gib wrote:The stupidity I agree with. I don't think anybody's being lied to though. I think those who allegedly "lie" are just as fooled by the myth that money motivates as those who are "lied" to. IOW, everybody's stupid.
Duality wrote:if it's wrong, it's still a lie.
Duality wrote:Plus, it's not like they are completely unaware of what they are doing. One of the tactics is to divide and conquer. You dont want to end up like these poor losers, so you have to beat them out and hoard a large amount wealth. Anything to make people feel disconnected and inferior/superior to one another is used as propaganda. Race, age, ethnicity, religion, social class, income, neighborhood, etc.
gib wrote:Duality wrote:if it's wrong, it's still a lie.
If it's wrong, it's a mistake. A lie implies knowing that one is deceiving.
Duality wrote:No it doesnt. If it's not true, it's still a lie.
Duality wrote:you miss the point on the rest of it also. Hoarding wealth requires jipping other members of the human race out of what they rightly deserve. The fruits of their labor. In order to do this, you have to divide and conquer and create an atmosphere of fear so that the collective entity is no longer a threat to you.
Duality wrote:What I am saying is that there is no chance in hell that they are fully ignorant of what they are doing. They might be partially ignorant, but that's as far as it goes.
Khrone wrote:I don't necessarily agree. We do what we do because we want things (food, home, car, playthings etc.).
So if the motivation is to get things we don't have and the only way to get those things is by purchasing or stealing,
and money is the most common way to purchase things; money is kinda the motivation by association.
In my opinion at least.
Smears wrote:1)money
2)hos
3)clothes
Smears wrote:I didn't read the part about how it's a justification, cause that just seems like bad English to say.
gib wrote:Duality wrote:you miss the point on the rest of it also. Hoarding wealth requires jipping other members of the human race out of what they rightly deserve. The fruits of their labor. In order to do this, you have to divide and conquer and create an atmosphere of fear so that the collective entity is no longer a threat to you.
But most animals don't "deceive" - deception implies thought, understanding, interpretation - something only humans possess (and if a small handful of other animals also possess it, it wouldn't be nearly to the same extent). So no, deception is not necessary for some to strip wealth and property from other. This tendency for forced inequality is so entrenched in our species that most of the time it goes on unconsciously. Thought typically comes into play, not to make us aware of this tendency, but to help us deny it, to help us make up excuses and justifications for it, the aim of which is to make us feel OK with doing it. Typcially, it is both the oppressor and the oppressed who buy into it.
Duality wrote:You are the one attributing arbitrary definitions to words, not me son.
Lol, what the fuck is a potato?gib wrote:Duality wrote:you miss the point on the rest of it also. Hoarding wealth requires jipping other members of the human race out of what they rightly deserve. The fruits of their labor. In order to do this, you have to divide and conquer and create an atmosphere of fear so that the collective entity is no longer a threat to you.
But most animals don't "deceive" - deception implies thought, understanding, interpretation - something only humans possess (and if a small handful of other animals also possess it, it wouldn't be nearly to the same extent). So no, deception is not necessary for some to strip wealth and property from other. This tendency for forced inequality is so entrenched in our species that most of the time it goes on unconsciously. Thought typically comes into play, not to make us aware of this tendency, but to help us deny it, to help us make up excuses and justifications for it, the aim of which is to make us feel OK with doing it. Typcially, it is both the oppressor and the oppressed who buy into it.
hence my first post. The tendency to accept your own oppression indicates you're a fucking moron.
Thanks for clearing that up. Originally I was beginning to believe it was the new colloquialism for saying something thats not true when you didnt know it was a lieJames L Walker wrote:A potato is something you put chili, cheese, chives, butter, and sour cream on followed by digestion.![]()
Duality wrote:Thanks for clearing that up. Originally I was beginning to believe it was the new colloquialism for saying something thats not true when you didnt know it was a lieJames L Walker wrote:A potato is something you put chili, cheese, chives, butter, and sour cream on followed by digestion.![]()
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Duality wrote:hence my first post. The tendency to accept your own oppression indicates you're a fucking moron.
James L Walker wrote:Money is simply about enslaving other people. You people here are making the issue harder than it needs to be.
The motivation about money is quite simple. I don't understand why people here don't want to address the real issues.
gib wrote:I think we mean 'motivation' in different ways. I'm thinking chiefly about the immediate impulse or emotional drive that pushes us to do what we do. When I drag my ass out of bed in the morning to go to work, money never enters my mind for a second; rather, thoughts about what I 'ought' to do, or fear of being reprimanded for coming in late, come to mind. And when I'm at my job, working diligently on a project, trying to meet deadlines and solve problems, money is again the last thing on my mind; rather, I'm motivated by the desire to accomplish something, to please my bosses, to create.
When I say that money is the justification for what I do, I mean it is the element in the arrangement between my boss and I that makes it fair, makes it OK, that I should do work for him. It's the green light to go ahead and do such work.
Duality wrote:James L Walker wrote:Money is simply about enslaving other people. You people here are making the issue harder than it needs to be.
The motivation about money is quite simple. I don't understand why people here don't want to address the real issues.
'cause it's fun to blame everybody else, but when it comes time to fix up your own shit, thats when everybody bails like the building is on fire.
Duality, is there no difference between a mistake and a lie? I tend to agree with Gib that a lie requires the intention to mislead, so that one who is themselves misled and perpetuates their mistake is simply mistaken, they are not lying. But I can imagine a use of the word lie somewhere in between; we might say that "society lies to us," when the abstract society is the one misleading us and the information is in the whole, but no part of society (i.e. individual) is aware that they are perpetuating a falsity.Carleas:
Duality wrote:'cause it's fun to blame everybody else, but when it comes time to fix up your own shit, thats when everybody bails like the building is on fire.
Carleas wrote:Is it at all in question that in some circumstances money is clearly a motivator? If I offer you a dollar to touch your nose, it's clearly not like you've just been waiting for an excuse to touch your nose.
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