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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Venture » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:23 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Nietzsche is like the band "phish". He's not bad really, and he's got some talent. But his fans are unbearable.


This is one of my favorite analogies of Nietzsche so far! :lol:
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And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:20 pm

HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.



K: I've read Kant, Hegel, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Plato, Aristotle,
Seneca, Aquinas and Augustine for starters, does that qualify?


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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Arminius » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:32 pm

HaHaHa wrote:Science is another substitute "Godhead" where instead it seeks to elevate humanity to being a god like master of the universe. The few at the top of humanity that controls everybody else at the very least anyways.

Believing in science and its "gods" or believing in philosophy and its "gods" is very similar to believing in religion and its "gods" and believing in theology and its "gods". The gods do not disappear - because humans want to be gods. (Note: These last two sentences are not referring to the question whether gods exist or not, because there is no answer in the sense of knowing it, there is only an answer in the sense of believing it.)
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Sauwelios » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:47 pm

HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.


You first! (Well, after pseudo-Kropotkin, I suppose.) Have you read anything, including Nietzsche?
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:00 am

There are three hidden assumptions in that question.

1. what you discuss is no more than what you read
2. there are philosophers other than Nietzsche who are worth reading
3. we are discussing philosophers, not reality

Joker is an attention whore who will use any means whatsoever to draw attention towards himself.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:06 am

Venture wrote:This 'debate', if you could call it that, is incredibly disgusting. You are both acting like aggressive children with a demented interpretation of each other; with intolerable subtleties of profanity and polemic arrogance, achieving nothing.

I never intended this thread to be argumentative. The contributions from jerkey, Arminius and Turd are perfect exemplifications of what I originally sought after.

Let's retain ourselves in a civil manner, please, for the better of us all.


You are the one who is arrogant here.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:18 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:Magnus, you're losing the debate with Gib. Just throwing that out there. You can't just call him a fag and say he has no discipline and then tell him he's wrong for reading what you wrote and thinking that's what you meant to say. You're just losing the debate man. It's pretty bad.


There is no such a thing as debate between me and Gib. Debates apply only to people who are trying to convince their audience they are right. This is not what I am doing. What I am doing here is I am correcting Gib. There is neither competition nor equality between the two of us. There is me who is right and there is Gib who is wrong. Nothing that I can possibly lose.

You need to do what you normally, but not fully, do, and that is to stay away from philosophy. Go back to your non-philosophical chat where you talk about your insignificant everyday life events. This is the only thing you can do well.

My problem with Gib, which is not merely a personal problem as Gib likes to think, is that he is evasive.

You don't see this because you are no better than him.

Countless posts have been written about what an utter retard you are. Don't force me to repeat them.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:23 am

gib wrote:I can very easily carry on a civilized discussion.


You cannot carry on a civilized discussion. You already demonstrated your incapacity to do so. What you can do is be meek and timid. You can be an egalitarian, a relativist, who respects other people's right to be evasive. And this is what you normally are, until someone comes along and puts you in your place, and your defensive mechanism that you call "trolling" is triggered.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:09 am

Sauwelios wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.


You first! (Well, after pseudo-Kropotkin, I suppose.) Have you read anything, including Nietzsche?


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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:15 am

gib wrote:Hey, I have an idea! Why don't we actually get back to the topic! Then maybe we wouldn't have to talk about me or you, and I can actually have an opportunity to pay attention.


You already have an opportunity to do so, you imbecile. By admitting that what you did was wrong we can return to the topic.

But you don't want to do this. Instead, you want me to forget about it, nay, you want to convince me that you did nothing wrong.

You cannot talk to someone unless you know that someone is responsible. You proved to be irresponsible, therefore, if you want this discussion to move forward, you need to become responsible.

But that's not what you're doing. Instead, what you are doing is trying to make me irresponsible myself.

You do not want me to think, to process all of my knowledge and experience, in order to predict whether talking to you is worth my time. No, you want me forget everything I know, and simply hope that you are worth my time.

This is what you are doing in the above quote.

You are telling me that I should think that you will be paying attention merely because you say you will be paying attention.

You think that if you have a serious intent to pay attention from now on that I should forget everything you did in the past and simply lay hope in you.

I believe this gives you some sense of superiority, though false of course, because you do not really understand how thinking works.

Intellectually speaking, you are a woman.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Venture » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:29 am

Is there any way I can renew topical discussion of Nietzsche's significance?

Anderson, don't be such a butt hurt baby towards everyone who doesn't agree with or understand you.
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:39 am

Anderson wrote:You thereby turn yourself into the subject of the topic.


gib wrote:No, that would be you turning me into the subject of the topic.


If I want to drive my car around the town, but the car is making strange sounds, is it me turning the car into the subject or is it my car turning themselves into the subject?

What do you think?

Do I want to open my car and fix them just for fun or do I want to do so in order to drive them around the town?

In a sense, I am the one turning them into the subject. Without my decision to turn them into the subject they can never become the subject. Indeed, there is nothing stopping me from driving them around the town except for my concerns.

But does that mean I am the one turning them into the subject?

I certainly never wanted them to be broken.

The point is that I am turning them into the subject not because I want them to be the subject but because it is necessary to do so if I want to make sure I can drive them safely.

My main goal is to drive the car, not to examine them in order to fix them.

Do you understand this, imbecile?

Is this enough for you?
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:41 am

Venture wrote:Is there any way I can renew topical discussion of Nietzsche's significance?

Anderson, don't be such a butt hurt baby towards everyone who doesn't agree with or understand you.


That's not being butt hurt, that's being disciplined.

You are a retard.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:31 am

gib wrote:Because it was relevant.


The definition of the word elite was irrelevant. What was relevant is what I meant. And what I meant by the word elite is "the ruling ones" or "the ones considered to be the best". I meant nothing other than what is normally meant. Hardly obscure.

My point was that modern elites (= the ruling ones, or the ones considered to be the best) are not powerful.

You never really understood what I meant when I said that, but you nonethless proceeded to conclude not only that you know what I mean but also that I am wrong.

Thus betraying your very low level of standard of communication.

Your argument was that elites are by definition powerful.

My argument was that modern social groups that are identified by the word elite are not powerful.

Noone ever spoke of definitions. Except for you, because you are a retard with an extremely short attention span.

Your obsession with definitions is a mere distraction from the topic.
"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:46 am

Venture wrote:Is there any way I can renew topical discussion of Nietzsche's significance?

Anderson, don't be such a butt hurt baby towards everyone who doesn't agree with or understand you.



Don't mind Mr. Anderson, he's our resident challenged Romanian gypsy that lives in his mother's basement.

He does a lot of this in his spare time......

What's Romanian for, "Can you spare some change?"

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:51 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:Nietzsche is like the band "phish". He's not bad really, and he's got some talent. But his fans are unbearable.


Sure, I can go along with that.
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:54 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.



K: I've read Kant, Hegel, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Plato, Aristotle,
Seneca, Aquinas and Augustine for starters, does that qualify?


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What is it with a majority of people on this forum?

Do you read any post- modern philosophers at all? The classics are great and all but there is a lot of post -modern philosophers of the nineteenth or current century as well.
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:58 am

Sauwelios wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.


You first! (Well, after pseudo-Kropotkin, I suppose.) Have you read anything, including Nietzsche?


This coming from the biggest Nietzschephile on the internet with a smoothe love affair. If Nietzsche was still alive I can imagine you groping on him in a dark alley holding a copy of one of his books. *Shutters the thought*
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:01 am

Arminius wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:Science is another substitute "Godhead" where instead it seeks to elevate humanity to being a god like master of the universe. The few at the top of humanity that controls everybody else at the very least anyways.

Believing in science and its "gods" or believing in philosophy and its "gods" is very similar to believing in religion and its "gods" and believing in theology and its "gods". The gods do not disappear - because humans want to be gods. (Note: These last two sentences are not referring to the question whether gods exist or not, because there is no answer in the sense of knowing it, there is only an answer in the sense of believing it.)



Yes, civilization seems to be full of imaginary idols and society has become one giant theater of vigorous ritual.

In the absence of idols materializing as you say people are content with idolizing"humanity" itself through science.
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:35 am

HaHaHa wrote:Don't mind Mr. Anderson, he's our resident challenged Romanian gypsy that lives in his mother's basement.

He does a lot of this in his spare time......

What's Romanian for, "Can you spare some change?"


Romanians are Vlachs, you moron, not Romanies. The words are similar, but the ethnicities are entirely different.

And I am neither a Vlach nor a Romanian resident. You need to get your facts straight.

I am a Celt.

"Let's keep the debate about poor people in the US specifically. It's the land of opportunity. So everyone has an opportunity. That means everyone can get money. So some people who don't have it just aren't using thier opportunities, and then out of those who are using them, then most squander what they gain through poor choices, which keeps them poor. It's no one else's fault. The end."

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:43 pm

Venture wrote:Is there any way I can renew topical discussion of Nietzsche's significance?

Anderson, don't be such a butt hurt baby towards everyone who doesn't agree with or understand you.


N proposed a new style of epistemology. Its pre-conscious valuing- rather than universal-truth-oriented. There is his future, the 2000 years required to explicate him to the full merit of his deeply human work.

He may have been more deeply human than anyone alive now. Bravest heart to have ever graced industrial Europe. That is how he killed that god, sheer absence of cowardice.

Truthfulness was born there, but its still in its infancy.

Look up value-philosophy, value ontology, tectonics, daemonism, self-valuing logic.
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:50 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.



K: I've read Kant, Hegel, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Plato, Aristotle,
Seneca, Aquinas and Augustine for starters, does that qualify?


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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:56 pm

Magnus, you are more sensitive than an overweight teenage girl.

Also, you're still totally losing the debate, and you look like a crybaby now because of your last string of responses.
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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:16 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:A more interesting question for this forum, has anybody read anything beyond Nietzsche?


A show of hands please.



K: I've read Kant, Hegel, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Plato, Aristotle,
Seneca, Aquinas and Augustine for starters, does that qualify?


Kropotkin



Ive read a lot of comics. A Belgian one called Lucky Luke used to be my favorite.


K: ummm, I've read philosophy books and you read Comics books.......
I think I see the difference between us......

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Re: Why is Nietzsche significant for you?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:13 pm

Krop.... I am always fearful there are people who absolutely dont stop to think.

Light reading this morning

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