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Re: Government

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:07 am

Is_Yde_opN wrote:
Arminius wrote:The worst is yet to come. There will be hell to pay.


I'm not sure I understand you the right way.

My thought was: "Das dicke Ende kommt erst noch", then I translated that into: "The worst is yet to come. There will be hell to pay."

Is_Yde_opN wrote:Like for example, would you think that colonisation and imperialism through Europeans happened because Europeans were motivated by things like the Mongolian invasion or the Muslim invasions into Europe prior to it?

It depends on the reference. The modern colonisation and imperialism through the Europeans were perhaps indirectly but not directly motivated by certain foreign invasions. By "indirectly" I mean "through their own earlier history" when they were probably or perhaps motivated by those invasions. So, if the reference is (A) the earliest beginning of the Europeans as the Occidental Christians, then we have to talk about the change from the pagan German tribes to those Occidental Christians and the proabability that they were motivated (1.) with a very high probability by the Ancient Roman empire and invasions, (2.) with a relatively high probability by the Byzantine empire and invasions, (3.) with medium or low probability by the Arabo-Islamis empire and invasions; if the reference is the (B) earliest beginning of a self, a self-assurance, a self-consciousness of those Occidental Christians, then we do not have to talk about the Mongolian invasion, because the probaility is very low that the Mongolian invasion was such a motivation at that time, but nevertheless: it was not without any effect and may have motivated in some aspects. The main motivation for colonisation and imperialism through the Europeans as the Occidental Christians is their origin, their own being and becoming, and this is something that is not Christian - but Faustian which means e.g. dynamic, highest risk, adventure, technology, science, intelligence, striving for all this till endlessness, regardless whether this striving is possibkle or not (Faustians just do it).

So I do not think that the Faustians were and are real Christians, they have always conserved something that was before their Christianisation. And by the way: "Occidental Christians" does not mean "like all other Christians".
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Re: Government

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:54 pm

Otto, as I already said in my last post: Faustians (Occidentals, Westerners) are no real Christians, because they have been conserving their soul and mind since their origin. They had to "work Christianity off" after they had become Christians nominally. So deep in their soul and mind Faustians have always remained Faustians. Their real religion or soul image is Faustian (regardless which one the other sprachregelung [convention of speech] is, be it "Occidental Christian", thus "Catholic" and "Protestantic" or whatever).
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Re: Government

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:48 pm

@Arminius

I see the reason for the collapse of the West in the weakness and demise within the West itself.
It's not like the current invaders have such great vigour to achieve this invasion on their own, they are being invited, cared and paid for by influential current elites within the West itself.
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Re: Government

Postby Otto_West » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:05 pm

Is_Yde_opN wrote:@Arminius

I see the reason for the collapse of the West in the weakness and demise within the West itself.
It's not like the current invaders have such great vigour to achieve this invasion on their own, they are being invited, cared and paid for by influential current elites within the West itself.

Don't forget charitable Christian institutions either.
Your entire world of fantasy and make believe is doomed, have a nice day.
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Re: Government

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:28 pm

Is_Yde_opN wrote:@Arminius

I see the reason for the collapse of the West in the weakness and demise within the West itself.

We can agree on that.

Arminius wrote:
AutSider wrote:Why European Culture is Hated.

I prefer the word "Faustians“ to describe what Occidentals really are. The words "Europeans“ and "Westerners“ tell us more about geographical aspects than about what this people really are. Faustians have the absolute will, are absloutely dynamic (energetic), very intelligent, they are by far the best technicians, inventers, designers, scientists, geniuses, artists, poets and thinkers ... and so on; but they are all this in the negative way too, which means, for example, that they can get a very bad conscience, if correspondending circumstances are given: so, for example, in the case of decadence (nihilism) they use their absolute will, their absolute dynamics (energy), their high intelligence and all their other high features against themselves. :o

So the Faustians are very successful people - by far the most successful people of all times (see above) -, but they are very tragic people too. Maybe that success and tragedy correlate with each other, at least in the long run. It is very likely that the end of this tragedy will really be that the Faustians will have sacrificed themselves. :o

What do you think about that?
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