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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Arminius » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:15 am

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Is_Yde_opN wrote:It’s quite simple - an elite which doesn’t care about family bonds doesn’t relate or care about the family bonds of the lower classes.
So it’s in the interests of the lower classes who care about their families to have an elite which cares about their own families.
The ugly fact is that the families of elites do not follow the same rules, or have the same opportunities as the families of the poor. A son of a mayor may run over and kill someone after spending a night clubbing and doing drugs and his daddy can use his political influence to pull some strings and get the judge to acquit his son, or to lessen his punishment quite significantly. Things like that happen. It's his son after all, but not only that, his own reputation gets on the line, too.

Yes. But it is not possible to completely avoid corruption. Animals already practice corruption.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Pandora » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:31 am

Melania Trump's father, Viktor Knavs, was a member of Yugoslavian Communist Party:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -Lady.html

http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/30/donald-tr ... m-5470817/
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Kriswest » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:58 pm

The only problem with Communism,, it has humans. On paper , it is pretty good.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Arminius » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:24 am

Philosophically said, the Marxistic communism, which is based on Hegel's dialectic, says that the capitalism is the thesis, the dictatorship of the proletariat is the antithesis, and classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis. But if is right that history is class struggle (war), then it is not - or at least only without history - possible to get a classless equality and equal happiness for all. Okay, Hegel already claimed the end of history, also Marx who was a Left-Hegelian, and many others (mostly Hegelians, some Nietzscheans, some others). So, as long as there is history there is no classless equality and equal happiness for all, so that the classes, the inequality, thus the class struggle (war) remain.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Pandora » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:40 am

Arminius wrote: So, as long as there is history there is no classless equality and equal happiness for all, so that the classes, the inequality, thus the class struggle (war) remain.
I agree with this.

This relates to my Sins of Fathers thread, in that people often look to history to justify their aggression against others. The real reason may be just for resources, but people will still look to history for moral justification.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Arminius » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:51 pm

Pandora wrote:
Arminius wrote: So, as long as there is history there is no classless equality and equal happiness for all, so that the classes, the inequality, thus the class struggle (war) remain.
I agree with this.

Thanks.

Now, because there is not less but more war (=> history), the conclusion must be either (a) the trial to finish history or (b) the search for other solutions. Ending history is theoretically possible. Maybe the machines, the genetic engineering, and the cyborgization will lead us to the capability of ending history practically in the future. At the moment there is more war than ever before.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Kriswest » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:52 pm

Humans are bored, there are no frontiers or exploration left. War cures boredom in such species.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Arminius » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:00 pm

War requires weapons. Either they are part of the body, or they need to be made resp. bought from someone else. So war is a business too. This means that war becomes more and more lucrative and that nobody of the big war business has an interest in giving it up.

Especially in modern times the contradiction between the war business of a very few people and the wish of living in peace and harmony of the most people is very obvious. So the rhetorical lies are on top, since the few people of the war business are powerful, whereas the most people are powerless.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:43 pm

Arminius wrote:
Pandora wrote:
Is_Yde_opN wrote:It’s quite simple - an elite which doesn’t care about family bonds doesn’t relate or care about the family bonds of the lower classes.
So it’s in the interests of the lower classes who care about their families to have an elite which cares about their own families.
The ugly fact is that the families of elites do not follow the same rules, or have the same opportunities as the families of the poor. A son of a mayor may run over and kill someone after spending a night clubbing and doing drugs and his daddy can use his political influence to pull some strings and get the judge to acquit his son, or to lessen his punishment quite significantly. Things like that happen. It's his son after all, but not only that, his own reputation gets on the line, too.

Yes. But it is not possible to completely avoid corruption. Animals already practice corruption.


Incorrect. Mayors are not Mafia, they are Town. Mayors rarely get off easy. The Government is the Gang. The only difference is Russia doesn't even try to hide it, while America desperately tries to hide it in a cucky MSNBC family wrapping.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Arminius » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:43 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Pandora wrote:The ugly fact is that the families of elites do not follow the same rules, or have the same opportunities as the families of the poor. A son of a mayor may run over and kill someone after spending a night clubbing and doing drugs and his daddy can use his political influence to pull some strings and get the judge to acquit his son, or to lessen his punishment quite significantly. Things like that happen. It's his son after all, but not only that, his own reputation gets on the line, too.

Yes. But it is not possible to completely avoid corruption. Animals already practice corruption.


Incorrect. Mayors are not Mafia, they are Town. Mayors rarely get off easy.

You misunderstood me here again.

I am saying that "it is not possible to completely avoid corruption" (in general!) and you are talking about "mayors". I was not talking about something in special (e.g. mayors) but about something in general: corruption (in general!). And in that general case, it is relatively irrelevant whether mayors are also corrupt or not, although they sometimes or even often are (it depends on their social environment, its culture, its political structure).

Corruption map:

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Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:The Government is the Gang. The only difference is Russia doesn't even try to hide it, while America desperately tries to hide it in a cucky MSNBC family wrapping.

The governments are parts of the big gangs.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Pandora » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:57 pm

Well, now that Melania is an official public figure, all of the truth about her past is going to come out in the open. Does the US want a gold digger (with shady connections) as a leading lady of the United States?

From now on, no more lawsuits and no more sending death threats to journalists probing into your past, Melania!

In United States law, public figure is a term applied in the context of defamation actions (libel and slander) as well as invasion of privacy. A public figure (such as a politician, celebrity, or business leader) cannot base a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with actual malice (knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth).[1] The burden of proof in defamation actions is higher in the case of a public figure.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:41 pm

Arminius wrote:Corruption map:

http://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2016/0 ... 046856.jpg

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:The Government is the Gang. The only difference is Russia doesn't even try to hide it, while America desperately tries to hide it in a cucky MSNBC family wrapping.

The governments are parts of the big gangs.


I am supposed to believe a Corruption Map made by the Corrupt? Laugh.

It's obvious the map was made by Hillary Clinton shills who wanted to make Russia look bad.
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Re: Government Officials and Family

Postby Arminius » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:39 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:I am supposed to believe a Corruption Map made by the Corrupt? Laugh.

It's obvious the map was made by Hillary Clinton shills who wanted to make Russia look bad.

:lol:

No.

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