Capitalism and communism.. the connection

both of them are economic systems, not political nor
social… but economic systems and that makes all the difference
in the world… both systems exists with the understanding
that the most important factor in human experience is
the economic one… for capitalists, it means making everyone
below them, workers… who work for the capitalists and thus
creates profits for the capitalist… recall my basic argument,
actually stolen from Marx…but anyway, If I am paid $5.00 bucks
an hour and I produce $10 of goods, the capitalists steals that
extra $5.00 of work, of effort that I did and makes a profit from that theft…

the failing of capitalism is quite evident today, with millions refusing to
work and the massive supply chain issues that plague every retailer
and business in America…in my store for example, we haven’t had
paper bags in a year… that is strictly due to the supply chain problems
that has limited the amount of paper that is created in America…
our shelfs are bare and will continue to be bare because there
is very little movement in goods around the world because of these
supply chain problem… capitalism is unable to solve these issues,
and the capitalist argument that any/all issues of economics (and really
of society) can be solved with capitalism…
thus current events show us the complete bankruptcy of modern capitalism…
it is unable to solve these pretty basic problems of getting supplies
to those who need it to keep the business working…
and if capitalism was working, then millions of people would go back to work,
but its failure is understood by people… who wants to work in a failed
economic system that offers them and us, nothing…bad pay,
very little incentive to work, no possibility of a retirement that
actually means something… a health system that if used, will bankrupt
one… as it almost did us a few years ago and we have health insurance…

we can see the many failures of capitalism first hand these days…

but what about communism? it has the exact same issue, the final
“utopia” is a worker state… and what is the capitalistic final “utopia”
a worker state…where people work their entire lives for basically nothing…
and the only goal is to enrich the already wealthy…

so in essence, there is no real difference between capitalism and communism
because they try for the exact same goal, to make everyone a worker,
a slave to business on one hand, and a slave to the government on another hand…

pick your poison, as they say…

as for me, I reject both and say, let us find a third and a much more
human economic system that doesn’t turn everyone into a worker…

let us go higher and try to find a economic system that holds that people
is the point of an economic system, not as an means like both
capitalism and communism, but as an end… create an economic
system that raises people from animal/human to becoming fully human…
because we don’t have that right now… right now all we have in both
capitalism and communism, is a system that only goal is to turn people
into workers, slaves to their respective masters…

let us engage in some imagination and seek out a new, ethical
economic system that treats human beings like human beings and not like
animals or slaves

Kropotkin

the point of existence for both capitalism and communism is
that man, human beings are Homo Economicus… economic beings,
who find the meaning of existence in working and economic purpose…
a definition I, quite clearly, disagree with… man/human beings
is more, much more then simply economic beings…
that is to reduce what it means to be human to simply
economic reasons… to consume, to produce, to work,
is the entirety of human existence…

to find what it means to be human isn’t just a search for
what is means to consume or produce or work at…
no, the basis of existence is to explore our possibilities of
what it means to be human… now, is work part of that
possibilities, yes, but only a part, not as capitalism
or communism which assumes that work is the only possibility
of human existence…

in my life, I have/had the possibilities of being an athlete,
and being a philosopher and being a writer, I did write a book
that was published, I have the possibility of being an ethical
human being, I can engaged in the reason, the logical aspect
of human existence and I can engage in the possibility
of irrationalism… the search for love, the search for hope,
the search for the aesthetics in life…and I can even engage in
both possibilities… seeking both reason and seeking the irrationalism
in life…

so as the point of existence is to seek one’s possibilities,
not just as a worker who exists simply to consume, produce or
to work/activity that does nothing to make me a better person,
I hold that the two competing economic systems are simple
terrible choices in what it means to be human…

we need a third choice…

Kropotkin

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EDIT: Just need to say that I don’t agree with the Marxist garbage below. It’s too puerile to even argue against… but that being said, at least you’re realizing that socialism/communism is just another control mechanism for the powerful. I wish others would see how they’re being played to hate each other.

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We wouldn’t say the capitalist ‘steals’ anything in the exchange you mention, keter, because the exchange is agreed upon in advance by the employer and employee, and the capitalist isn’t actually taking possession of some property without permission.

What Marx was moreso drawing attention to is how stupid and unnecessary that kind of economic arrangement is; that a worker would be paid less than the value of what he produced by someone who had nothing to add to the chain of production itself, but who owned the company and therefore also what was produced by it. The ‘owner’, from the perspective of the worker, is a perfectly arbitrary aspect of the process of production and distribution, and needn’t even be present in the process.

That he is still here overseeing this process and profiting from it, is because the workers haven’t yet been able to remove him. But he’s certainly not here because he needs to be or because he’s a necessary part of the chain of production.

Remember the ‘capitalism in a nutshell’ cartoon?

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Nuva0Aa94[/youtube]

K: As I refuse to engage with video’s because they are an extremely lazy
way to communicate with others…

Kropotkin

Americanism cultivated generations of cynical narcissists. That some have now, in their advancing years, turned to Communism is not because of some newfound love for their fellow man, or interest in his future welfare, but it is more of a revenge fantasy; retribution for their underappreciated American dreams and the exploitation of their life’s work.

But it doesn’t work that way, does it? The employer must invest to give the worker a place of work, which means finding merchandise that they can produce and/or sell, find a means to buy or produce that merchandise, and find customers that need that merchandise. The wage of an employee is based on how much they can produce and/or sell in the space of time they are employed, including the overheads that occur, with the intention of making a profit.

What you seem to be addressing is the stagnation of markets, which is actually the biggest problem that occurs in crises. The covid problem has caused markets to stagnate, for example. There is a point at which everybody has what they need, and the quality is such, that they need less. It is only services, food and drink that are permanent markets, and to some degree clothes. All else is dependent upon the situation. Nursing for example, my area of occupation, is at present in a difficult situation because we have a large number of people needing care, and that number will at sometime reduce, but at present we have a generation that had lower birth rates that has to cope with the large numbers needing care. Now, admittedly, this is only a problem in countries where a social responsibility towards the old and sick is maintained.

With food and drink, we have problems in the aforementioned area because affordable food and drink is reduced to the unhealthy kind, with high amounts of sugar and salt (and other unhealthy ingredients), and healthy food and drink is expensive in relation to the unhealthy brands. An added problem, of course, is that many people are forced to work long hours and tend to get lazy with regard to their food and drink. Fresh produce is used less, and convenience foods are the less healthy brands. Clothes are produced to a large degree in sweat shops where people earn a pittance so that the clothes they produce can be cheaply sold and still bring a profit.

The other issue of course are the offshore banks in which money is collected from legal and illegal sources, but which is effectively taken away from the communities in which it was gathered. The West has increasingly been involved in taking money out of the system, causing struggling economies to struggle even more, lacking the reinvestment needed. We have third world countries that will never recover as long as all profits are taken out of the country, which is especially bitter for economies that tried to remain independent but were forced to become part of the IMF. It is this global control of money, particularly in speculation markets, that drains economies of the funds needed to bring their populations forward.

“China is one of the few remaining Communist countries. The Communist Party of China is the founding and sole governing political party of the People’s Republic of China.

Vietnam, also known as the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, is also one of the four remaining Communist countries. In Vietnam’s third constitution, written in 1980, the Communist Party was stated as the only party to represent the people and lead the country.

Cuba is currently a communist country. Cuba is ruled by the Communist Party of Cuba, whose role is described in the Cuban constitution as the “leading force of society of the state.” The Communist Party of Cuba adheres more strictly to the tradition of Marxism-Leninism and the Soviet model than the communist parties of other countries.

Laos, or the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, is one of the remaining communist countries. The country’s only political party is the Lao People’s Revolutionary Party, whose general secretary, Bounnhang Vorachith, is also the president.

North Korea is considered a Communist country; however, it does not consider itself one. North Korea is a “dictatorship of people’s democracy.” After the Soviet Union collapsed, North Korea revised its constitution to remove all references to Marxism-Leninism. All references to communism were removed from the North Korean Constitution in 2009.”
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The question remains, what is this alternative, and who is going to implement it?