that men learn to love the person that they're attracted to, and that women become more and more attracted to the person that they love.

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Ann: You know, my therapist...
Graham: You're in therapy?
Ann: Aren't you?

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Graham: Do you have orgasms?
Ann: I don't think so. I mean, I guess, since I'm not sure, that I've never had one

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Ann: What did you think?
Graham: I thought about what you would look like having an orgasm.
Ann: I'd like to know what I look like havin' an orgasm.

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Ann: ...my God, Graham. You just can't walk up to her and show her you've changed like it's some gift or somethin'. And look what you've changed into. Nine years. Nine years, and this is what you come up with?

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Ann [grabbing the camera]: I just wanna ask a few questions, like why do you tape women talkin' about sex? Why do you do that? Can you tell me why?
Graham: I don't find turning the tables very interesting.
Ann: Well, I do. Tell me why, Graham.
Graham: Why? What? What? What do you want me to tell you? Why? Ann, you don't even know who I am. You don't have the slightest idea who I am. Am I supposed to recount all the points in my life leading up to this moment and just hope that it's coherent, that it makes some sort of sense to you? It doesn't make any sense to me. You know, I was there. I don't have the slightest idea why I am who who I am, and I'm supposed to be able to explain it to you?

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Graham: My problem? Do I have a problem? I look around me in this town and I see John and Cynthia and you, and I...I feel comparatively healthy.
Ann: You've got a problem.
Graham: You're right. I've got a lot of problems. But they belong to me.
Ann: You think they're yours, but they're not. Everybody that walks in that door becomes part of your problem. Anybody that comes in contact with you. I didn't wanna be part of your problem, but I am. I'm leavin' my husband, and maybe I would have anyway, but the fact is that I'm doin' it now. And part of it's because of you. You've had an effect on my life.
Graham: This isn't supposed to happen. I've spent nine years structuring my life so that this didn't happen.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

If only U.S. presidential elections were this sophisticated.

Alas, they are barely caricatures of the real thing. Or are they now role models?

Go Tammy!

ELECTION
Written and directed by: Alexander Payne

Tammy: [narrating] It's not like I'm a lesbian or anything. I'm attracted to the person. It's just that all the people I've been attracted to so far happen to be girls.

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Tracy: [narrating] None of this would have happened if Mr. McAllister hadn't meddled the way he did. He should have just accepted things as they are instead of trying to interfere with destiny. You see, you can't interfere with destiny, that's why it's destiny. And if you try to interfere, the same thing's just going to happen anyway, and you'll just suffer.

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Tammy: [giving her campaign speech] Who cares about this stupid election? We all know it doesn't matter who gets elected president of Carver. Do you really think it's going to change anything around here? Make one single person smarter or happier or nicer? The only person it does matter to is the one who gets elected. The same pathetic charade happens every year, and everyone makes the same pathetic promises just so they can put it on their transcripts to get into college. So vote for me, because I don't even want to go to college, and I don't care, and as president I won't do anything. The only promise I will make is that if elected I will immediately dismantle the student government, so that none of us will ever have to sit through one of these stupid assemblies again! [the student body erupts in huge cheers. They start chanting "Tammy! Tammy!"] Or don't vote for me! Who cares? Don't vote at all! [they all rise to give her a standing ovation]

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Jim: Paul, what's your favorite fruit?
Paul: Pears.
Jim: [goes to the chalkboard] Pears, good. OK, let's say...
Paul: Oh, no wait! Apples.
Jim: Apples. Fine. [he starts drawing circles on the chalkboard] Let's say all you ever knew were apples. Apples, apples, and more apples. You might think apples were pretty good, even if you got a rotten one every once in a while. But then one day... [he draws another circle on the chalkboard] ...there's an orange. And now you can make a decision, do you want an apple or do you want an orange? That's democracy.
Paul: I also like bananas

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Tracy: [narrating] Now that I have more life experience, I feel sorry for Mr. McAllister. I mean, anyone who's stuck in the same little room, wearing the same stupid clothes, saying the exact same things year after year for his whole life, while his students go on to good colleges, move to big cities and do great things and make loads of money... He's got to be at least a little jealous. It's like my mom says, the weak are always trying to sabatoge the strong.

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Tammy: [narrating] Being suspended is like getting a paid vacation. Why do they think it's a punishment? It's like your dog pees on the carpet and you give him a treat...Hendricks told me, "One more time" and I'd be expelled. Sounded good to me.

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Jim: The sight of Tracy at that moment affected me in a way I can't fully explain. Part of it was that she was spying, but mostly it was her face. Who knew how high she would climb in life? How many people would suffer because of her? I had to stop her, now.

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Jim: Suddenly everyone knew who I was---that corrupt teacher who had tried to crush the dreams of an innocent girl. Overnight, all the good things I had ever done in my life evaporated. Soon the wire services picked up on the story. It was the kind of absurd news item people E-mail each other or post on the bulletin board at work.

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Jim: [narrating] What happens to a man when he loses everything? Everything he's worked for... everything he believes in? Driven from his home... cast out of society... how can he survive? Where can he go? New York City!

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Tammy: Catholic school was great! I mean, the teachers kind of sucked, and they were supposedly way more strict. But you could get away with murder. The best thing about lmmaculate Heart was meeting Jennifer.

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Tracy: When I got to Georgetown, I thought I'd finally be among people who were like me. You know, smarter, more ambitious people. I was sure that finally I'd make some true friends... It wasn't like that at all. A lot of them were just spoiled little rich kids who didn't know how lucky they had it. That's OK. I've come to accept that very few people are truly destined to be special, and we're solo fliers. I guess it really is like Dave said, "If you're gonna be great, you've got to be lonely."
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

One of those films that are supposed to "make people think". But they take all of the things they thought before with them into the theatre. So what they might possibly think afterwards is still going to be all over the map. We will always be stumbling into each other's narratives with narratives all our own.

It really didn't change my mind about much. It merely reinforced what I already suspected about this fucked up world we live in today: that money doesn't talk, it screams. And that love really isn't all we need.

In the end it didn't ring true for me. Instead, it sounded like what it is: scripted.

Just a note...

from imdb:

"Over 7,900 rubber frogs were made and used in the frog scenes. The rest were created by CGI. No real frogs were harmed during production."

MAGNOLIA
Written and directed by Paul Thomas Anderson

Frank: I am the one who's in charge. I am the one who says yes! No! Now! Here! Because it's universal, man. It is evolutional. It is anthropological. It is biological. It is animal. We! Are! Men!

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Stanley: I've got to go to the bathroom
Jimmy's assistant: Can you hold it?

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Jim [looking down at a dead body in the closet]: What the hell is this, Marcie?
Marcie: That ain't mine!!

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Claudia: Now that I've met you, would you object to never seeing me again?

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Frank: In this big game that we play, life, it's not what you hope for, it's not what you deserve, it's what you take.

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Thurston: It's dangerous to confuse children with angels.

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Claudia: I'll tell you everything, and you tell me everything, and maybe we can get through the piss and shit and lies that kill other people.

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Thurston: Brad, dear, who was it that said, "A man of genius has seldom been ruined but by himself"?...It was the lovely Samuel Johnson...Who also spoke of a fellow "who was not only dull but a cause of dullness in others."
Donnie: "The cause of dullness in others."
Thurston: Picky, picky!
Donnie: Let me tell you this. Samuel Johnson never had his life shit on and his money stolen! Who took his life and his money? His parents? His mommy and daddy?
Bar patron: Your parents took your money you won on that game show?
Donnie:Yes, they did!

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Frank: Is that still lingering? It's so boring.
Gwenovier: Just want to clear some things up.
Frank: It's a funny thing...This is an important element of "Seduce and Destroy". Facing the past is an important way of not making progress. This is something I tell my men over and over and over.

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Young Pharmacist: Strong, strong stuff here. What exactly you have wrong, you need all this stuff?
Linda: Motherfucker...
Young Pharmacist: What are you talking about?
Linda: Who the fuck are you, who the fuck do you think you are? I come in here, you don't know me, you don't know who I am, what my life is, you have the balls, the indecency to ask me a question about my life?
Linda: Fuck you, too. Don't call me "lady". I come in here, I give these things to you, you check, you make your phone calls, look suspicious, ask questions. I'm sick. I have sickness all around me and you fucking ask me about my life? "What's wrong?" Have you seen death in your bed? In your house? Where's your fucking decency? And then I'm asked fucking questions. What's... wrong? You suck my dick. That's what's wrong. And you, you fucking call me "lady"? Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on both of you!

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Jim: Sometimes people need a little help. Sometimes people need to be forgiven. And sometimes they need to go to jail.

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Stanley: Dad? You need to be nicer to me.

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Linda: I have to tell you something. I have something to tell you. I want to change his will. Can I change his will? I need to.
Alan: No, you can't change his will. Only Earl can.
Linda: No, you see, I never loved him. I never loved him. Earl. When I met him, I fucked him, and I married him because I wanted his money. You understand? I'm telling you this. I've never told anyone, I didn't love him but now, I know I'm in that will. We made that fucking thing, and all the money I'll get. I don't want it, because I love him so much now. I've fallen in love with him now for real as he's dying. I look at him, and he's about to go, Alan. He's moments away from dying. I took care of him through this. What now, then?...I don't want him to die. I didn't love him when we met and I did so many bad things to him that he doesn't know. Things that I want to confess to him. But now I do. I love him.
Alan: Linda, what kind of medication are you on?
Linda: This isn't any fucking medication talking! Can you give me nothing? You have power of attorney. Can you go in the final moments and change the will? I don't want any money. I couldn't live with myself with this thing that I've done.

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Frank: It hurts, doesn't it? You in a lot of pain? She was in a lot of pain. Right to the end, she was in a lot of pain. I know because I was there. You didn't like illness, though, did you? I was there. She waited for your call. For you to come. I am not going to cry. I am not going to cry for you! You cocksucker, I know you can hear me. I want you to know that I hate your fucking guts. You can just fucking die, you fuck. And I hope it hurts. I fucking hope it hurts.

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Narrator: And there is the account of the hanging of three men, and a scuba diver, and a suicide. There are stories of coincidence and chance, of intersections and strange things told, and which is which and who only knows? And we generally say, "Well, if that was in a movie, I wouldn't believe it." Someone's so-and-so met someone else's so-and-so and so on. And it is in the humble opinion of this narrator that strange things happen all the time. And so it goes, and so it goes. And the book says, "We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us."
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

This is a film the intent of which is to expose racialist thuggery. But I suspect any number of skinheads would revel in it. At least the first half. There is no dialogue speculating on why they do what they do other than in noting how there are fewer and fewer jobs for some because others are "brought over" by "the rich" to take them.

ROMPER STOMPER
Written and directed by Geoffrey Wright

Gabe: [noting NAZI paraphernalia that adorns Hando's room] Why do you have all this stuff?
Hando: Because I don't want to be a white cooly in my own country. 'Cause it's not our country anymore. 'Cause rich people, and powerful people brought in boat loads of human trash. Cheap labour, gooks mainly, and there's gonna be more. I want people to know I'm proud of my white history and white blood. One day it might be all I have.

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Skinhead: There are fucking thousands of them!

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Hando: We can get any sort of gun we want from Bully. All we need is the cash. We need it up front.
Tracey: if you lot are going to shoot people we're going.
Hando: Then go. We don't want any fucking passengers from here on in.

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Hando: I want guns. Luke, Magoo, Champ, Brett...I want revenge.

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Gabe: You want to knock over a house, do you?
Gabe: I know a place you could do.

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Martin: Who the hell are you?
Sonny Jim: We came to wreck everything, and ruin your life.

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Gabe: You live like shit! You can't even look after yourselves!

music over the closing credits:

He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

We have things. Then we want other things as well. We can either push the things we have aside or figure out a way to accommodate both. But the human heart [among other organs] isn't always willing to accommodate us. And so we get the underlying turbulence marbled throughout love and lust and life?

The bottom line [one of them]: We only have so much control over the things we think we understand about our lives.

DAMAGE
Directed by Louis Malle

Stephen: We must find a structure for this!

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Stephen: Who are you? Who?! Are?! You?!

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Anna: Damaged people are dangerous. They know they can survive.

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Stephen: I couldn't see past you.
Anna: I think you've never seen much at all.

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Stephen: What happened in Paris. The way I behaved. I've never had feelingd like this. I have to get them into some sort of order.

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Stephen: I was distant as a father. I know I was. You see, I thought you could control life...but it's not like that. There are things...There are things you can't control.
Martyn: Uh, that's right.
Stephen: Somehow you know that.

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Ingrid: The owner of the flat called to give Anna instructions on how to work the boiler. And it just happened that Martyn was there. He'd never heard of the flat. Never heard of it. He took the address. It was chance.

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Stephen: It takes a remarkably short time to withdraw from the world. I traveled until I arrived at a life of my own. What really makes us is beyond grasping. It's way beyond knowing. We give in to love because it gives us some sense of what is unknowable. Nothing else matters, not at the end.

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Stephen: I saw her once more only. I saw her by accident at an airport, changing planes. She didn't see me. She was with Peter. She was holding a child. She was no different from anyone else.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

A clash of cultures. Or, rather, a clash of cultures as they are imagined in Hollywood.

But this is a rather intriguing telling of narratives in conflict---one that revolves largely around "me" and another that revolves largely around "we". Any intelligent man or woman is able to embrace the best of both worlds. Though I suspect none is intelligent enough to distinguish that philosophically.

Note: There is what has got to be one of the most passionaite kisses ever filmed. Truly, love and lust on an epic scale.
I wonder how many takes it took.

WITNESS
Directed by Peter Weir

John: Oh yeah. I'm learning a lot about manure.

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Eli: 4:30. Time for milking.

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John: Not one this big. [Long pause; then Eli roars with laughter]

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Rachel: You don't understand. We want nothing to do with your laws.
John: Doesn't surprise me. A lot of people I meet are like that.

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John: [after Samuel and Rachel converse in German] What'd he say?
Rachel: He asked who you are, your name. I told him we didn't need to know anything about you.
John: Book... John Book.

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Rachel: Will you be coming back to take Samuel to trial?
John: There isn't going to be any trial.

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Rachel: My God, why didn't you get to a hospital?
John: No, no doctor. Gunshot wound, they have to make a report. If they make a report, they find me...and if they find me they find the boy.

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Schaeffer: Are you trying to tell me there is no way we can locate this woman? We're talking about 20th century law enforcement, Sergeant.
Sergeant: Well there's your problem, Chief. The Amish don't live in the 20th Century, don't think in the 20th Century. If the Amish have taken your man in I wouldn't want to hang on a rope until you find him. The problem is, about every third Amish man around here is named Lapp. And we have upwards of 14,000 Amish around. And that's just in Lancaster County. I don't have the manpower to send a deputy to every Lapp farm to see if they've got your Rachel.
Schaeffer: Maybe, Sergeant, you could do a little telephoning.
Sergeant: Yeah, maybe I could. But since the Amish don't have any phones, I wouldn't know who to call.
Schaeffer: Thank you, Sergeant. It's been an education.

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John: How do I look? Do I look Amish.
Rachel: You look plain.

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Rachel: You know carpentry. Can you do anything else?
John: Whacking. I'm hell at whacking

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Eli: What is it with you? Is this the Ordnung?
Rachel: I have done nothing against the rule of the Ordnung.
Eli: Nothing? You bring this man to our house with the gun of the hand. You bring fear to this house.
Rachel: I've commited no sin.
Eli: Maybe. Maybe not yet. But, Rachel, it does not look good. You know there has been talk. Talk about going to the Bishop and having you shunned.
Rachel: That is idle talk.
Eli: Do not take it lightly. Rachel, they can do it. They can do it just like that...You know what it means, shunning. I cannot sit at table with you. I cannot take anything from your hand. I cannot go to worship with you. Child, do not go so far.
Rachel: I'm not a child.
Eli: But you are acting like one.
Rachel: I'll be the judge of that.
Eli: No, they will be the judge of that. And so will I. If you shame me...
Rachel: You shame yourself.

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Schaeffer: I know he's with the Amish. God, I'd give anything to see him now. Can you see John at a prayer meeting?!

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Eli: It's not our way.
John: But it's my way.
Eli: Book! No!

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Rachel: I should tell you this kind of coat doesn't have buttons. See? Hooks and eyes.
John: Something wrong with buttons?
Rachel: Buttons are proud and vain, not plain.
John: Got anything against zippers?
Rachel: Are you making fun of me?
John [softly]: No.

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John: If we'd made love last night I'd have to stay. Or you'd have to leave

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Eli: This gun of the hand is for the taking of human life. We believe it is wrong to take a life. That is only for God. Many times wars have come and people have said to us: you must fight, you must kill, it is the only way to preserve the good. But Samuel, there's never only one way. Remember that. Would you kill another man?
Samuel: I would only kill the bad man.
Eli: Only the bad man. I see. And you know these bad men by sight? You are able to look into their hearts and see this badness?
Samuel: I can see what they do. I have seen it.

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Rachel: He's leaving, isn't he?
Eli: Tomorrow morning. He'll need his city clothes.
Rachel: But why? What's he going back to? Nothing.
Eli: He's going back to his world, where he belongs. He knows it, and you know it, too.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

The "war on drugs". As ludicrous now as it was back then. Of course, the most dangerous drugs by far -- booze and cigarettes -- are still legal. And political corruption may as well be.

Supposedly based on actual events. And actual characters.

THE FRENCH CONNECTION
Directed by William Friedkin

Chemist: Blast off: one-eight-oh. Two hundred: Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. Two ten: U.S. Government certified. Two twenty: lunar trajectory, junk of the month club, sirloin steak. Two thirty: Grade A poison. Absolute dynamite. Eighty-nine percent pure junk. Best I've ever seen. If the rest is like this, you'll be dealing on this load for two years.

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Popeye: All right! You put a shiv in my partner. You know what that means? Goddammit! All winter long I got to listen to him gripe about his bowling scores. Now I'm gonna bust your ass for those three bags and I'm gonna nail you for picking your feet in Poughkeepsie.

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Popeye: If that's not a drop I'll open up a charge for you at Bloomingdale's.

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Weinstock: [to the Chemist] Thank you, Howard. Take what's left there with you and good night. Ah-ah... not that one. The little one.

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Walt: [seething] Jimmy! You've wasted two months on this! No collars are coming in while you two guys are running around town jerking off! Now go back to work! You're off Special Assignment!

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Boca: Look, I'm telling you, he'll take the deal somewhere else.
Weinstock: So let him take sixty kilos of heroin somewhere else and find out how easy it is to put together half a million in cash. You won't find there's any hurry to do this kind of business.
Boca: The stuff is here! We can make the switch in an hour! Look Weinstock, I'm telling you they'll split if we don't move. This guy's got them like that, he's everything they say he is!
Weinstock: What about you, Sal? Are you everything they say YOU are?

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Mulderig: Nothing in there except a New York City map.
Popeye: Are you bullshitting me? That car's dirty. Take it in and tear it apart!

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Cloudy: What was the weight of the car when you got it, Irv?
Irv: 4,795 pounds.
Cloudy: The owner's manuel says 4,675. It's 120 pounds overweight. Popeye's gotta be right.
Irv: Listen, I ripped everything out of there, except for the rocker panels.
Popeye: Come on, Irv, what the hell's that?!

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Cloudy: Mulderig. You shot Mulderig!
Popeye. That son of a bitch is here, I saw him. I'm going to get him.

But he doesn't. Frog one vanishes into thin air.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

The lies that Glass foisted on the "liberal" owners at The New Republic isn't the scandal here. The scandal is the truth that journalists like this [across the board] refuse to own up to. Many of these "kids" don't even grasp it. The corporate press is a function of political economy. It is summed up each and every year at the White House correspondents dinner.

And talk about men and women who live in a "world of words". And it is always each other's.

All that aside, this is still a riveting film. The inherent drama embedded in someone's life falling apart at the seams. Someone in the "public eye". However small that public might be.

SHATTERED GLASS
Directed by Billy Ray

Stephen: I didn't do anything wrong, Chuck.
Chuck: I really wish you'd stop saying that.

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Adam: A major software company with only one phone line?

...

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Adam: But there is one thing in the story that checks out.
Kambiz: What's that?
Adam: There does appear to be a state in the union named Nevada.

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Amy: Have you noticed the way Steve's phone has been ringing lately? Did you see all those editors at the correspondence dinner? The way they were circling him?
Caitlin: Is that what you want, Amy? To get a bunch of smoke blown up your ass by a pack of editors?
Amy: Yes. Yes it is

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Stephen: You don't know how things go where I grew up, Caitlin. There are rules there. If your son's not a doctor or a lawyer, you keep your curtains closed.
Caitlin: You're writing for The New-fucking-Republic. Isn't that good enough?
Stephen: Not in Highland Park.

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Amy: How about the commas and dates? Are we supposed to circle those too?
Caitlin: Let's just get this done, okay?
Michael: What the hell is this?
Catlin: Marty told us to circle all the commas in the last issue, so he could show us how we used them improperly.
Michael: What?!
David: He said, "Commas should always appear in pairs." Apparently the issue was rife with comma errors.
Michael: "Rife"?
Caitlin: That's what he said.

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Stephen: It's in my notes.

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Stephen: I'm afraid that I'm...I'm going to do something, okay? Did you hear what I said?
Chuck: Yeah. It's a hell of a story.
Chuck: Stop pitching, Steve. It's over.

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Chuck: Caitlin, When this thing blows, there isn't going to be a magazine anymore. If you want to make this about Mike, make it about Mike. I don't give a shit. You can resent me, you can hate me, but come Monday morning, we're all going to have to answer for what we let happen here. We're all going to have an apology to make! Jesus Christ! Don't you have any idea how much shit we're about to eat? Every competitor we ever took a shot at, they're going to pounce. And they should. Because we blew it, Caitlin. He handed us fiction after fiction and we printed them all as fact. Just because...we found him "entertaining."

Again, making this a "big scandal" in our corporate media is like reducing the Nixon adminstration scandals down to the Watergate break in!
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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What if it's even more mysterious than this? And what can we really know about someone we are not? After all, many don't even have a clearer understanding of who they think they are themselves. How strange is it that others might go after what utterly appalls us? Or ask silly questions like, "what's it all mean?"

Suffer the little children. And some big ones too.

MYSTERIOUS SKIN
Written and directed by Gregg Araki

Brian: [narrating] The summer I was 8 years old, five hours disappeared from my life. Five hours. Lost. Gone without a trace....Last thing I remember I was sitting on the bench at my Little League game. It started to rain. What happened after that remains a pitch black void.

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Neil [narrating]: I met Wendy Peterson when I was ten. She was eleven, one grade ahead of me in school. If I wasn't queer we would have ended up having sloppy teenage sex and getting pregnant, contributing more fucked-up unwanted kids to society. But instead, she became my soulmate

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Man: I know what you're thinking. That wasn't safe. But we're in Kansas, thank God, not some big city full of diseases. Plus, you're only a kid.

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Wendy: Even Hutchinson has its share of freaks. You trick with the wrong guy and I'd find pieces of you everywhere.

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Neil: I am so fucking sick of this stinkin' little buttcrack of a town!!!

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Neil: I hate it when they look like Tarzan but sound like Jane.

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Eric: I got a postcard from Wendy.
Neil: I think she's mad at me because I owe her like 3 letters.
Eric: Yeah, her last P.S. is "Tell Fuckface to write me."

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Wendy: You'd better be careful.
Eric: Of what?
Wendy: I'm serious, Eric. You're not in Modesto anymore. I see the way you look at him.
Eric: He's so beautiful. I can't help it. He's like a god.
Wendy: You don't have to tell me, I was infatuated with him too once. But I know all Neil's secrets and there's shit there you don't even want to know about. Trust me. Once I'm gone, you'll be all Neil has and you have to understand one thing. Where normal people have a heart, Neil McCormick has a bottomless black hole. And if you don't watch out, you can fall in and get lost forever.

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Neil: Different folks, different strokes.

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Eric: "Okay" is a relative term.

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Wendy: We're not in Kansas anymore, Neil. You have got to be so careful.
Neil: I know.
Wendy: Don't "l know" me, Neil McCormick. This is New York City. You do the wrong thing with the wrong person and you die.

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Dad: Brian, don't be like this. I drove all this way. I just wanted to see how you're doing.
Brian: Well, let me tell you what I want to know. Something happened to me when I was little. Do you know what I'm talking about? What happened to me that night I woke up bleeding in the cellar? Where were you that night?
Brian: Quit avoiding the subject! I was bleeding, I kept passing out! I wet my fucking bed and you never asked why! And what about that Halloween when I blacked out again? Something happened to me both those nights! What do you know about it? Tell me!

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Neil: Then we played the 5 dollar game.

Neil: [narrating] And as we sat there listening to the carolers, I wanted to tell Brian it was over now and everything would be okay. But that was a lie, plus, I couldn't speak anyway. I wish there was some way for us to go back and undo the past. But there wasn't. There was nothing we could do. So I just stayed silent and trying to telepathically communicate how sorry I was about what had happened. And I thought of all the grief and sadness and fucked up suffering in the world, and it made me want to escape. I wished with all my heart that we could just leave this world behind. Rise like two angels in the night and magically disappear.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: philosophy in film

Some might find it hard to wrap their minds around this one. She's just a kid. But then she is anything but just the kid we imagine being exploited and abused by the monsters out there. Precocious? Oh, yeah: "Think a baby reads Zadie Smith?"

On the other hand, this creep -- and he really, really is a creep -- deserved all that he got and more. But the movie jumped the shark when the crimes are ratcheted up and the plot becomes a...thriller?

HARD CANDY

Hayley: I guess they, uh, weren't brass.

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Jeff: Ah, so you and your mom are both wacked?
Hayley: I dunno. There's that whole nature versus nurture question, right? Was I born a cute, vindictive, little bitch or... did society make me that way?

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Jeff: Those letters are mine.
Hayley: Nothing's yours when you invite a teenager into your home.

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Hayley: You used the same phrases about Goldfrapp as they use on Amazon.com. Busted! By the way...I hate Goldfrapp.

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Hayley: You remember what I said about not drinking anything you didn't mix yourself? That's good advice for everyone.

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Hayley: Jeff, playtime is over. Now it's time to wake up.

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Hayley: Wow... You know, that is so thoughtful! You are speaking to me so selflessly! I mean, you just don't want me to castrate you for my own benefit? Wow, I'm touched. Jeff, why don't we imagine someone saying the same thing to you at a random moment? Imagine that when you downloaded this little girl... I was sitting by your side, saying, "Stop, don't do that to yourself." Would you have listened?

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Jeff: Who the hell are you?
Hayley: I am every little girl you ever watched, touched, hurt, screwed, killed.

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Jeff: Don't...
Hayley: Jeff, you'll save yourself so much time if you just drop that word from your vocabulary. I'm going to do what I want.

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Hayley: This is what they make those federal laws for, Jeff. This is officially sick.

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Jeff: You were coming on to me!
Hayley: Oh, come on. That's what they always say, Jeff.
Jeff: Who?
Hayley: Who? The pedophiles! 'Oh, she was so sexy. She was asking for it.' 'She was only technically a girl, she acted like a woman.' It's just so easy to blame a kid, isn't it! Just because a girl knows how to imitate a woman, does NOT mean she's ready to do what a woman does. [pause] I mean, you're the grown up here. If a kid is experimenting and says something flirtatious, you ignore it, you don't encourage it! If a kid says 'Hey, let's make screwdrivers!' You take the alcohol away, and you don't race them to the next drink!

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Hayley: I shouldn't have teased you. I shouldn't have made you think there was a way out of this.

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Hayley: Do you want some souviners? No? What should we do with them? We could see how far they bounce.

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Hayley: [holding up a picture] Why is this girl so special? Huh? Why does she get to keep her clothes on?

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Hayley: Yeah. You might. You might get jail time. I dunno: therapy, drugs, group discussions, notifying people when you move into a new house. How bad is that, really?
Jeff: It'll ruin my career, ruin my life.
Hayley: Well, didn't Roman Polanski just win an Oscar?
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The human mind, the human heart, the human condition. The varibles, being infinite, make for some truly extraordinary interactions.

RAIN MAN
Directed by Barry Levinson

Susanna: You use me, you use Raymond, you use everybody.
Charlie: Using Raymond? Hey Raymond, am I using you? Am I using you Raymond?
Raymond: Yeah.
Charlie: Shut up! He is answering a question from a half hour ago!

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John Mooney: I can see you are disappointed.
Charlie: Disappointed? Why should I be disappointed? I got rose bushes didn't I? I got a used car, didn't I? This other guy, what'd you call him?
John Mooney: The beneficiary.
Charlie: Yeah him, he got $3,000,000 but he didn't get the rose bushes. I got the rose bushes. I definitely got the rose bushes. Those are rose bushes! John Mooney: Mr. Babbitt, there's no reason to... Charlie: To what? To get upset? If there is a hell, sir, my father is in it and he is looking up right now and he is laughing his ass off. Sanford Babbitt, you wanna be that guy's son for five minutes? I mean did you hear that letter? Were you listening? John Mooney: Yes I was. Were you? ... Charlie: How do you know this car? Raymond: It's a 1949 Buick Roadmaster. Straight 8. Fireball 8. Only 8,985 production models. Dad lets me drive slow on the driveway. But not on Monday, definitely not on Monday. Charlie: Who's your dad? Raymond: Sanford Babbitt. 10961 Beachcrest Street, Cincinnati Ohio. Charlie: That's my address. Hey, who's your mother? Raymond: Eleanor Babbitt. Died January 5, 1965 after short and sudden illness. Charlie: Who the hell are you? Raymond: Uh oh, fifteen minutes to Judge Wapner. ... Raymond: Ten minutes to Wapner. We're definitely locked in this box with no TV. ... Charlie: [talking to the woman who answers the door] I'm sorry ma'am, I lied to you. I'm very sorry about that. That man right there is my brother and if he doesn't get to watch 'People's Court' in about 30 seconds, he's gonna throw a fit right here on your porch. Now you can help me or you can stand there and watch it happen. ... Charlie: You? You're the Rain Man? ... Raymond: Gotta get my boxer shorts at K-Mart. Charlie: [gets out of the car and starts screaming] WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHERE YOU BUY UNDERWEAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? UNDERWEAR IS UNDERWEAR! IT IS UNDERWEAR WHEREVER YOU BUY IT! IN CINCINNATI OR WHEREVER! Raymond: K-Mart. ... Charlie: When I was a little kid and I got scared, the Rain Man would come and sing to me. ... Raymond: 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. Charlie: Ray, enough already! Change the channel. Raymond: 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. ... Charlie: This is a good one. 'We don't go out when it rains.' This is a good one. I hope you appreciate this... because my business is going down the toilet. I should be in L.A. Instead I'm in the Honeymoon Haven Motel in Bumblefuck, Missouri... because you won't go out when it rains. ... Charlie: What are you writing?... What the fuck is this? "Serious Injury List"? Serious injury list? Are you fucking kidding me? Raymond: Number eighteen in 1988, Charlie Babbitt squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988. Charlie: "Squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988?" ... Charlie: Hey, Ray, you take a shower right? Raymond: Yeah. Charlie: Well the rain is a lot like the shower, you get a little wet. What do you say, Ray? What do you say? Raymond: Of course the shower is in the bathroom. Charlie: That's the end of that conversation. ... Charlie: Ray, you're never gonna solve it. It's not a riddle because Who is on first base. That's a joke, Ray, it's comedy, but when you do it you're not funny. You're like the comedy of Abbott and Abbott. ... Raymond: [to Susanna] Are you taking any prescription medication? Vern: He likes you, that's just his way of showing it. Susanna: When I touched him, he pulled away. Vern: Don't take it personal. He never touched me and I'm closer to him than anyone in the world, known him for nine years. It's not in him. If I left tomorrow without saying goodbye, he probably wouldn't notice. Susanna: He wouldn't notice if you left? Vern: I'm not sure but I don't think people are his first priority. ... Charlie: Ray, all airlines have crashed at one time or another, that doesn't mean that they are not safe. Raymond: QANTAS. QANTAS never crashed. Charlie: QANTAS? Raymond: Never crashed. Charlie: Oh that's gonna do me a lot of good because QANTAS doesn't fly to Los Angeles out of Cincinnati, you have to get to Melbourne! Melbourne, Australia in order to get the plane that flies to Los Angeles! ... Raymond: [after Charlie throws underwear out of car] Uh oh. Underwear on the highway. Uh oh. ... Susanna [kissing Raymond]: How was that? Raymond: Wet. ... Charlie: I just realized I'm not pissed off anymore my father cut me out of his will. You probably knew he tried to contact me over the years. I never called him back. I was a prick. If he was my son and didn't return my calls, I'd have written him out too, fuck him. But it's not about the money anymore. You know, I just don't understand. Why didn't he tell me I had a brother? Why didn't anyone ever tell me that I had a brother? Because it'd have been nice to know him for more than just the past six days. ... Dr. Bruner: Raymond, wouldn't you feel more relaxed in your favorite K-Mart clothes? Charlie: Tell him, Ray. Raymond: K-Mart sucks And what a great soundtrack. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film "Ran" translated means "chaos" or "revolt". It is not for nothing that Kurosawa assigns the Fool the task of narrating the "meaning" behind this tale. The tale being one that exams the human condition sans blinders. You either turn it into a punch line or the terrible deeds [eventually] drive you insane. Unless, of course, it is you who are committing them. But, as always, this meaning rings more or less true as dasein. [Note: You can turn off the sound and the subtitles and marvel only in the film making itself. It is a visual feast. The sacking of the castle alone is extraordinary.] RAN [1985] Directed by Akira Kurosawa Kyoami: Man is born crying. When he has cried enough, he dies. ... Hidetora: I am lost... Kyoami: Such is the human condition. Hidetora: This path...I remember...We came this way before. Kyoami: Men always travel the same road. If you're tired of it, jump! ... Hidetora: What madness have I spoken? Wherein lies my senility? Saburo: I'll tell you. What kind of world do we live in? One barren of loyalty and feeling. Hidetora: I'm aware of that. Saburo: So you should be! You spilled an ocean of blood. You showed no mercy, no pity. We too are children of this age... weaned on strife and chaos. We are your sons, yet you count on our fidelity. In my eyes, that makes you a fool. A senile old fool! ... Saburo: What misery! Tango: What will you do now? Saburo: I grieve for Father, not myself. The horror ahead of him... ... Lady Kaede: ....the banner My lord it belongs with the head of the house of Ichimonji. Taro: But Father is keeping his title and insignia. Lady Kaede: Without them, you are a shadow. Taro: What do you mean? He made it clear that I am now in command. Lady Kaede: In that case behave as if you are. ... Lady Kaede: I was born and raised in this castle. It belonged to my father. I left it to marry you. My father and brothers, after the marriage relaxed their vigilance. Hidetora murdered them. Now I am back in my family castle. How I have longed for this day. But for another day even more. Jiro: Don't lick your chops yet. Taro is easy pickings. He is a weakling. His wife, Lady Kaede, is another story. ... Hidetora [to Lady Sue]: Still the same sad face. When I see you it breaks my heart. It's worse when you smile. I burned down your castle and your father and mother perished. And you look at me like that. Look upon me with hatred. It would be easier to bear. Go on, hate me! Lady Sue: I don't hate you. All is decided in our previous lives. The Buddha embraces all things. Hidetora: Buddha again! ... Tango: Is he mad? Kyoami: And better off for it. In a mad world only the mad are sane. ... Tango: He is himself again! Kyoami: More's the pity. He is better off mad. ... Kurogane: Lord Jiro feels it unwise to keep you in his service. Men who betray one master may betray another. A reasonable point of view. ... Lady Kaede: Lord Kurogane, at the Second Castle there is a supply of salt? Lord Kurogame: Of course, why? Lady Kaede: When you bring back her head salt it first. Otherwise, in this heat we'll be unable to look at it. Lady Sue is so beautiful it would be ungracious to her. ... Hidetora: What is this place? Kyoami: Paradise! ... Kurogame: There are many foxes hereabouts. It is said they take human form. Take care, my lord. Beware. They often impersonate women. In Central Asia a fox seduced King Pan Tsu and made him kill men. In China he married King Yu and ravaged the land. In Japan, as Princess Tamamo he caused great havoc at court. He became a white fox with nine tails. Then they lost trace of him. Some people say he has settled down [pointing in the direction of Lady Kaede] here. ... Kyoami: I was the fool and made you laugh. Now the coin is flipped. Don't be mute, say something. You speak nonsense, I'll speak truth. We'll see what comes of it. ... Hidetora: I'm a worm, don't crush me! Kyoami: Who'd bother to crush a worm?! ... Hidetora: He is dead. You and I live, but Saburo...you can't die! ... Tango: It doesn't seem possible. He isn't here to share this. Hidetora is also gone. Why? Kyoami: Are there no gods, no Buddha? If you exist, hear me! You are mischievous and cruel! Are you so bored up there you must crush us like ants? Is it such fun to see men weep? Tango: Enough! Do not blaspheme! It is the gods who weep. They see us killing each other over and over since time began. They can't save us from ourselves. Don't cry! It's how the world is made. Men prefer sorrow over joy...suffering over peace. Then that haunting final scene: a blind Tsurumaru at the abyss, the image of Buddha, the flute, the dirge. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Some things [as they say] have to be seen to be believed. But other things, even after you've seen them, you are at a loss to explain what exactly it was that you saw. You can barely express what you think you have seen. And be prepared for those who believe they have seen something entirely different. The blurb on the back of the dvd: "From the nightmarish imagination of György Pálfi comes Taxidermia, a surrealistic assault on the senses following three generations of men [an obese speed eater, an embalmer of gigantic cats, and a man who shoots flames out of his penis], who are damned from birth." There are lives of others we can barely begin to imagine. But then we have wonder in turn: can they not barely begin to imagine our own lives as well? TAXIDERMIA Written and directed by György Pálfi English language trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_TReXQ_K1M Last edited by iambiguous on Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:53 am, edited 1 time in total. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Of all the ways in which to imagine yourself dying, this has surely got to be one of the most harrowing... If the end of this film stays stuck in your head longer than it stayed stuck in mine you have my sympathy. Yet there are people who claim this is actually a "happy ending"! If you are one of them then, by all means, let's discuss it here. When something torments us, what are we willing to endure in order just to know what happened? THE VANISHING [Spoorloos] 1988 Directed by George Sluizer Raymond: Let's see...12cc is equal to...How much do I have? Yes, 18 minutes, 54 seconds. 18 minutes, 54 seconds is equal to 17 miles, more or less. That leaves me a margin of 3 or 4 minutes. That's not bad. Not bad. An anal psychopath? And yet he seems so normal. Raymond: At Martinez's, you wanted to crucify anyone who kidnapped young girls. I even asked, "What if I'd done it?" You laughed in my face! ... Rex: Sometimes I imagine she's alive. Somewhere far away. She's very happy. And then, I have to make a choice. Either I let her go on living and never know, or I let her die and find out what happened. So I let her die. ... Rex: Know what I'm afraid of? That he'll stop sending postcards. What if he's dead? Then I'll never know. ... Television journalist: In this crowded square in Arles, there might be a murderer. You might see him, but you won't realize it. He's just another face in the crowd. Daughter: Daddy, look! There we are! ... Journalist: Do you have any idea what kind of person he could be? Rex: I think...no, I'm sure...he's...he's very intelligent, can go unnoticed, and is a total perfectionist. Bingo? Rex [from interview on tv] I hope this gentleman is listening. There's something I want to tell him. I want to meet you. I want to know what happened to my friend. To know that, I'm prepared to do anything. I don't hate you. I don't hate anything. But I need to know. I need to know. ... Raymond: Mr.Hofman. I'm the man you're looking for. ... Raymond: You can kill me. I acknowledge your right to do so. I'll take the risk. But I'm banking on your curiosity. You want to know what happened to Saskia. ... Raymond: Everyone has those thoughts, but no one ever jumps. I told myself: "Imagine you're jumping." Is it predestined that I won't jump? How can it be predestined that I won't? So, to go against what is predestined, one must jump. I jumped. The fall was a holy event. I broke my left arm and lost 2 fingers. Why did I jump? A slight abnormality in my personality, imperceptible to those around me. You can find me listed in the medical encyclopedias under "Sociopath" in the new editions. ... Rex: What did you do to her? Raymond: I'll tell you. I promised you that. But the only way to tell you, is to make you share the exact same experience. Rex: You're completely insane. Raymond: It doesn't matter, really. Rex: So she isn't dead? Raymond: Drink. ... Raymond: Mr.Hofman, I've been analyzing what goes in your head for the last 3 years. You can leave. Even go to the police with the keys. But then, you'll never know what happened to Saskia. On the other hand, drink and you'll know. In less than 1 hour, I guarantee you. ... Raymond: So? Rex: I told myself: "Imagine you're drinking." Where is it predestined I won't drink? So, to go against what is predestined, I must drink. ... Rex [screaming]: HELP! HELP!....HELP!!....[then plaintively] Saskia...Saskia... ... Newspaper headline: MYSTERIOUS DOUBLE DISAPPEARANCE AFTER SASKIA WAGTER HER FRIEND REX HOFMAN He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Is this just a metaphor for all the other metaphors that have attempted to capture both the meaning and the meaninglessness embedded in both our industrial and post industrial world? Insert "I" and pick one. On the other hand: Jack Nance: "You guys get way too deep over this business. I don't take it all that seriously. It's only a movie." In any event, Pernell Roberts was sure a lucky guy. From IMDb: "The mutant baby was apparently created from the embalmed fetus of a calf, although David Lynch has never confirmed this or described how he articulated it. During filming when he watched rushes, he even had the projectionist cover his eyes when takes with the baby were playing, so that no one would know how it was made. After completing the film, Lynch reportedly buried the 'Embalmed Calf' in an undisclosed location." You can't help but wonder then: If it was dug up how much would it go for today on ebay? How much would you pay? ERASERHEAD Written and directed by David Lynch Mrs. X: It's Henry isn't it? Mary tells me you're a very nice fellow. What do you do? Henry: Oh, I'm on vacation ... Mr. X: I thought I heard a stranger. We've got chicken tonight. Strangest damn things. They're man made. Little damn things. Smaller than my fist. But they're new. Hi, I'm Bill. Henry: Hello there. I'm Henry. Mrs. X: Henry works at LaPelle's Factory. Mr. X: Oh. Printing's your business? Plumbing's mine. For 30 years now. I've watched this neighborhood change from pastures to the hell-hole it is now! ... Mary X: Mother, they're still not sure it is a baby! ... Lady in the Radiator: [singing] In Heaven, everything is fine. In Heaven, everything is fine. You've got your good things. And I've got mine. ... Beautiful Girl Across the Hall: I locked myself out of my apartment [pause] and it's so late [long pause] Where's your wife? Henry: She must've gone back to her parents, again. I'm not sure. Beautiful Girl Across the Hall: Can I spend a night here? ... Henry: Oh! You are sick! He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Films like this come out all the time. They purportedly take us "inside" Wall Street and show us how it really works. We get introduced to the Gordon Gekkos [Milken, Boesky et al] who pull the strings behind the curtain. The idea being that if it weren't for these greedy miscreants the "system" would work more equitably for all of us. And, sure, up to a point that is true. But rarely are we introduced to the other half of the equation...to the folks who play the "cronies" in "crony capitalism". In other words, to the political ruling class in Washington. What folks like Marx and Engels referred to as our "political economy". BARBARIANS AT THE GATE Directed by: Glenn Jordan Ross: I love this: "CEO F. Ross Johnson routinely presses$50 bills into the hands of wine stewards." $50 bills! Jesus, it's been years since I tipped that little. ... Ross: Every penny you think I'm pissin' away here comes back to us dressed up as a nickel" ... Don: Renoir Ross: Ballpark? Don:$20 or $30 million. Ross: Is that with the frame? ... Don: Monet. Ross: Yeah, right, tons of it. ... Ross: I've never been a big fan of debt. Kravis: Debt can be an asset. Debt tightens a company. Ross: It does wonders for the sphincter, too. ... Ross: All we have to do is just stay cool until Ed gets the test results on Premiers. You just watch, those babies are gonna turn the whole company around. To wit: Ross: Bottom line? Scientist: Well of all the people we surveyed the results were just about uniform Ross: Uh huh. Ed: They all said they tasted like shit. Ross: Like shit? Scientist: Shit was the consensus, yes sir. Ross: They all said that? Nobody liked them? Scientist: Fewer than 5% Ross: You said the results were gonna be terrific Ed: Well there's nothing wrong with 5%, Ross, I'll take 5% of the market anytime of the week Ross: How much are we into right now? Scientist: Right now? Ross: To date, to here, to now? Scientist: Upwards of 350. Ross: We've spent 350 million dollars and we come up with a turd with a tip? God almighty, Ed! We put enough technology in this project to send a cigarette to the moon and we come up with one that tastes like it took a dump? Ed: We haven't even talked about the smell. Ross: Oh, what did they say that was like? A fart? Ed: Yep. Ross: Oh, you're not serious! They really said that? Scientist: We have an awful lot of fart figures. Ross: Tastes like shit and smells like a fart! Got ourselves one hell of a product on our hands...it's one unique advertising strategy I'll tell ya that. ... Ross: How do we get them shitless?!! ... Ross: And what the hell is wrong with the draw?! You need an extra set of lungs just to take a drag! Scientist: It's a little difficult. Ross: A little difficult? Scientist: It's what we call the hernia effect. Ross. Is that what we call it? There's another great billboard for you! What do we do, give a truss away with every pack? "Warning: This cigarette can tear your balls off!" ... Ross: Wherever you light one up you're in the shithouse! ... Linda: You sure Ross, they're that bad? Ross: Trust me. We huffed and we puffed and we came up with a filtered Edsel. If I could, I'd burn everyone of them except you can't set fire to the fuckers. ... Ross: If you're not happy with the new brass, your sererance deal plus your 50,000 shares of Nabisco, you could walk away with 7 million bucks, maybe more. We're not talking just "fuck you" money, we're talking "walk everybody" money! John: Fuck everybody, right Ross. ... Vernon: You don't think the shares will get a big boost once we start selling Premiers? Ross: Well, uh, they're still a crap shoot. ... Kravis: Of all the people in the world, why Peter Cohen? Shearson has no real experience with leveraged buyouts. You sure don't start with the biggest one ever. ... Peter: Trust me, in a week this is a done deal. ... Linda: Peter and Henry speak the same language. Ross: Hell, I speak bullshit. I picked it up on my first day in New York. ... George: And what's Ross's deal, also somewhere between zero and one hundred percent? ... George: We're just offering you a variety of options. Peter: Well, you can stick that one up a variety of asses. ... Ross: Anyone in this crowd not worth at least nine figures and they think you're on food stamps. ... Dick Cavett [on television]: You want to know what$20 billion could get you these days? How about, you could retire 1% of our national debt. Or you could buy your own B-1 bomber. You could buy each of the homeless and every single person on the planet a Big Mac, an order of fries and a coke. You could buy 80 million vowels on Wheel of Fortune or you could send Dan Quayle to the University of Indiana Law School for 6.8 million years.

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George: Sure glad you guys don't make cigars.
Ed: Smoke bothers you?
George: Only if I am in the same city with it.
Ed: Fucking beautiful...

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Teddy: You're meeting with Kravis now? That's why we've been sitting around waiting, killin' time, choking on those new shit cigarettes?
Ross: Where did you get a Premier?
Teddy: In the other office.
Ross: Nobody's supposed to smoke those.
Teddy: I don't think that'll be a problem.

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Teddy: Ross, let's stand at the gate and push the barbarians back!

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Caroline: Do you honestly and truly need Nabisco? Aren't there any other companies that would make you just as happy?
Kravis: It's not the company, it's the credibility. My credibility. I just can't sit on the bench and let other people play the game. Not my game....Not with their rules.

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George: We've got our own Deep Throat!

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Jim: Are they as bad as they said?
Ross: Premiers? I'll level with you. When they were being tested some people suggested we roll them in toilet paper.

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Ross: Premiers. Perfect name I thought. Titanics would have been a better one.

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Linda: This town worships success. What it roots for is failure.

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Ross: And fuck you, Tom Brokaw.

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Ross: Jesus, this newspaper article makes me look like the greediest son of a bitch in the world!

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Ross: However it turns out, your opinion of me means an awful lot in my life, Charlie.
Charlie: We're down to the numbers now, Ross, that's all that matters [after Ross leaves the office] Now I know what the "F" in "F. Ross Johnson" stands for.

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Peter: I'm telling you we play right into Kravis's hand if we don't raise our bid. They're laying low to clobber us. This is just a head fake. It's a PR job.
Linda: Well, if it is it is a masterful one.
Peter: I don't mind those once in a while. Just for a change.

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John [in the elevator]: Ross.
Ross: Do me one favor, John, don't wish me luck.

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Kravis: We are not interested in open-end bidding.
Charlie: Give us just one hour.
Kravis: All right. You pay our expenses to date and we'll wait.
Charlie: How much are we talking about?
Kravis: I'd say it comes to a hell of a lot more, but we'll settle for $45 million. Charlie:$45 million for one hour [pause] I think I can sell it.

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Charlie: In the end, the deciding factor...the one that made the Kravis offer more attractive...was the fact that you were not part of it. Nobody is going to deny there isn't a fair amount of greed going around these days. I guess it's just a question of how much greed is fair. This, yours, was over the top. It was simply too naked.

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Ross: I just dropped by to say thank you. For making me a hero with the stockholders. $25.7 billion dollars for the company. In their wettest dreams they never thought they'd get that rich. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Hollywood uses the beautiful people of course but it is applicable to almost everyone: men [most men] think with an organ other than the one women do. Then it's just a matter of arguing back and forth about nature vs. nurture. Also, if you're the man, it helps to be more beautiful than the women you are fucking over. And this is one exceptional dude. Or is it more along the lines that the women are hardly fleshed out at all. Two of them but he is the one Toback chooses to give loads of dimensions to. And a key question: What would be his reaction if he found out that they were doing the same? Well, they were. Is there a way then in which to circumscribe commitment rationally? Anyway, I wasn't suppose to [according to all the critics] but I really liked this movie. I still do, in fact. TWO GIRLS AND A GUY Written and directed by James Toback Carla: Blake Allen. Lou: Yeah. That's his name. Who are you? Carla: His girlfriend. Lou: I'm his girlfriend. I'm his girlfriend. [long pause] Carla: American Airlines, flight 11? ... Carla: "You Don't Know Me". No wonder it's his favorite song. It should be his anthem. ... Carla: ...he figured if one of us didn't work out then the other might. What he didn't count on was both of us working out. ... Lou: Oh my God, I am going to cut it off. I'm going to sclice it off sliver by sliver with an electric meat slicer! ... Blake: Every other girl on earth, to me is like something that came from under a rock. It's disgusting to me. It makes me fucking sick! It disgust me! It's like smelling vomit. Lou [coming out into the open]: Including me? Blake: Wow. Whoa. This is a shock. This is a surprise. Okay, this is a massive shattering shock. But I must say as difficult as it will be to believe me at this moment, there's an absolutely legitimate explanation. ... Blake: Do you want the truth? Carla: No, we want another lie. Blake: No, seriously. The truth. The truth, um... Lou: Look at him. The very words "the truth is" make him draw a blank. ... Blake: I have lied about nothing except sexual fidelity. ... Blake: I may have been hiding parts of my life from both of you to avoid causing pain. But I didn't say anything to either one of you that I didn't whole-heartedly mean. Carla: If you believe what you just said it's worse than if you don't. ... Blake: What am I concealing? Carla: You may not even be aware of it. Lou: Lying comes like breathing to you. ... Blake: I am an actor. And actors lie. ... Lou: You're a lying, mugging, misogynistic, unemployable, short, loft-inheriting, piece-of-shit fraud....Fuck you! Blake: I'm short now too, huh? I'm like 5-10! ... Blake: I'm not saying it was okay. I knew it was wrong. But the rightness that I felt, gave me a way of justifying it, of seeing it the way I wanted to so that I could continue. We suspect of course that this is just more self-serving bullshit. But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't be in his situation and actually mean it. To me it still comes down to reciprocity. So, when the table is turned: Carla: You think I don't even know what sexual temptation is? I couldn't understand on your higher plane of sexual aliveness? How many men do you think I've slept with since I've been with you? Blake: None. Carla: More. Blake: One. Carla: More. Blake: Two. I know you are lying... Carla: More Blake: Three. I know what you're doing. You're just.... Carla: More. Blake: Four. Carla: Yeah, four, but maybe it was three because one was Vitorio, and he was a repeat.... On she goes, then: Blake: I don't like this. Carla: Do you still love me? Am I still the one? Blake: I can't even look at you! ... Blake: I just know that you would never do it because if you had you wouldn't be reacting with such anger to what I did if you had been doing it yourself. Because if you have, then you are so much more fucked up than I am! Then Lou: Three girls. Yeah, I did it with three girls. So, Blake "less than 10", Carla 4 and Lou 3. Then the inevitable donnybrook: What is love? He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Gia Carangi was one of the first "famous" people to die from AIDS. She was also thought to be the world's first "super model". But the world of high fashion -- "Fashion is not art. Fashion isn't even culture. Fashion is advertising...and advertising is money" -- is just another "industry". People are used until they can be discarded. But no one forced her to shoot the dope into her veins. No one forced her to contribute mightily to the wreckage that became her life. But I don't pretend to understand the rationalizations of a character in a movie. Even if the character depicts someone who actually existed. GIA Directed by: Michael Cristofe Gia: Look, this was a free trip to New York. If I had known you were looking for Marcia fucking Brady, I woulda stayed home. ... Wilhelmina: You know, dressing like a motorcycle tramp is somewhat interesting for a 17 year-old girl. Talking like one is not. In fact, talking at all is not really required in this profession...or even encouraged. ... Wilhelmina: Just be yourself. Gia: Okay, yeah. What is that? Wilhelmina: Oh, darling, if I could answer that for you or for me, well, life on this planet would be a very different proposition. ... Gia: Go see, go see, go see, go see somebody else. I ain't no good at this. I ain't no good at this at all. But even if you are good at it, what, exactly, are you good at? ... T.J.: Have you ever had sex with a man before? Gia Yeah, once. T.J.: And? Gia: And I could have done that with a German Shepard ... Gia: Are you nervous? T.J.: Yeah. Gia: Am I making you nervous? T.J.: Yeah. Gia: Well, good, that's the idea. ... Gia: You scare the shit out of people so they can't see how scared you are ... Kathleen: Know that old joke, how can you tell when a junkie's lying? Her lips are moving? It's not funny. ... Gia: I have to go...I have to go. Where the fuck does everybody go when they have to go? ... Mike: Every model has a moment....I mean, the ones who make it at all...and whether or not they can parlay that moment into some kind of a career, well, that's the gamble, isn't it? 'Cause the moment is a very short time. It's here and then it's gone, just like most of these girls. They're here and then they're gone. ... Mike: Your look is not spring. Your look is nuclear-fucking-winter Billy: Hi, I'm Billy. You're very pretty. I'll bet you're a model. Gia: Why? Do I look stupid? ... Gia: Where are you going? Linda: You don't have any clothes on. Gia: Don't change the subject. ... Gia: I'd tell them that you don't have to be anybody. Because I'd know that being somebody doesn't make you anybody anyway. ... T.J.: Sex was really easy. There was sex everywhere. It didn't really mean too much. Love, love was the hard thing to find. Even if you were looking for it, which not too many people were. And even if you found it, which not too many people did, even if it was right there in front of you. No; how could you see it with all the sex in the way? ... Girl at Group Therapy: Wait a minute. What am I supposed to feel here? Sorry for you because you're beautiful? Because you made ten thousand a minute doing fuckin' nothing? "Oh it was so hard, so terrible, they treated me so bad." Listen girl, you had a free ride. And you fuckin' blew it. And me? I'm some kid from Ohio, reading fashion magazines, looking at your picture and thinking I'm supposed to look like that. And going fucking crazy because I don't. Because nobody told me it was a lie. Because the magazine doesn't come with a label that says, "Caution: This is a lie. Nobody looks like this." Not even you. ... Nurse: Gia, listen. There's something more serious going on which caused your infection. Something they're calling Acquired lmmune Deficiency Syndrome. Maybe you heard about it? Gia: No. How did I get it? Doctor: Well, we're really just finding things out...and you're the first woman I've known about. Although, intravenous drug users seem oto be in a specially high-risk group. So you probably got it from a contaminated needle. Gia: How do I get rid of it? ... Kathleen: You have to understand. In those days...nobody knew. People were scared. I was scared. She must have been scared too. ... Kathleen: She died around 10 o'clock in the morning. They tried to pick her. They tried to pick her up off the bed, and she...The flesh just fell off her back. It just fell off. ... Gia [from her journal]: Life and death, energy and peace. If I stop today it was still worth it. Even the terrible mistakes that I made and would have unmade if I could. The pains that have burned me and scarred my soul, it was worth it, for having been allowed to walk where I've walked, which was to hell on earth, heaven on earth, back again, into, under, far in between, through it, in it, and above. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film The first thing this film reminds you of is dealing with any automated phone answering system. And also the second and the third thing. This might be called a black comedy if it wasn't so damned cartoonish. Delightfully so, in fact. And who does Harry Tuttle remind you of? Of course: Rupert Pupkin! BRAZIL Directed by Terry Gilliam Sam: I only know you got the wrong man. Jack: Information Transit got the wrong man. I got the right man. The wrong one was delivered to me as the right man, I accepted him on good faith as the right man. ... T.V. Interviewer: How do you account for the fact that the bombing campaign has been going on for thirteen years? Mr. Helpmann: Beginners' luck. ... Arresting Officer: This is your receipt for your husband...and this is my receipt for your receipt ... Jack: [about his wife's cosmetic surgery] Remember how they used to stick out? Sam: Oh, um yes. I always used to wonder if they were real. Alison: My ears? ... Kurtzmann: [on Buttle] You see? The population census has got him down as "dormanted." Uh, the Central Collective Storehouse computer has got him down as "deleted." Sam: Hang on. [goes to a computer terminal] Kurtzmann: Information Retrieval has got him down as "inoperative." And there's another one - security has got him down as "excised." Administration has got him down as "completed." Sam: He's dead. ... Harry: Listen, this old system of yours could be on fire and I couldn't even turn on the kitchen tap without filling out a 27b/6... ... Mrs. Terrain: Really, Sam when are you going to do something about these terrorists? Sam: What? Now? It's my lunch hour. Besides, it's not my department. ... Jill: Doesn't it bother you the sort of things you do at Information Retrieval? Sam: What? I suppose you'd rather have the terrorists. Jill: How many "terrorists" have you met, Sam, actual terrorists? Sam: Actual terrorists? Well, it's...it's only my first day. ... Sam: I assure you, Mrs. Buttle, the Ministry is very scrupulous about following up and eradicating any error. If you have any complaints which you'd like to make, I'd be more than happy to send you the appropriate forms. ... Sign outside a mall at Christmas time: CONSUMERS FOR CHRIST ... Santa Claus: What would you like for Christmas? Little girl on his lap: My own credit card. ... Sam: You don't exist anymore. I've killed you. Jill Layton is dead. Jill: Care a little necrophilia? ... Tuttle: You okay? Sam: Tuttle! Tuttle: Call me Harry. ... Helpmann: He got away from us, Jack. Jack: I'm afraid you're right, Mr. Helpmann. He's gone. Sorry, no happy ending this time. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film There's the way we want the world to be and there's the way the world actually is. Success or failure in this world [the world as it is] revolves around 1] your capacity to understand that gap in any particular context and 2] your capacity to open and close it at will. In a word: power. The rest is the politics that revolves around it. The things you will do when you are able to convince yourself you really don't have any other choice. But then others will still judge you as though you did. And [of course] as though there really is only one right choice. Most folks in the "civilized" world think that's just the way the world works "down there". Or "over there". And since this is a liberal narrative the "system" is "exposed" in the end when the "good guys" do the "right things". And they are the good guys doing the right things. But it's not really the right system that is being exposed. TRAFFIC Directed by Steven Soderbergh Francisco: [about how he is going to assassinate Eduardo Ruiz] I want to use a bomb. Helena: Are you kidding? Can't you just shoot him or something? Francisco: I don't really like guns. You shoot someone in the head three times and some pinche doctor will keep them alive. ... Ruiz: This is coercion. Gordon: Coercion. That's a pretty big word for a fisherman. Castro: Big-ass word. Ruiz: Oh, yeah? I know another big word: immunity. ... Ruiz: We hire drivers with nothing to lose and throw a lot of product at the problem. Some gets stopped. Enough gets through. It's not difficult. Look, boys, this has worked for years. It's gonna continue to work for years. NAFTA m akes things even more difficult for you because the borders are disappearing. Do you realize in the next year or two Mexican trucking companies are gonna be able to go from the States to Mexico and back again with the same freedom as U.P.S., D.H.L., FedEx? It's gonna be a fucking free-for-all...You guys remind me of Japanese soldiers on deserted islands who still think world war two is still going on. Let me be the first to tell you that your government surrendered this war a long fucking time ago. ... Tourist Woman: Don't you wanna know what kind of car it is? Tourist Man: Yeah, it's a brown Ford Explorer... Tourist Woman: - Look, it was right here, it's been stolen, I wanna file a report. Sanchez: A report, will not help you find your car. Rodriguez: Eh; the police won't find your car. Tourist Woman: You ARE the police! Rodriguez: [he writes down a number and hands it to her] You gonna call this man and he'll find your car for you. Tourist Man: I don't...I don't get it. Tourist Woman: How is this guy gonna know who has our car? Rodriguez: ...the police will tell him. ... Sanchez: So, the Scorpion and Salazar are working together, and they're making a move on Juan Obregón? Do you know how much he would pay for information like that? A lot! Rodriguez: Take off your sunglasses. Sanchez: What? Rodriguez: I said, take off your sunglasses. Sanchez: Why? Rodriguez: I'm not kidding, Manolito. Take off your sunglasses. [Manolo removes his sunglasses] Rodriguez: We will keep our mouths shut! ... Rodriguez: It's all about the money. ... Seth: Now you see? Caroline: Let's do some more. ... General Landry: You know, when they forced Khruschev out, he sat down and wrote two letters to his successor. He said - "When you get yourself into a situation you can't get out of, open the first letter, and you'll be safe. When you get yourself into another situation you can't get out of, open the second letter". Well, soon enough, this guy found himself into a tight place, so he opened the first letter. Which said - "Blame everything on me". So he blames the old man, it worked like a charm. He got himself into a second situation he couldn't get out of, he opened the second letter. It said - "Sit down, and write two letters". ... Wakefield: I can't believe you brought my daughter to this place. Seth: Woah. Why don't you just back the fuck up, man. "To this place"? What is that shit? Ok, right now, all over this great nation of ours, 'hundred thousand white people from the suburbs are cruisin' around downtown asking every black person they see "You got any drugs? You know where I can score some drugs?" Think about the effect that that has on the psyche of a black person, on their possibilities. I... God I guarantee you bring a hundred thousand black people into your neighborhood, into fuckin' Indian Hills, and they're asking every white person they see "You got any drugs? You know where I can score some drugs?", within a day everyone would be selling. Your friends. Their kids. Here's why: it's an unbeatable market force man. It's a three-hundred percent markup value. You can go out on the street and make five-hundred dollars in two hours, come back and do whatever you want to do with the rest of your day and, I'm sorry, you're telling me that... you're telling me that white people would still be going to law school? ... Wakefield: On another note, General, we were talking about supply. What about demand? What are your policies toward treatment of addiction? Salazar: "Treatment of addiction"? Addicts treat themselves. They overdose, and there's one less to worry about. ... Helena Ayala: My husband was working on something he called "the project for the children". Were you aware of this? Juan Obregón: I don't know. Perhaps I remember something... [Helena reveals a Spastic Jack doll] Juan Obregón: If you want to smuggle narcotics in Senore Espastico Jacobo, that is nothing new, Senora. Helena Ayala: No, not in. The doll is cocaine. High-impact, pressure-molded cocaine. It's oderless. Undetectable by the dogs. Undetectable by anyone... ... [Robert Wakefield has offered the drug dealer a bribe for information about his missing daughter] Drug Dealer: Who in the FUCK do you think you are? Where the fuck do you think you are, and why the fuck don't I just put your ass in a dumpster? Wakefield [Shaking, scared]: I... I got money... Drug Dealer: [Infuriated] I got money! Wakefield: I've got a thousand dollars in my pocket; it's for you. Drug Dealer: If I want your money man, I will TAKE your money! ... Ruiz: The worst part about you, Monty, is you realize the futility of what you're doing, and you do it anyway. Wish you could see how transparent you are....Let me tell you something. You only got to me because you were tipped off by the Juarez cartel who's trying to break into Tijuana. You are helping them. So remember...you work for a drug dealer too, Monty. ... [Carlos has just had Arnie killed] Helena Ayala: Who was on the phone? Carlos Ayala: Oh that was Arnie. He can't make it to the barbeque He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film It might be interesting to interview Charlie Kaufman on the meaning of identity. As it relates to the meaning of irony, for example. Or dasein? BEING JOHN MALKOVICH Directed by Spike Jonze Written by Charlie Kaufman Craig: You don't know how lucky you are being a monkey. Because consciousness is a terrible curse. I think. I feel. I suffer. And all I ask in return is the opportunity to do my work. And they won't allow it because...I raise issues. ... Craig: I was thinking about what you were saying the other day, about the orientation film being bullshit. Maxine: Yes? Craig: I think maybe you're on to something. Maxine: That and fifty other lines to get into a girl's pants. ... Craig: Can I buy you a drink, Maxine? Maxine: Are you married? Craig: Yes, but enough about me. ... Maxine: Tell me a little about yourself. Craig: Well, I'm a puppeteer... Maxine: [turns to bartender] Check! ... Craig: [as Maxine Puppet] Tell me, Craig, why do you like puppetering? Craig: [as Craig Puppet] Well Maxine, I'm not sure exactly. Perhaps the idea of becoming someone else for a little while. Being inside another skin - thinking differently, moving differently, feeling differently. Craig: [as Maxine Puppet] Interesting, Craig... ... Craig: There's a tiny door in my office, Maxine. It's a portal and it takes you inside John Malkovich. You see the world through John Malkovich's eyes and then after about 15 minutes, you're spit out into a ditch on the side of the New Jersey Turnpike. Maxine: Sounds great! Who the fuck is John Malkovich? ... Craig: The point is that this is a very odd thing, supernatural, for lack of a better word. It raises all sorts of philosophical questions about the nature of self, about the existence of the soul. Am I me? Is Malkovich Malkovich? Was the Buddha right, is duality an illusion? Do you know what a metaphysical can of worms this portal is? ... Lotte: Don't stand in the way of my actualization as a man! ... Charlie Sheen: Truth is for suckers, Johnny Boy. ... Maxine: Meet you in Malkovich in one hour. ... Malkovich: I have seen a world that NO man should see! Craig: Really? Because for most people it's a rather enjoyable experience. ... Malkovich: This portal is mine and must be sealed up forever. For the love of God. Schwartz: With all respect, sir, I discovered that portal. It's my livelihood. Malkovich: It's my head, Schwartz, and I'll see you in court! ... Maxine (to no one in particular): The way I see it, the world is divide into those go after what they want and those who don't. The passionate ones, the ones who go after what they want, may not get what they want, but they remain vital, in touch with themselves, and when they lie on their deathbeds, they have few regrets. The ones who don't go after what they want, well, who gives a shit about them anyway? ... Craig [in agony]: No, I've fallen in love, and this is what people who've fallen in love look like!! ... Craig: It's just a matter of time before Malkovich is nothing more than another puppet hanging next to my work table. ... Charlie Sheen: You're nuts to let a girl go that calls you Lotte. I tell you that as a friend. ... Craig: What happens when a man goes through his own portal? ... Craig (in Malkovich): There is truth, and there are lies, and art always tells the truth. Even when it's lying ... Bing: Malkovich, the puppeteer, shows us a reflection of ourselves, our frailties and our, you know, desparate humanity. That's what makes him one of the most relevant artists of our time. ... Craig [in Malkovich]: As the poet said, "The puppeteer's voice need not merely be the record of man. It can be one of the pillars, the props to help him endure and prevail," and I believe that. ... Maxine: Where the fuck am I? Lotte: We're in Malkovich's subconscious. Then there is this: Malkovich: Ma-Sheen! Charlie Sheen: Malcatraz! A little help please. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film Fortunately, I'm not qualified to pass judgment on those who deem themselves qualified to pass judgment on everyone else. Pop art and politics? Does the word bullshit ring a bell? Nothing can't be co-opted once it gets entangled in consumption. And Valerie Solanas wasn't the first "serious artist" to get fucked over trying to sneak in the back door. And it didn't help that she may well have been a lunatic. I SHOT ANDY WARHOL Directed by Mary Harron Valerie: Give me fifteen cents, and I'll give you a dirty word. Maurice Girodias: What's the word? Valerie: Men. ... Edie Sedgwick: What's it about? Valerie: It's about how sleazy and disgusting men are. In the end the mother kills her son. It's a comedy. ... TV Reporter: Why do you spend so much of your time making underground films? Warhol: They're easier to make than paintings TV Reporter: Do you think painting is dead? Warhol: Uh, no. TV Reporter: Well, do you think the theatre has more relevance? Warhol. No. TV Reporter: Do you think that pop art has become repetitive? Warhol: Uh, yes. TV Reporter: Which of the modern painters do you find most significant? Warhol: Oh, I like all of them. ... Paul Morrisey: The Factory is a lot like the old MGM star system. T.V. Reporter: You serious? Paul Morrisey: Oh, yes. We believe in stars. Actually, they're very similar to the Walt Disney kids. Except, of course, that they're modern chidren, so they take drugs and have sex. ... Candy Darling: I want to find the ad for Valerie's play. I'm playing the ingenue. Oh, here it is. "SCUM, Society For Cutting Up Men is looking for garbage mouth dykes, butch or fem, with some acting ability. Experience not necessary. To appear in garbage mouth dykey anti-male play. A comedy called Up Your Ass." ... Valerie: You got to go through a lot of sex to be ready for anti-sex. ... Candy Darling: I'm called Candy Warhol now. Cashing in. Warhol: Why not... ... Warhol: Candy, we were wondering, how often do you get your period? Candy Darling: Everyday, Andy. I'm such a woman. ... Paul Morrisey: You call this a groovy light show. I'd rather sit and watch the clothes dryer at the Laundromat. Oh, look. It changed color. Where's a love child? They'll get a kick outta this. Only a hippie would find this even remotely interesting, but I'll tell ya. You spend one day with the hippies, and you realize how truly refreshing and unpretentious, hard core, New York degenerates are. ... Valerie: You're a guy? My god, I thought you were a lesbian. Candy Darling: Thanks, a lot of people say that. ... Maurice Girodias: I'm interested in you. After all, I specialize in the subversive. ... Bridgid [after the gang at the Factory has read Valerie's play Up Your Ass]: It's too digusting. Even for us. ... Ondine: What the fuck is a gay bar? Can you tell me? What is that? As a homosexual, I will not go! I will not go to one! Why should I be segregated? Fred Hughes: You're right, you should be isolated. ... Paul Morrisey: Valerie, why don't you just have yourself committed to an insane asylum just to spite them. I'm sure they would never think to look for you there. ... Epilogue Valerie Solanas was sentenced to three years in Matteawan State Hospital for the Ciminally Insane. After her release she was often homeless. She died of pneumonia in a wlefare hotel in San Francisco in 1989. The SCUM Manifesto has been published many times all over the world. It is now a feminist classic. He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39804 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: philosophy in film If you do not find these characters creeps does that make you one yourself? Or are you just intent on getting away with the same things? A con within a con within a con. This is a fascinating film of deception. And not just because it cost$6,000 to make, opened in one theatre and grossed only $43,000. This was Nolan's first feature. His next? Memento. It grossed$25,000,000. A few years later a film he directed grosssed over
\$1,000,000,000. That's one billion. Though [in my opinion] no where near as absorbing.

Cobb is what some would call, "fiendishly clever". Meaning they want to be just like him.

FOLLOWING
Written and directed by Christopher Nolan

The Young Man: The following is my explanation--well, more of an account of what happened. I'd been on my own for a while and getting kind of lonely and bored. And that's when I started shadowing.
The Policeman: Who?
The Young Man: Anyone at first. I mean, that was the whole point...somebody at random, somebody who didn't know who I was. I'd just see where they went, what they did and go home afterwards.
The Policeman: Why'd you do it?
The Young Man: Um, to see where they went. Anyone...I mean...How can I explain? You ever, um, been to a football match just to let your eyes rise and go over...drift across a crowd of people...and then slowly start to fix on one person? And all of a sudden that person isn't part of the crowd anymore. They've become an individual, just like that. This became irresistible.
The Policeman: So you followed women?
The Youngman: No, I didn't follow women. It wasn't a sex thing. I followed anybody. I just wanted to see where they went, what they did.
The Policeman: You were playing secret agent?
The Young Man: No, I'm a writer. Well, I want to be a writer anyway. I was, um, gathering material for my characters. Well, to begin with. After a while l, um, spotted the dangers. I'd become hooked.

...

The Young Man: It was supposed to just be completely random. And when it stopped being random, that's when it started to go wrong. When I started to follow people --specific people -- that's when the trouble started.

...

The Young Man: Other people are interesting to me. Have you never listened to other people's conversations on the bus or on the tube? Seen somebody on the street that looks interesting or is behaving slightly oddly or something like that? Wondered what their lives involved, what they do, where they come from, where they go to?

...

The Yound Man: You watch somebody's behavior, and it raises a hundred thousand questions, and I wanted to ask those questions, and I wanted to know what the answers were, and so I'd follow people to try and find out.

...

The Young Man: Most important rule was that even if I found out where somebody worked or where they lived, then you'd never follow the same person twice. That was the most important rule. That was the one that I broke first.

...

Cobb: You take it away to show them what they had.

...

Cobb [holding up a pair of lacy black panties] Saucy, eh? Found these in the last flat.
[he puts them in the pockets of a pair of trousers]
I think I'll just give them something to, uh, chat about.
The Young Man: Why would you want to do that?
Cobb: She'll find them in his trousers and ask him what he's been doing.
The Young Man: Yeah, but why would you want to fuck up their relationship?
Cobb: Don't you listen? You take it away...and show them what they had.

...

Cobb: [finding a house key under the doormat] Bing-fucking-go.

...

The Young Man [panicky]: She got a second look at me! She recognized me! That sort of thing makes me nervous.
Cobb: If you're so worried about your appearance, change it. A new haircut, set of clothes, your mother won't even recognize you. Just because you break into people's homes doesn't mean you need to look like a burglar.

...

Cobb: You're developing a taste for it...the violating, the voyeurism...it's definitely you.

...

Cobb: Everyone has a box.

...

The Blonde: What was all that about?
Cobb: You. Your stuff, anyway. He's gonna deal with it himself.
The Blonde: Meaning?
Cobb: Meaning he took the bait and he's hooked.

...

The Blonde: Cobb noticed you following him days before he actually approached you. Initially, he thought you were police. And then he followed you.
The Young Man: He followed me?
The Blonde: He followed you and realized you were just this sad, little fucker waiting to be used.

And so [it turns out] was she.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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