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Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon May 05, 2014 12:18 am

The post immediately following is one massive quote from what may be the most pointless and consistently lost philosophy group ON THE PLANET.

They recycle alot of slogans from alot of news sources, and selected a medieval Kashmiri Saint for their group that has. NOTHING to do with their group..... absolutely nothing.

They fluctuate between international marxism.... which died out internationally, radical islam and hindu nationalism in a absurd, incompatible mixture..... but it makes sense to them.

Only unifying trends between contributors.... anti-americanism.... because you know, America is the one country that screwed over the utopia of Kashmir, nobody else, and a joke of professors giving expert commentary on international affairs.

So..... why do they hate Jews? Have any of them ever even seen a Jew before? Unlikely. But just read and laugh..... it is like a whole forum populated by Cezars. I got this from my email....
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon May 05, 2014 12:18 am

Russians populate their own vast universe embracing many ethnic units of various background, from Mongols and Karels to Jews and Tatars. Until 1991, they populated an even greater land mass (called the Soviet Union, and before that, the Russian Empire) where Russian was the lingua franca and the language of daily usage for majority of citizens. Russians could amass this huge empire because they did not discriminate and did not hog the blanket. Russians are amazingly non-tribal, to an extent unknown in smaller East European countries, but similar to other great Eastern Imperial nations, the Han Chinese and the Turks before the advent of Young Turks and Ataturk. The Russians did not assimilate but partly acculturated their neighbours for whom Russian language and culture became the gateway to the world. The Russians protected and supported local cultures, as well, at their expense, for they enjoy this diversity.
Before 1991, the Russians promoted a universalist humanist world-view; nationalism was practically banned, and first of all, Russian nationalism. No one was persecuted or discriminated because of his ethnic origin (yes, Jews complained, but they always complain). There was some positive discrimination in the Soviet republics, for instance a Tajik would have priority to study medicine in the Tajik republic, before a Russian or a Jew; and he would be able to move faster up the ladder in the Party and politics. Still the gap was small.
After 1991, this universalist world-view was challenged by a parochial and ethno-nationalist one in all ex-Soviet republics save Russia and Belarus. Though Russia ceased to be Soviet, it retained its universalism. In the republics, people of Russian culture were severely discriminated against, often fired from their working places, in worst cases they were expelled or killed. Millions of Russians, natives of the republics, became refugees; together with them, millions of non-Russians who preferred Russian universalist culture to “their own” nationalist and parochial one fled to Russia. That is why modern Russia has millions of Azeris, Armenians, Georgians, Tajiks, Latvians and of smaller ethnic groups from the republics. Still, despite discrimination, millions of Russians and people of Russian culture remained in the republics, where their ancestors lived for generations, and the Russian language became a common ground for all non-nationalist forces.

Israel Shamir, “Crimea: Putin’s Triumph. Now the Confrontation Moves East to ‘New Russia’” (Russian World), Global Research, 21 March 2014

[…] But the advaita [Swami Vivekananda] preached in return for their childlike inquisitiveness and unstinting generosity was not so much a spiritual surplus but the missing foundation. For what America has perhaps inexorably descended into today is the ‘freedom’ of the predator that was already inscribed in its formative genocide of the native populations and enslavement of lesser humans by (earlier white) immigrants that is now being extended to ‘others’ through diabolically more sophisticated, rationalized, and self-deceptive forms across the globe. After Christianity had, in principle, abrogated the divine Law to be supplanted with ethical reciprocity and universal love, the ‘secular’ European Enlightenment could experiment with new civic arrangements that presupposed an ubiquitous modicum of that independence, liberty, and creativity that had earlier been the preserve of the sages. Western ‘humanism’ now serves to justify ‘humanitarian’ wars to redeem (implicitly) subhuman others recalcitrant to a ‘civilizing’ mission that ironically prolongs, even amplifies, the earlier waves of worldwide ‘Christian’ proselytism intent on burning bodies to save the trapped souls and be amply rewarded with God-given (neo-) colonial booty for all the good work.

Sunthar V., “Pax Americana and War by Terror: Suicide of Western Humanism?” Perspectives on Violence and Othering in India (2014)

Friends,

When Meera Chakravorty objected that for the Russian Eurasianists to criticize Western imperialism was “like the pot calling the kettle black,” I felt compelled to intervene at some length to point out that there was indeed a “world” of difference. The mostly peaceful expansion of Russian settlement eastwards across the steppes and other areas populated by nomadic tribes put an end, once and for all, to the demographic cycle of brutal invasions that had regularly devastated the sedentary urban civilizations, to the south, of China, India, Iran, Middle East, and even Europe by Mongol, Tartar , and other barbarian hordes. Moreover, there was no genocide of the “Other” practicing shamanism and other religions. Sergey Shoygu, Russia’s new Defense Minister (who is absolutely loyal to Putin…), is the Buddhist son of a Tuvan mother:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Shoygu

I contrasted this with what had happened to the natives in practically all the lands populated by Anglo-Saxons emigrants. I might add now that the most discriminatory and genocidal elements among the white settlers were also the most “freedom-loving” as exemplified by the Virginia of Thomas Jefferson, under whose presidency the extermination of the American Indians began in earnest, Nor was this due to ignorance, much less lack of appreciation, of the accomplishments of native culture, for it was the same Jefferson who took public offence at Europeans celebrating Greek “democracy” and instead praised the eloquence of the Iroquois chiefs, whose confederacy (and customs) served as inspiration for the framing of the American Constitution. The internal ‘multiculturalism’ of today boosts externally oriented “cultural racism” (Dugin).

Beneath the (self-) deceptive collective image, the civilizational gulf between ‘autocratic’ Russia’s insistence on “brotherhood” and ‘individualistic’ America’s “freedom” crusades is rather at the deep “anthropological” level. McKim Marriott’s ‘ethnosociology’ project that the University of Chicago has long since abandoned, even while continuing to pay (tongue-in-cheek?) lip service, is well underway at Moscow State University:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... osociology (Dugin frequently invokes Franz Boas, Mainowski, and Lévi-Strauss…)

As the German Oswald Spengler foresaw in his Decline of the West, even Russian (Orthodox) Christianity is fundamentally (anthropologically) different from Western Catholicism (let alone Anglo-Saxon Protestantism).

Sunthar

[Rest of this thread at Sunthar V. (06 Dec 2008)

“Is Russia an integral part of 'Western' civilization? Ask Oswald Spengler (already in 1922)”]

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Friends,

Following the plenary talk by Craig Brandist last August in Gandhinagar (Gujarat) on how Soviet (as opposed to Western) Indology might have (at least indirectly) inflected Bakhtin’s pioneering thought and (possibly account for) radical departures from inherited European frameworks, there was an extended discussion of Russian ‘Eurasianism’ in the context of alternative approaches to empire, in which Dugin popped up:

http://openrevolt.info/2014/03/08/alexa ... n-ukraine/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPkEDRSYUpo

Sunthar

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In-depth insider analysis and assessment of the Ukraine situation culminating in wise advice to the Russian leadership to confront the [American] threat on a global war-footing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLUJpqaQpY

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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon May 05, 2014 1:02 am

7239"Collapse and Systemic Failure at All Levels Coming to U.S . - Dmitry Orlov" (video interview, 18 March)
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Dmitry Orlov is a [Jewish - SV] Russian blogger who writes about the parallel between the U.S and the USSR. Orlov lived through the financial collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990’s, and he thinks the U.S. is on the same trajectory. Orlov contends, “The trajectory is defined by this sort of incompetent militarism where more and more money results in bigger and bigger military fiascos around the world and less and less of actual foreign policy that can be pursued or articulated. There are massive levels of corruption. The amount of money that is being stolen by the U.S. Government and its various appropriations processes is now in the trillions of dollars a year. Runaway debt, the United States now has a level of debt that is un-repayable. All we’re waiting for is interest rates to go across the magic threshold of 3% and the entire budget of the country explodes. There are also all types of other tendencies that point in the direction of collapse and systemic failure at all levels.” […] “The United States right now, from my point of view and the point of view from observers from around the world, is on suicide watch. It’s a country that is going to self-destruct at some point in the near future.”
On the Ukraine crisis, Orlov thinks, “The Crimea referendum was the first legal way to find out what the people wanted to do. The turnout was remarkable, and they voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia, to become part of Russia once again. The interesting thing here is it was not just the Russians that voted to join Russia but the Ukrainians in Crimea, which makes a sizable part of the population voted to join Russia. . . Ukraine is composed of sort of a no man’s land in the West and then Russian territories in the East. . . . If that trend holds, you are basically left with this insolvent nugget of nothingness, and it will be up to the international community to decide what to do with these people. They are right now marching around Kiev with baseball bats and going into government offices and beating up members of local government and installing their own members. They are basically running amok. They don’t even have the support of the Ukrainian military at this point. So, it will be a mop-up operation against these neo-fascists that are running amok.” Orlov goes on to say, “In Washington, in the Obama Administration and in the Kerry State Department, we have absolutely breathtaking levels of incompetence. These people really don’t know what they’re doing and are dangerous at any speed; and everywhere else, we have this follow the incompetent leader thing taking place, and it’s really, really frightening because the incompetents are leading the world to a really dangerous place.”
Orlov goes on to say, “What are these people doing trash talking the Russians? What would these people do without Russia? How would they get out of earth’s orbit and visit the international space station? Who would negotiate international deals with Syria and Iran because all they can do is blunder and lose face.” Russia doesn’t need the United States for anything. The United States is the most dispensable country on earth.”
On possible war between Ukraine and Russia, Orlov contends, “They are not going to fight because the Ukraine military is part of the Russian military. There really isn’t any opposition. The Ukrainian military will decide what to do in a few days, and then they will inform the Russians, and after that, maybe they will inform their own government. Maybe they will just go into the government offices and just round them up. Last I heard, 60% of Ukrainian military accepted Russian passports already. The remaining parts are being shipped out to the mainland. That is happening peacefully. So, there isn’t going to be any fight. The really important point is the Ukrainian military all over Ukraine does not support the government in Kiev. They are withholding support, and what they really want is to join the Russian military. . . . The best thing Russia can do is sit back and relax and let this work out. I don’t think the government in Kiev has any legs.”

Greg Hunter, “Collapse and Systemic Failure at All Levels Coming to U.S.-Dmitry Orlov” (USA Watchdog, 19 March 2014)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCO5nZgvtbY (there’s much more in the interview articulated calmly and bluntly)

So how much more disinformation do our “liberal” American friends need simply to prop up their bloated and truly ‘exceptional’ self-image?

Sunthar

[Rest of this thread at Sunthar V. (19 March 2014) at
"96.77% of Crimeans Give The Finger To The White House Tyrant" (Roberts) - Putin takes charge of the new world order!]


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“Blackstoned: How America Killed Itself” (The Trumpet, 16 December 2008)


Although the basic, and obvious, conclusion is that the United States is worse prepared for economic collapse than Russia was, and will have a harder time than Russia had, there are some cultural facets to the United States that are not entirely unhelpful. To close on an optimistic note, I will mention three of these. I will say nothing particularly original here, so feel free to whistle your own cheerful tune as you read this. Firstly, and perhaps most surprisingly, Americans make better Communists than Russians ever did, or cared to try. They excel at communal living, with plenty of good, stable roommate situations, which compensate for their weak, alienated, or nonexistent families. These roommate situations can be used as a template, and scaled up to village-sized self-organized communities. Communism (obviously, under a more palatable name) makes a lot more sense in an unstable, resource-scarce environment than the individualistic approach. Where any Russian would cringe at such an idea, because it stirs the still fresh memories of the failed Soviet experiment at collectivization and forced communal living, Americans maintain a reserve of community spirit and civic-mindedness. Secondly, there is a layer of basic decency and niceness to at least some parts of American society, which has been all but destroyed in Russia over the course of Soviet history. There is an altruistic impulse to help strangers, and pride in being helpful to others. Americans are culturally homogeneous, and the biggest interpersonal barrier between them is the fear and alienation fostered by their racially and economically segregated living conditions. Lastly, hidden behind the tawdry veneer of patriotic bumper stickers and flags, there is an undercurrent of quiet national pride, which, if engaged, can produce high morale and results. Americans are not yet willing to simply succumb to circumstance. Because many of them lack a good understanding of their national predicament, their efforts to mitigate it may turn out to be in vain, but they are virtually guaranteed to make a valiant effort, for "this is, after all, America."

Dmitry Orlov, "Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century" (Conclusion), 2005

Hi Stuart,

I don’t doubt that many of these (so-called) ‘financial innovations’ had various theoretical ‘justifications’ and that ‘market fundamentalists’—after all everyone needs to believe in some religion even if only at the price of transforming their new-found (often self-serving) faith into (pseudo-) ‘science’…which is what (the equilibrium of ‘rational’ self-interest underlying) ‘economics’ itself seems to be amount to…—really believed that they were socially and globally beneficial in principle. That seasoned financiers and life-long gamblers with a modicum of philosophical insight (George Soros) and/or a remnant of plain human decency (Warren Buffet) could shun them as “weapons of financial mass destruction” says it all.

As for stocking up on food and otherwise (only figuratively?) arming oneself for looming catastrophe, there’s much we can learn from the collective experience of our Russian brothers who were morally far better equipped:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... sons.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... art2.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... art3.shtml

As you can see, it’s not just ‘Islamists’ and resident Russians who are proclaiming the end but quintessential WASP ideologists who otherwise still believe that America is the Chosen Nation (i.e., the ‘real’ Israel…).

All the best.


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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon May 05, 2014 1:09 am

I can never get enough of this, it is like Borat is hosting this group.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby Arminius » Tue May 06, 2014 2:49 am

As the German Oswald Spengler foresaw in his Decline of the West, even Russian (Orthodox) Christianity is fundamentally (anthropologically) different from Western Catholicism (let alone Anglo-Saxon Protestantism).

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“Is Russia an integral part of 'Western' civilization? Ask Oswald Spengler ....”]

According to Oswald Spengler the West has been consisting religiously of catholics and protestants, thus without all (all!) orthodox Christians. Greeks, Slavs, and other orthodox Christians have never been belonging to the Western culture / civilisation. They all have been getting influenced by the West - like the other people of the world as well -, but never been becoming a real part of the West.

Spengler assumed that there will be either no new culture anymore or perhaps one: a Russian one. But Spengler tended more to the conviction that no new culture will come, thus: the Western culture / civilisation ist the last one.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Tue May 06, 2014 9:34 pm

I have a greek orthodox spiritual mother, live one block from a greek church, and visit a greek monastery often.

There is increasingly alot of interaction between the orthodox and catholics. Perhaps issues in Germany, not here.

Its the monophysites that remain distant. No real reason for it either....

I am a old church Catholic, recognize the apostolic legitimacy of the original holy sees.

I really don't consider the protestants as closer to the Catholics than the Orthodox.... maybe the lutherans.... but most are little more than a anarchistic rabble that lost continuity from its christian roots a long time ago.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby Arminius » Wed May 07, 2014 6:20 pm

There is no problem with the orthodox Christians, as far as I know. But the border between the orthodox Christians and the catholic (incl. protestant) Christians has been existing as border between the Western culture and the Eastern culture since the 4th century. The following map shows this border:

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Westliches Christentum = Western Christianity | Östliches Christentum = Eastern Christianity (Orthodoxe Kirche = Orthodox Church) and Islam.

I translate Samuel P. Huntingtons answers to the following question:

„What is Europe?

Europe's borders in the north, west and south are drawn by large bodies of water, of which separates the southern clearly distinguishable cultures. But where does Europe end in the East? Who should apply as Europeans and therefore as a potential member of the European Union, NATO and similar organizations? The most compelling and thorough answer to these questions provides the great historical dividing line that separates ... West-Christian Muslim and Orthodox peoples. This line goes back to the division of the Roman Empire in the 4th century and the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire in the 10th century (by the German Sachsen-Kaiser). Its current course it takes ... in the north ... along the present border between Finland and Russia and the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) and Russia, through western Belarus, through Ukraine, where it seperates the Uniate west form the Orthodox East, through Romania between Transylvania with its catholic Hungarian population and the rest of the country, and through the former Yugoslavia along the border that separates Slovenia and Croatia from the other republics. In the Balkans, the line falls naturally along with the historic border between the Austro-Hungarian and the Ottoman Empire. This line is the cultural border of Europe and in the world after the Cold War, it is also the political and economic border of Europe and the West. A cultural approach provides a clear and unambiguous answer to the question the West Europeans moved: Where does Europe end? It stops where Western Christianity ends and Orthodoxy and Islam begin. That's the answer you want to hear Western Europeans, the majority of them, albeit sotto voce confirm and the leading of various intellectuals and politicians is explicitly confirmed. As Michael Howard executes, it is essential to consider the blurred distinction in the Soviet years between Central Europe and the actual Eastern Europe. Central Europe includes »the countries that were once part of the Christian West; the ancient lands of the Habsburg Empire, Austria, Hungary and Czechoslovakia to Poland and the eastern borderlands (Grenzmarken) in Germany. The name ›Eastern Europe‹ should remain those regions subject to that developed under the auspices of the Orthodox Church: the Black Sea Communities Bulgaria and Romania, which were released only in the 19th century from the Ottoman rule, and the ›European‹ parts of the Soviet Union.« According to Howard the first task of Western Europe must be, »to integrate the nations of Central Europe back into our cultural and economic community to which they belong by rights ...«. Two years later Pierre Bahar sees a »new fault line« arise, »an essentially cultural dividing line between a Europe that is dominated by Western Christianity (Roman Catholic or Protestant), on the one side, and a Europe of Eastern Christianity and Islamic traditions is marked, on the other side.« Similarly sees a prominent Finn the crucial division in Europe ... in the »old cultural fault line between East and West«, which includes »the countries of the former Austro -Hungarian Empire as well as Poland and the Baltic States« in the Europe of the West and the other East European and Balkan countries excludes. This is, as a prominent Englishmen agrees, »the great religious dividing line ... between the Eastern and the Western Church, roughly speaking, between the people who received their Christianity from Rome directly or through Celtic or Germanic mediator, and the peoples of the East and Southeast, which occurred about Constantinople (Konstantinopel, Byzanz) ....“ (Samuel P. Huntington, Clash of Civilizations, 1993-1996, pp. 250-254).

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I have no English version of Huntington's book. Please excuse me, if my translation contains some mistakes.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed May 07, 2014 11:19 pm

I know the history quite well, I can also trace it in north africa, and persia too....

However.... I feel more connection with a Catholic in Liberia than in Germany.

My weakness in history isnt in knowing classical, medieval, or renaissance..... but in knowing what is essentially prussian sociologists who wrote only in German, and played second fiddle to the bigger names in the Young Hegelians....

Europe in that period was concerned about stupid shit that has nothing to do with reality, like justifying conquest via culture or language. Im American, it seems artificial and contrived, and doesn't do any apparent good.

The line on your map reflects the Outcome of the schism of the holy sees, and the aftermath of the Ottoman empire, with Holy Sees seeking administrative rights on the christian populations.

Also what factors are the naval states such as Genoa and Venice that overlapped in ways not apparent on that map. It assume a late imperial perspective, circa Belisarius (who was a latin) and Justinian.

The actual cultural distribution, as Cezar could testify to this..... the communities are intermixed like checkerboards in many places.

I can take a topological analysis for ethnographic distributions involving gothic, slavic, germanic, and Arab invasions throughout the ancient world per region.... its always had an effect..... even in Sparta, clear differences by topography. You have Turkish and Gypsy and Viking invasions as well.

All this means is people got up and moved quite regularly. Even lazy ass germans ended up in palestine and the baltic states.

Shit happens, culture is a side effect, and degenerates on a flip of a coin. Its not something created by restrictions on the influence of alien languages, or in making people march around with sticks up their butts, or having some silly synthetic religion based on nietzschean/fascist cult playing mind games.

It comes from shared experience and local historians remembering. If the culture fades, it had no reason to stick around in the first place.....


Europe lost its special reason for being, and is voluntarily dying off. Some catholics and mostly muslims from what I hear in 50 years, with a bunch of geriatric whites trying to preserve a bullshit make believe culture. That line..... it has no meaning under such a circumstance. Goodbye and good riddance is my opinion..... Europe has been weak and backwards for the last few generations, and a incoherent land of mayhem the few generations just before. I wont be sorry to see it go, or its explanations of cultural supremacy.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby Arminius » Thu May 08, 2014 12:03 am

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:My weakness in history isnt in knowing classical, medieval, or renaissance..... but in knowing what is essentially prussian sociologists who wrote only in German, and played second fiddle to the bigger names in the Young Hegelians....

Who do you mean? The one I guess was not a Prussian. Generally, I noticed that you call some of the Non-Prussians "Prussians".

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Europe in that period was concerned about stupid shit that has nothing to do with reality, like justifying conquest via culture or language. Im American, it seems artificial and contrived, and doesn't do any apparent good.

Europeans interpret this relation reversely.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:The line on your map reflects the Outcome of the schism of the holy sees, and the aftermath of the Ottoman empire, with Holy Sees seeking administrative rights on the christian populations.

Not of the Ottoman Empire, but of the so called "Eastern Roman Empire", thus Byzantium.

This line is the exact borderline between the Western culture with its catholic Christians and later also the protestant Christians on the one side and the Eastern culture with its orthodox Christians and later also its muslims. The Western Romans and the Eastern Romans (Byzantines) formed this border in the 4th century, and it has never been changing. => #

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:The actual cultural distribution, as Cezar could testify to this ....

Not this racist Cezar again ....

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:I can take a topological analysis for ethnographic distributions involving gothic, slavic, germanic, and Arab invasions throughout the ancient world per region ....

Gothic is Germanic because it is a part of Germanic.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Europe has been weak and backwards for the last few generations ....

Europe lost, the US and the SU (by accident? SU / US :-k ) won the Second World War, but the SU has been eliminated since 1989 and the US is endangered, will probably lose much power, will perhaps also be eliminated, but (don't panic!) at the earliest in the middle of this century.[/quote]
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby Arminius » Thu May 08, 2014 6:46 pm

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:My weakness in history isnt in knowing classical, medieval, or renaissance..... but in knowing what is essentially prussian sociologists who wrote only in German, and played second fiddle to the bigger names in the Young Hegelians....

Who do you mean? The one I guess was not a Prussian. Generally, I noticed that you call some of the Non-Prussians "Prussians".

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Europe in that period was concerned about stupid shit that has nothing to do with reality, like justifying conquest via culture or language. Im American, it seems artificial and contrived, and doesn't do any apparent good.

Europeans interpret this relation reversely.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:The line on your map reflects the Outcome of the schism of the holy sees, and the aftermath of the Ottoman empire, with Holy Sees seeking administrative rights on the christian populations.

Not of the Ottoman Empire, but of the so called "Eastern Roman Empire", thus Byzantium.

This line is the exact borderline between the Western culture with its catholic Christians and later also the protestant Christians on the one side and the Eastern culture with its orthodox Christians and later also its muslims. The Western Romans and the Eastern Romans (Byzantines) formed this border in the 4th century, and it has never been changing. => #

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:The actual cultural distribution, as Cezar could testify to this ....

Not this racist Cezar again ....

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:I can take a topological analysis for ethnographic distributions involving gothic, slavic, germanic, and Arab invasions throughout the ancient world per region ....

Gothic is Germanic because it is a part of Germanic.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Europe has been weak and backwards for the last few generations ....

Europe lost, the US and the SU (by accident? SU / US    :-k ) won the Second World War, but the SU has been eliminated since 1989 and the US is endangered, will probably lose much power, will perhaps also be eliminated, but (don't panic!) at the earliest in the middle of this century.[/quote]
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Postby The Golden Turd » Fri May 09, 2014 2:21 am

Im not a big fan of 'German Philosophy', and it is all Prussian to me. My family was from the South, Catholics, and came to America before the revolution. My cousins across the pond got eaten up by the Prussians. How am I too look at German philosophy (Prussian Philosophy) seriously as a result? Its all bad sociology to me, and I love sociology. I can't help get a sickening feeling of creeping death, something macabre, when I read into that era. It is a people in a desperate search to die in mass. It all goes against every instinct to sustain life.

If I am anything, I am Anti-Prussian. I hate the pointy hats, racist philology and backwards groupthink, trying to substitute a fake culture some self proclaimed genius proclaims over religion, custom, and common sense.

1 out of 4 americans are descended from German Stock..... I think there is enough of good Germany here that we don't have to look towards bad Prussian philosophical notions and die pointlessly in the trenches for the sake of a few art pieces, a couple of symphonies, and some bootleg architecture stolen from other countries. It was all a silly farce.... dictating how language is expressed isnt going to save anything, the disease is now cemented in the language.

American Germans = Make babies, not into nihilism and Goethe and Marxs and Nietzsche, and finding excuses to die.

Prussia/Modern Germany= Dantes Level of Hell where the sodomites run around with the sterile sands whipping in the eyes, crying about Hermeneutics and how misunderstood Heidegger is.

Honestly..... I am just waiting Germany out.... once the population collapses to a certain point just Annex it.... force everyone to learn English and get back to making babies..... none of this stupid geist and marching around crap, or declaring god is dead...... drop that crap and embrace life.

And no, map is clearly Ottoman...... I noted the latin desposition of the Yugoslavian region..... the Ottomans used the Byzantine road and cities as the basis of their civilization.... I can point out infact alot of issues with that map.... but it doesnt matter, as we live in the 21st century and have higher historic standards than anyone in the 19th century had, period.

(Germans have done good work historically in studies of the Hittite Empire, and did plentiful translations of the Classics in the 19th century. This is the positive debt I recognize. I see mostly negative. Their whole outlook is self hatred and foolishness, and in bullshitting and systematically misleading themselves. That is how I feel whenever I see a German work at first glance..... deep suspicion and disgust.... especially when its hegelian (Nazis, Communist, Anarchist, Nietzschean).

I still keep my eye out for thinkers who break the trend.... the death march to oblivion..... a great thinker can arise anywhere.... just hasnt appeared in Germany in several generations. I cant point to anyone of note in the 19th and 20th century as a great philosopher. Just some frauds who mislead what was left of Germany into a slow extinction.
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Everything I just said can be summed up as this, doesnt just deal with Germany, but any people:

"If Revolutionary Philosophies consistently lead to a weakening of a people, and not a strengthening of them, essentially murdering them instead of securing them, then no matter how clever the synthesis, or well worded its principles are, it ultimately has to be rejected and quarantined, if it has a miserable track record.... as its not the facts persay, but the behaviorism that occurs in the mind resultant from the whole. If the philosophies are studied, its with delicate caution and disgust, not blind enthusiasm and bad nationalism that it is isolated. Best way to discern the good parts is to identify what is similar in other philosophies, and work from there, spiraling down to what is disgusting and horrid".

Such is my outlook. What is discusting and horrid is the stupid prussian militarism, its aggrandized laughable culture, placing the value of human life second to order, culture, and the law, and its defeatist infatuation today in trying to preserve its language by turning into a dysfunctional fossil, to ensure the defeat of two world wars remain permanently inplace as the center piece of its modern philosophy.

Just give up the silly farce and embrace life.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

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Sorry, but your texts are full of untruth, scapegoat "theory", bias, prejudice, revenge, payback, enviousness, jealousy ....
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Bias..... depends on the post, this one, fair statement.

Untruth..... no, everything I said was the truth. Bias isn't inherently false.

Prejustice.... I assume you mean prejudice? Yeah, I hate 19th century Prussians and Nazis. Like I said elsewhere, being a Cosmopolitan requires me to study and explore the philosophies of all quarters of the world, not necessarily accept them. Its a philosophy of select Eclecticism.... the 19th Century produced some of the worst backwards, prejudiced thinkers period. Hence, I am prejudiced to them.... its a sick era. Frankly, I would of preferred Alexander the Great's policy of mixing of the races to of been a success, instead of this subtle 'Culture' crap being around, which really just means we want just this Ethnic Group, or This Deadend Way of Thinking. If such things were worthwhile, we wouldnt need saving them. If the government told me how to write English, or the necessity of maintaining folk polka and banjo and fiddle operations, or what historic tile for the roof to use, I would tell them to go F themselves.

Revenge..... depends.... I've purposely left Sauwelios alone here for suspicious reasons, only defending myself once. I haven't hit half the people I could here.... vindictiveness isnt a solid platform for progress. If I had a choice between progress and revenge, I choose progress. And some people, they just are not cognitively worthwhile for revenge, it won't evoke a positive change. But when I do, I do it well.

Payback.... see revenge.

Envy..... who? That is not a Cynic trait, its a Nietzschean, its why you are all liars and petty thugs, the lowest common denominator in human society. I desire things, such as a new pair of shoes, but dont envy people with better shoes.

Jealously..... is there anyone I am jealous of? Yes.... but I dont envy them, its luck and opportunity on their side.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby Arminius » Sat May 10, 2014 1:26 am

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:1 out of 4 americans are descended from German Stock..... I think there is enough of good Germany here ....

Okay. That's fine.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:And no, map is clearly Ottoman......

This map shows the border in the year 1500, but what was meant is that this border has been existing since the 4th century, when the Ottoman-Turkish people lived in Central Asia (so at that time they had nothing to do with this border) and the north(east)ern part - as it ist shown in this map - was unknown. Therefore Samuel P. Huntington could say: „This is, as a prominent Englishmen agrees, »the great religious dividing line ... between the Eastern and the Western Church, roughly speaking, between the people who received their Christianity from Rome directly or through Celtic or Germanic mediator, and the peoples of the East and Southeast, which occurred about Constantinople (Byzantium) ....“ (Samuel P. Huntington, Clash of Civilizations, 1993-1996, p. 254). This border has not been changing since the 4th century (the southern part) and since the proselytisation (the northern part) by the German missionaries (on the west side which later became Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and other slavish catholic countries) and the Greek missionaries (on the east side which later became Russia and other orthodox countries). That is what Huntington said. That is true.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Untruth..... no, everything I said was the truth..

Then I have to disagree with you, "my God".

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:The 19th Century produced some of the worst backwards, prejudiced thinkers period.

That is also not true.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Frankly, I would of preferred Alexander the Great's policy of mixing of the races to of been a success, instead of this subtle 'Culture' crap being around, which really just means we want just this Ethnic Group, or This Deadend Way of Thinking. If such things were worthwhile, we wouldnt need saving them. If the government told me how to write English, or the necessity of maintaining folk polka and banjo and fiddle operations, or what historic tile for the roof to use, I would tell them to go F themselves.

Alexander the Great's political system had existed 13 years, Hitler*s political system had existed 12 years. When Alexander died, his political system broke to pieces immediately, and his followers - the so called "diadochies" - began their wars. That is what you prefer? When Hitler died, his political system ended immediately, and there were no followers because only very less Germans had really been Nazis. So if you always compare Germans with Nazis or with Prussians, then you don't know very much about the German history. For example: the Austrians are more important than the Prussians when it comes to really understand the whole German history. The Austrians had been the most powerful part of Germany for about 300 or 400 years, but the Prussians had been the most powerful part of Germany for about 50 or 100 or - at the most - 200 years, and for about 150 years both the Austrian and Prussians were the most powerful part of Germany (this "double power" is historically called: "Deutscher Dualismus" - "German Dualism"). If you say the German history is mostly a Prussian history, then you are wrong, your statement is false. When it comes to understand the German history, it is required to know the Germans. And you (b.t.w.: as well as that racist Cezar) don't know the Germans.

You believe that Alexander the Great was a cosmopolitan? I disagree!

If you say you hate this or this nation, then you are a nationalist too, and a more nationalistic one than any nationalist. You always have to refer to national or nationalitsic issues, if you are an anti-nationalist. You can't eliminate nations and nationalism by being an anti-nationalist. That doesn't work.

So I advise you to call yourself „A-Nietzsche(an)“ or „Non-Nietzsche(an)“, if you do not want to agree with the German philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. With an „Anti“ or a „Contra“ you merely affirm what you do not want to affirm, and you affirm it more than itself. Or I advise you to call yourself „A-Cezarboy“ or „Non-Cezarboy“.

Nobody has a solution of the problem around us. A fortiori the Cezarboy and other copycats have no solution because they are too stupid and especially too one-sided. Of course nationalism is not the solution, racisms is not the solution, sexism is not the solution, genderism is not the solution, cosmopolitanism is not the solution, internationalism is not the solution, and globalism (as a synthesis) is not the solution, libertarianism / liberalism is not the solution, egalitarianism is not the solution, fraternalism is not the solution because globalism (as a synthesis) is not the solution.

Do you have a solution? The policy of Alexander the Great? Or Machiavellism? Cynicism? Catholicism?

No, unfortunately they all are old "solutions" because at last they failed.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby The Golden Turd » Sun May 11, 2014 1:57 am

Yeah.... post disseapered..... love this glitch...

Okay, auick recap:
1) I never presented a plan, and only advocate to Cynicism guys who are ex-military and preferably homeless, and even passed up a Cynic once who wanted to follow me, which doesnt make sense in the first place.... only person I tried to recruit here is Joker, as he met the two qualifications, but he let the anger and misery eat at him, instead of growing positive....

I don't think I either promoted Alexander the Great as a Cosmopolitan, and only advocated a wish for a single policy of his to succeed..... the mixing of the races, which is NOT a advocacy for his structural deficiencies in empire building and securing a dynasty..... I blame Aristotle for that. But your charge that Alexander was NOT a Cosmopolitan is historically incorrect. He was, perhaps the premier one in history. He hated the Persian State, but married for his Queen a Persian, and made many of his men do so. Secondly, its the most obvious reason why so many Cynics followed Alexander and the successors..... two very notable exclusions being Diogenes and Crates, both known notoriously for rejecting him. So your refutation dies there.

A good person to study up on this would be Arrian, a historian who was trained by Epictetus.... who lead a Stoic School..... Arrian wrote on Stoic ideals, and Alexander the Great. I never advocated Arrius, Epictetus, the Stoics, or Alexander the Great as a model, much less as a solution to anything however.

Please find my post where I seek to make some world solution to some impending apocalypse (????) by advocating Cynicism or Catholicism..... yeah..... you have all the time to search for that you want, no rush. There are over a billion Catholics, so we can fend for ourselves, and as to Cynics.... fuck if I care if the philosophy collapses after I am gone. It comes and goes, always been that way. In any future, good or bad, there will be Cynics..... some will agree with me, some will not, such is our way. What is important about Cynicism is our underlying feral function..... we are the pioneers, and irreducible base to philosophy. We will always have this in the future, and I cant save or even promote it.... its a natural function in the soul of man.... recurring. So.... meh..... fight it or love it.

As to me not knowing Germans, I know that race quite well, and know my history..... I am very active on history forums, especially classical world history. No..... we were never historically unified as a people, not even under Arminius.... who only got a few tribes to Ambush the Romans, and was himself killed by other Germans..... he sure the hell didnt prevent the Romans from launching further raids on US (remember, I am a German), the Romans used to send genocidal thinning operations out into the middle of Germany. Many German tribes even joined the Roman Empire.... all he did was spur reprisal invasions, and Roman Armies fucked over each tribe that held a legionary eagle..... I mean fuck.... Arminus fucked our people and kept them as permanent herd animals for centuries.... so he is no Overman.

The Carolignian Empire never controlled all Germans, and were dynastially fucked up. Read several histories (primary sources). Holy Roman Empire didn't, 30 Year War didnt, Prussia didnt, Nazis didnt. We never had a unifying dialect, much less a language.... ever.

Only thing oir people ever managed to do is diaspora..... at every stage, some Germans managed to go somewhere else. Like my Tribe, lead by Eisenhower who spoke English, and didnt give a fuck about Prussia or the Nazis..... I Like Ike.... Eisenhower is a very German name, isnt it? How about those Germans in Argentina? Or the colonies Catherine the Great and Peter the Great brought into Russia?

Oh.... by Germans, you mean those fuckers who marched with sticks up their butts, pointy spiked hats, mustaches..... the ones my ancestors left, the ones who had children who saluted a Nietzschean true believer, who murdered millions of German Catholics.... my cousins..... oh.... that tribe of Germans. Sorry about the misunderstanding.... suuuuure, load me up with 19th century german ideologists who helped create that horrid mess...... they had a solution to something that didnt need solved, just like you do.

You know what..... I dont think there is a pending cataclysm that requires me to accept Prussian or Nazis solutions. I dont need its racist sociology, I dont need spinoffs of Hegel, seeking to remold civilization into a utopia via enslavement of others, or unrelenting genocide and indiscriminate revolution. I like the republic my ancestors built. I like just trying to make a better future, using the Machiavellian principles of our Founding Fathers. Not interested in Euro-Lunacy.

The world will not automatically collapse into Nihilism and world revolution X number of years after WW2, just because a prussian thought so based off calculations culled from bad history.

My background before becoming a Cynic was as a Machiavellian, I had already studied most major writings, classical and modern, on the subject of Statecraft, Diplomacy, Economics, Ekistics, and most importantly, Military History. I had even then a decent psychological background, as Satyr even dug up much to his unfortunate surprise. If I teach anything, its for others to know the very best in our world history from such thinkers, to eludicate, compare, and contradt such systems, and to read primary works, not opinions of professors.

My system, my greatest gift to people is my poverty. So very contrarian to the Nietzschean position, but it keeps me Green and true to philosophy in a era where so many others wither. I am that which is for my own merits. I exist not for ego gratification, but because the Cynic Philosopher is a recurring figure in history with a role to play. I dont plot against the future. If I see a bottleneck, I plan for it, warn it, but such actions are streamlined and targeted for the appropriate audience, under a minimal influence pretext, just enough for people to understand and comprehend.... nothing of the concern of the present, and likely to collect dust in a war college for a few centuries before it occurs to someone its already been worked out within several variables.

Thats a plan with no followers, no fame, no followers, no exploitation of others..... just a clear and targeted, minimal yet very explanatory engine for solutions. But never once, spoken here. Merely advertised, so someone remembers those breadcrumbs when the time comes.

And Contra-Nietzsche fits. Fits fine..... and trying to lecture me on proper use of the English language falls on deaf ears..... ask Blurry, aint gonna happen. No language authority in the english language, we, as Wittgenstein noted, have a superior freedom to express a deeper meaning through our mistakes.

In my case, however..... its not a mistake. Claiming to be a- without, makes no damn sense..... Im contrasting and combatting, not trying to be without all that is Nietzsche.... he was a male, a philosopher, inspired by the Cynics and Catholics..... fuck, he liked Mark Twain and walking, and both of us read The Satyricon, Machiavelli, Arius Didymus, Jerome Cardan, Montaigne, ect..... and we both get rated as having near identical personality types. Philosophers have more in common than not. Its why I say to quarantine and not destroy the works of Marxists, Nietzscheans, Anarchists, Nazis, and the lesser Prussians. Some is bound to be good. Just most of the worst shitheads who post on this site, or write in philosophy, are inspired by this most incredibly fucked up and backwards of eras.

I can read and laugh at Kashmiri posts, like with the OP, as they are clearly backwards and ideologically driven from a very confused group who lost all bearings on what should be their priorities...... the Indian-Pakistani-Chinese stalemate that keeps the area in deep tension..... the US and Russia are peripheral players at best..... but this guy is harmless..... at least to the US.

In your case Arminius, your just as lost. If Cezar supports your ideas, its a clear indicator something is wrong with them..... your people are dying because they are trying to constantly preserve the past, and find a grand solution. Its why your country is prone to cultic crazes, like Anarchism, then Socialism, then National Socialism, then the Green Movement.... I mean shit, eventually it should occur to a few of you a pattern is emerging.

Just have trust in the future. I trust it, as I do my duty to my people, I seek after philosophy sincerely. I dont have ambitions over anyone save those who seek to enslave me.... and only then its to break their habit. I simply put, am not interested. I refuse to follow any further the road to death. I embrace life, through Cynic independence. Fuck your grand prussian scheme, Im not marching if Cezar is that eager to follow you.
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Yeah.... post disseapered..... love this glitch...

Okay, a shortened recap:
1) I never presented a plan, and only advocate to Cynicism guys who are ex-military and preferably homeless, and even passed up a Cynic once who wanted to follow me, which doesnt make sense in the first place.... only person I tried to recruit here is Joker, as he met the two qualifications, but he let the anger and misery eat at him, instead of growing positive....

I don't think I either promoted Alexander the Great as a Cosmopolitan, and only advocated a wish for a single policy of his to succeed..... the mixing of the races, which is NOT a advocacy for his structural deficiencies in empire building and securing a dynasty..... I blame Aristotle for that. But your charge that Alexander was NOT a Cosmopolitan is historically incorrect. He was, perhaps the premier one in history. He hated the Persian State, but married for his Queen a Persian, and made many of his men do so. Secondly, its the most obvious reason why so many Cynics followed Alexander and the successors..... two very notable exclusions being Diogenes and Crates, both known notoriously for rejecting him. So your refutation dies there.

A good person to study up on this would be Arrian, a historian who was trained by Epictetus.... who lead a Stoic School..... Arrian wrote on Stoic ideals, and Alexander the Great. I never advocated Arrius, Epictetus, the Stoics, or Alexander the Great as a model, much less as a solution to anything however.

Please find my post where I seek to make some world solution to some impending apocalypse (????) by advocating Cynicism or Catholicism..... yeah..... you have all the time to search for that you want, no rush. There are over a billion Catholics, so we can fend for ourselves, and as to Cynics.... fuck if I care if the philosophy collapses after I am gone. It comes and goes, always been that way. In any future, good or bad, there will be Cynics..... some will agree with me, some will not, such is our way. What is important about Cynicism is our underlying feral function..... we are the pioneers, and irreducible base to philosophy. We will always have this in the future, and I cant save or even promote it.... its a natural function in the soul of man.... recurring. So.... meh..... fight it or love it.

As to me not knowing Germans, I know that race quite well, and know my history..... I am very active on history forums, especially classical world history. No..... we were never historically unified as a people, not even under Arminius.... who only got a few tribes to Ambush the Romans, and was himself killed by other Germans..... he sure the hell didnt prevent the Romans from launching further raids on US (remember, I am a German), the Romans used to send genocidal thinning operations out into the middle of Germany. Many German tribes even joined the Roman Empire.... all he did was spur reprisal invasions, and Roman Armies fucked over each tribe that held a legionary eagle..... I mean fuck.... Arminus fucked our people and kept them as permanent herd animals for centuries.... so he is no Overman.

The Carolignian Empire never controlled all Germans, and were dynastially fucked up. Read several histories (primary sources). Holy Roman Empire didn't, 30 Year War didnt, Prussia didnt, Nazis didnt. We never had a unifying dialect, much less a language.... ever.

Only thing oir people ever managed to do is diaspora..... at every stage, some Germans managed to go somewhere else. Like my Tribe, lead by Eisenhower who spoke English, and didnt give a fuck about Prussia or the Nazis..... I Like Ike.... Eisenhower is a very German name, isnt it? How about those Germans in Argentina? Or the colonies Catherine the Great and Peter the Great brought into Russia?

Oh.... by Germans, you mean those fuckers who marched with sticks up their butts, pointy spiked hats, mustaches..... the ones my ancestors left, the ones who had children who saluted a Nietzschean true believer, who murdered millions of German Catholics.... my cousins..... oh.... that tribe of Germans. Sorry about the misunderstanding.... suuuuure, load me up with 19th century german ideologists who helped create that horrid mess...... they had a solution to something that didnt need solved, just like you do.

You know what..... I dont think there is a pending cataclysm that requires me to accept Prussian or Nazis solutions. I dont need its racist sociology, I dont need spinoffs of Hegel, seeking to remold civilization into a utopia via enslavement of others, or unrelenting genocide and indiscriminate revolution. I like the republic my ancestors built. I like just trying to make a better future, using the Machiavellian principles of our Founding Fathers. Not interested in Euro-Lunacy.

The world will not automatically collapse into Nihilism and world revolution X number of years after WW2, just because a prussian thought so based off calculations culled from bad history.

My background before becoming a Cynic was as a Machiavellian, I had already studied most major writings, classical and modern, on the subject of Statecraft, Diplomacy, Economics, Ekistics, and most importantly, Military History. I had even then a decent psychological background, as Satyr even dug up much to his unfortunate surprise. If I teach anything, its for others to know the very best in our world history from such thinkers, to eludicate, compare, and contradt such systems, and to read primary works, not opinions of professors.

My system, my greatest gift to people is my poverty. So very contrarian to the Nietzschean position, but it keeps me Green and true to philosophy in a era where so many others wither. I am that which is for my own merits. I exist not for ego gratification, but because the Cynic Philosopher is a recurring figure in history with a role to play. I dont plot against the future. If I see a bottleneck, I plan for it, warn it, but such actions are streamlined and targeted for the appropriate audience, under a minimal influence pretext, just enough for people to understand and comprehend.... nothing of the concern of the present, and likely to collect dust in a war college for a few centuries before it occurs to someone its already been worked out within several variables.

Thats a plan with no followers, no fame, no followers, no exploitation of others..... just a clear and targeted, minimal yet very explanatory engine for solutions. But never once, spoken here. Merely advertised, so someone remembers those breadcrumbs when the time comes.

And Contra-Nietzsche fits. Fits fine..... and trying to lecture me on proper use of the English language falls on deaf ears..... ask Blurry, aint gonna happen. No language authority in the english language, we, as Wittgenstein noted, have a superior freedom to express a deeper meaning through our mistakes.

In my case, however..... its not a mistake. Claiming to be a- without, makes no damn sense..... Im contrasting and combatting, not trying to be without all that is Nietzsche.... he was a male, a philosopher, inspired by the Cynics and Catholics..... fuck, he liked Mark Twain and walking, and both of us read The Satyricon, Machiavelli, Arius Didymus, Jerome Cardan, Montaigne, ect..... and we both get rated as having near identical personality types. Philosophers have more in common than not. Its why I say to quarantine and not destroy the works of Marxists, Nietzscheans, Anarchists, Nazis, and the lesser Prussians. Some is bound to be good. Just most of the worst shitheads who post on this site, or write in philosophy, are inspired by this most incredibly fucked up and backwards of eras.

I can read and laugh at Kashmiri posts, like with the OP, as they are clearly backwards and ideologically driven from a very confused group who lost all bearings on what should be their priorities...... the Indian-Pakistani-Chinese stalemate that keeps the area in deep tension..... the US and Russia are peripheral players at best..... but this guy is harmless..... at least to the US.

In your case Arminius, your just as lost. If Cezar supports your ideas, its a clear indicator something is wrong with them..... your people are dying because they are trying to constantly preserve the past, and find a grand solution. Its why your country is prone to cultic crazes, like Anarchism, then Socialism, then National Socialism, then the Green Movement.... I mean shit, eventually it should occur to a few of you a pattern is emerging.

Just have trust in the future. I trust it, as I do my duty to my people, I seek after philosophy sincerely. I dont have ambitions over anyone save those who seek to enslave me.... and only then its to break their habit. I simply put, am not interested. I refuse to follow any further the road to death. I embrace life, through Cynic independence. Fuck your grand prussian scheme, Im not marching if Cezar is that eager to follow you.
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Re: Why Philosophy in Kashmir FAILS

Postby Arminius » Sun May 11, 2014 4:03 am

Contra-Nietzsche wrote: But your charge that Alexander was NOT a Cosmopolitan is historically incorrect. He was, perhaps the premier one in history.

So, according to you, the Europeans were „cosmopolitans“ because they conquered, captured - amongst others - the North-American continent and murdered 10 Millions of the „Indians“and also many of the „Blacks“. Why I am saying that is because of the fact that Alexander the Great was primarily a conqueror, but according to you he was merely a „cosmopolitan“.

And: If you were really a "cosmopolitan", you would not exclude so much other people from being a part of your so called "cosmopolitan humanity", you would not be in need of a double moral standard, you would not be in need of a scapegoat, ... and so on. Conclusion: You are NO cosmopolitan.

Your cynism is merely a part of nihilism, of a nihilistic system. Not more. (We will come back to it.)

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:I am very active on history forums, especially classical world history.

Okay, but that proves nothing. I have already noticed, how much you know about history.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Overman.

That means Nietzsche's „Übermensch“. So I am asking myself why you so often use Nietzsche's words or terms, although you call yourself „Contra-Nietzsche“. Is it because of that I told you in my next to last post?

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Mustaches.

At that time nearly all European males had nustaches. Why don't you know such simple facts? It's history, man!

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Prussian or Nazis.

You often put "Prussian" and "Nazis" together, but do you know that Hitler was an Austrian? Okay, I also don't care at last, anyway he was German, you would say now. Right? Okay, you are right. I don't care.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Hegel.

Hegel was one of the greatest German idealists, and sometimes I think that you are a German idealist as well because of your cosmopolitism which is also an element in the philosophy of the German idealists. I don't have to mention the names - they are too many.

But don't tell that you are a German Idealist because you would lose your scapegoat!

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:German Catholics.... my cousins.

So you are German.

But don't tell that you are a German because you would lose your scapegoat!

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Not interested in Euro-Lunacy.

Agreement.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Prussian thought.

Which you mean?

But don't tell good things because you would lose your scapegoat!

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:My system, my greatest gift to people is my poverty. So very contrarian to the Nietzschean position, but it keeps me Green and true to philosophy in a era where so many others wither. I am that which is for my own merits. I exist not for ego gratification, but because the Cynic Philosopher is a recurring figure in history with a role to play.

Agreement.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Wittgenstein.

Not Prussian, but Austrian - like Hitler (see above). Anyway he was German, you would say now. Okay, you are right. I don't care (see above).

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Nazis, and ... Prussians.

Again (see above).

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Your people are dying.

YOUR people are dying! And Cezar's too! Don't you know anything about demographics?

The Europeans are dying out also means the Europeans in the US are dying out as well.

I have never been to the US, but when I remember the pictures of e.g. the 1960's and compare it with the pictures of today, then I ask myself, whether US is a part of Africa or a part of Latin America. But as you said: You have still your 25% Germans as your scapegoat.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Trying to constantly preserve the past ....

You preserve the past, you pereserve e.g. the 4th century B.C (Antisthenes, Diogenes, Alexander the Great a.s.o. - VERY MUCH PAST), the 1st century (Christianity - MUCH PAST), and the 16th century (Machiavelli, Cardano a.s.o. - PAST) because:
Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Im am three things, 1) A Catholic 2) A Cynic 3) A Machiavellian.
That makes: –4 + 1 + 16 = 13 / 3 = 4.33' (average). So you preserve the 4th or early 5th century - bad time for you because you scapegoat is conquering Rome and its whole empire!

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Cezar supports your ideas ....

Are you crazy? Are you "Cezar"?

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Its why your country is prone to cultic crazes, like Anarchism, then Socialism, then National Socialism, then the Green Movement.

Anarchism? Also France!
Socialism? Also France!
National Socialism? There are many theories about the cause of the National Socialism, and I can guarantee you: Your "theory" is false.
Green Movement? Okay, that's true.

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Nazis, and ... Prussians.

Again (see above).

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:I embrace life.

Because you are a Nietzschean (Contra-Nietzschean = Also-Nietzschean).

Contra-Nietzsche wrote:Cezar is that eager to follow you.

See above!

Result again (cp. my next to last post): scapegoat "theory", prejustice, revenge, payback, enviousness, jealousy ....

Excuse me, but that is pretty much shit what you are writing.

If I had to find a title for an OP in the „Rant House“, I would prefer the following one: The Scapegoat "Theory" of Cezarboy and Contra-Nietzsche.

I forgive you a little bit because you are still too young, relatively young of course, and because you are a catholic as I am.

My advice: Get you a room with Cezarboy and try to convince him, so that he converts as soon as possible. Good luck!

You have a chance because you are in some or even many cases similar to him. For example: you both are "warriors", nihilistic "warriors" of course, and you both don't want a philosophical discussion or conversation, but an order, a command in order to dictate your nihilistic ideology. Christianity is (if we believe in Nietzsche, but I don't believe in him so much) a part of nihilism (you are a Christian, a Catholic => 1), cynism is a part of nihilism (you are a Cynic => 2), Machiavellism is a part of a pre-stage to nihilism (you are a Machiavellian => 3). Cezarboy calls himself a "Nietzschean", and Nietzscheans are also a part of nihilism. So have a nice time with Cezarboy in your nihilistic warrior room.

Take it easy.
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