the free speech big lie...

people who have no idea what is in the constitution, claim that
by twitter for example, banning IQ45 is unconstitutional…
they claim that the idea of free speech is protected by the first
amendment of the constitution… in other words, the first amendment
protects free speech on twitter… and it does not…

the first amendment is quite clear as to its limits…
the idea behind the free speech clause is that it prevents
the GOVERNMENT from passing laws that prevents opinions without
censorship, interference and restraint by the government…
it doesn’t say a word about private enterprise…

the government cannot pass any laws limiting free speech, that is true…
but it doesn’t stop private firms like twitter and facebook from limiting
free speech… twitter and facebook can and does do what it wants because
they are private businesses… if they wish to censor anyone they want, it
is clearly allowed… there is no free speech or first amendment rights in
private business…

read the first amendment:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the government for a redress of grievances”

it says nothing, absolutely nothing about private businesses and how they
conduct their business…how twitter and face book conduct their business is
their business… they are in the pursuit of money, which means they are going to
take the route of least resistance to reach their goal of making money…

it isn’t about pleasing or displeasing a certain group of people, in the business world…
they have an expressed goal which is in the mission statement that
every business in the world has, in which making money/profits is listed within
the first 3 lines of every single business mission statement in the world…

I could be banned from twitter, (which I don’t do) and I could be banned
from face book (which I do) and there isn’t any sort of recourse I have in
regards to the first amendment because my banning has nothing to do
with the first amendment… only in terms of the government banning free speech
does free speech have any sort of recourse… the courts have over the last 200 years
have time and time again, expressly allowed free speech against any type of
government laws banning or limiting free speech…

but a business can and does ban for whatever reason they deem as
necessary because there are no laws that control their banning or limiting
“free speech”…

if you have doubts, trying reading the constitution…it might actually
educate you… to a great many things…

Kropotkin

The mistake of these types being of course when they identify as right - when in expecting and supporting free speech applying to private business, they actually support the left.

How about a constitution that applies to private business just the same as to government - and to any institution that has power?

K: I have held that the greatest tyranny we face today isn’t from the
government… it is from multinational corporations… they hold all the
cards and nothing a local or state government can do to slow them down…

should we hold big business to free speech? yes, I believe so…
but because big business has such a death grip on government, both
locally and nationally, it will be impossible to get control over big
business… and the funny thing is how the right screams about
tyranny and completely ignores the all encompassing tyranny of big business…

money dominates everything today… much to our misfortune…

Kropotkin

Therefore -
Lying and censoring opposition on a public platform is a good thing.

  • Got it.

And if that is the case then what the US Constitution really says or doesn’t is irrelevant. So why even bring it up?

K: who said that? please point out who exactly
said, “lying and censoring opposition on a public platform is a good thing?”
the only person who said that was…you…

making shit up… as usual…

Kropotkin

I don’t argue with dogs about the reality of color.
Or with apes about logic.
Or people about their mental deficiencies.

K: you don’t argue at all… either you say, “THIS IS REALITY”
with zero context or you make shit up…

everything requires context… give us some context when making the
big pronouncement… YOU ARE WRONG… or “LIBERALS ALWAYS LIE”
or perhaps, “Biden is a criminal”… again, give us context…

for example, you claim that Jan. 6… was a “false flag” operation…
so, give us some context that this is true…

or give me another example of some big pronouncement you have made without
context…

for example, you claim without any evidence, that the dem’s have stolen
the election…but you haven’t offer us any proof… because if you had
any proof, you… the GOP, would have offered it in some court case of
the 60 court cases that were litigated over 2 months in dozens of states…

in other words, you have never, ever thought you might be wrong
(a fact to which you have admitted)… whereas I have freely admitted I
have been wrong in the past and most likely will be wrong again…

I am a stronger human being then you are… because I am not so fragile
to think that I might break if I thought I was ever wrong…

as Nietzsche pointed out, the stronger individual doesn’t need the truth to
be watered down to taste it… I can take the truth without it being
watered down to salve my delicate ego… or as said in the movie,
“a few good men”

“you can’t handle the truth”

Kropotkin

Do you guys ever worry big brother/tech will turn on the populist left someday the way they’ve turned on the populist right?

But he did say he doesn’t support big businesses silencing other people’s voices. And Silhouette appears to think the same.

I’ve seen leftists outright stating that cancel culture is not a freedom of speech issue – that it’s totally fine, great even.

K: and we have a winner in the completely misinformed person award…

show me me the who, what, when, where, how and why of the allege
turning of big tech/big brother against conservatives…

they have a right to make money and within that right they can allow use
to you, me or anyone else they approve of those who follows the set rules of
engagement that all businesses follow…

for example, in my grocery store, we can refuse admittance to
anyone who fails to wear a mask… we are a private business and we can
refuse admittance to anyone for any reason…

and I must say, given the virus, I am quite ok with denying admittance to anyone
who doesn’t wear a mask… that doesn’t make me someone who denies anyone anything…
like denying them their freedom… no, it allows me to survive the pandemic…
and I am good with that…why does their freedom overcome my right to
survive? it doesn’t…

does that mean that corporations like the one I work for
is “against conservatives” nope, the corporation I work for hates everyone,
including anyone who works there… not just conservatives…

and I try not to take it too personally… :-$

Kropotkin

I am not entirely sure about the idea that big businesses are not working to silence the right (or at the very least, certain voices.)

Also, there’s a difference between a business choosing who’s allowed in their spaces and who’s not versus a business choosing what information is easy to access and what information is difficult to access.

The latter is an attempt to manipulate popular vote.

You’re missing the point.
Regardless of whether they have a right to or not, do you fear they’ll ever turn against the populist left?

He probably going to say that he doesn’t since he doesn’t believe such a conspiracy exists.

K: as I have made clear over these many, many years,
I consider the tyranny of big business/corporations being
the single biggest issue facing us as human beings…

the corporation is way, way, way more dangerous then the government
and way more in control then the government ever was… does Washington DC,
have the kind of control and power that facebook does? doubt it…
and given the nature/power of our social media, government doesn’t have
half the power that social media has… I truly fear for America, not for the
tyranny of government but because of the almost unlimited power the
that big business/corporations have… that is the real power in the world today…

an CEO can wreck far more lives with a single decision then any president of the
US ever can… think about it…

a CEO of say, Ford decides that they need to downsize and zip, 5, 10, 15, or
even 20,000 people are out of work and there isn’t a dam thing anyone can do about it…

the corporation that holds my balls in its back pocket, has over 200,000 people working for it…
what happens when the CEO decides that 10% of the work force has to go to make his bonus?

they are gone and he makes his bonus… by the way, that is 20,000 people… out of work
and on the verge of being homeless…so the CEO can make his bonus…

that is the outright tyranny that corporations have and will continue to have
until we either end corporations or we take away their power…end the possibility
of corporate tyranny…

the start of holding corporation accountable begins with actually holding the
management team accountable for actions taken in any dept of that corporation…

not too long ago, Wells fargo, I think, one of their divisions to boost profits
and increase the bonus of the executive in charge of that division, did some sleazy
and illegal tactics to boost profits… what happened? they were found out
and punished… they had to pay 3 billon dollars to settle criminal and civil charges
from what is called “cross-selling”… but the reality is without strong government
actions, the bank would have gotten away with ripping off its customers…
if you want to fight corporate sleaze, you gotta have strong government…

we can control the government far better then we can control big business

Kropotkin

I also somewhat ignore certain people’s strawman lies like those.
You have to defend your little bubble of belief just like everyone else.
I am certainly not going to pop it for you.
It’s the manner in which you do it that causes a lot of trouble for other people.

  • not that you care.

Fortunately most others ignore your lies as well.

obsrvr524:I don’t argue with dogs about the reality of color.
[/quote]
K: you don’t argue at all… either you say, “THIS IS REALITY”
with zero context or you make shit up…
everything requires context… give us some context when making the
big pronouncement… YOU ARE WRONG… or “LIBERALS ALWAYS LIE”
or perhaps, “Biden is a criminal”… again, give us context…
[/quote]
Ob: I also somewhat ignore certain people’s strawman lies like those.
You have to defend your little bubble of belief just like everyone else.
I am certainly not going to pop it for you.
It’s the manner in which you do it that causes a lot of trouble for other people.

  • not that you care.

K: ah, more big pronouncements without context…
I have attacked my own position with far more gusto then
you have ever done…and I don’t care if I "cause a lot of trouble for
other people… and you know why? People need to be “woken” up
to the fact that they don’t actually hold any positions of their own…
they simply spout off whatever their parents told them or their church told
them or what the state told them or what the society has told them…

they simply repeat what they were told… like you… and once you
engage in some honest search for why you hold this belief or that position,
you can then hold any such position you want… because it becomes a position,
a viewpoint you can honestly hold to… but most people are either too lazy
or to fearful to engage in such a honest search for why they hold the viewpoints
they hold…I have done so… a lost few years but it was worth it…

O: Fortunately most others ignore your lies as well.

K: well to be honest, I don’t lie… not for any big philosophical reason, the fact is
I am too old to remember my lies… you gotta remember your lies or people will find
you out…I am simple too senile to remember any lies… so I stick to the truth…
it takes less to remember…as far as people ignoring me… hay, its their loss…
I have wisdom to burn over here… I can wait…

beside how are the “others” ever going to learn what it means to be human, if
they “ignore” me? I engage with questions that most of you haven’t even guessed at…
or thought of…

“I aim not only at what you can see, I aim at what you cannot see”

to be honest, I am so far ahead of most of you, I often have to slow it down
so you can understand…remember my goal… not to be the 5th best philosopher
of all time, but to be the 4th best… and even to be the best… if I can…
I aim high and I might fail like Icarus…but I rather fail aiming high
then succeed aiming low, like your do…and most others around here…

Kropotkin

Look at the Communist pretending he ever gave a damn about Free Speech or the U.S. Constitution, lol!

Hypocrisy at its finest. Continue on, Commie.

K: you didn’t even get what I wrote, so you went back to the tried and true,

“I don’t get what they say, so I just insult them and maybe they won’t notice that
I have all the depth of a piece of paper and the intelligence of one too”

and that approach certainly allows you to skip past the part where everything
you write is simply just taken en masse from someone else, your parents, your
church, your state, your society or perhaps you have stolen from the culture you
live in? Perhaps you lack the intelligence or the ability or more likely the courage to
challenge what you believe in…to challenge your convictions…you are so
proud of your convictions, but lack the courage for an attack upon your convictions…

why do you hold the beliefs you hold? simple enough question… but oh so
hard to work out…so it is easier to simply attack Kropotkin then to work out
why you hold your set beliefs… it doesn’t take any great courage or ability
to attack someone… anyone over 3 can simply engage in attacking someone…

but to think about what it means to be human, to engage in why you hold
your beliefs, to engage in what it takes to overcome your animal side
and rise higher to become animal/human and then finally, totally human…

hard, so very hard… which is why you avoid it…you take the easy way out…
and simply attack people to avoid challenging yourself to a real understanding
of what it means to be human and to overcome… until you have the courage to
engage in a real attack upon your convictions, you shall always be a very small person…
launching small attacks… in reality, you are just a small dog who yeps at people…
nothing more…at worst, you are nothing more then an inconvenience…
you lack the wit or intelligence or spirit to become anything more…

Kropotkin

Yeah this one used to be one of my favorites to point out. The moment a private company decides to censor speech on its platform, the right gets all upset… and yet it is the right that defends the existence of these private companies and their rights.

I think I numbered this one 43 on the list of practical and theoretical contradictions in conservative philosophy.

I think the only issue with this is that the insurgent (and truly treasonous) globalists allowed certain communication companies to become communication monopolies. By doing so those companies became fundamental communication networks for the public. Even though they were not publicly owned, they were still in control of the public communication method and system.

They have done the same with the education system and their unions - giving them control over young minds who become older decision makers (the Eric Swalwells).

They changed the laws to allow for domination of a very critical infrastructure pinion, especially to any democracy - information flow and education - propaganda.

In effect, they went around the US First Amendment to defeat its intent by altering the safeguard laws while no one was paying attention. SCOTUS should have been brought in but they had already been corrupted too.

Now they are in the position of being able to literally hypnotize the entire population through subtle messaging - “virtue signaling” (while keeping the reasoning - the “consciousness”) silent. Words are forbidden or used to propagate attitudes, desires, and incentives - manipulation of a population. They create hatred or love wherever they want it applied.

Half of the population can never know why they hate so much because those who could reason it out accurately are never heard.

The USA is truly a Zombie nation now. And controlled by globalists authoritarians - both corporate and political.