Should Parents Have a Say?

Should Parents Have a Say?

In the USA right now there is a big - big and significant issue rising on the political scene - and that is whether parents should have any rights concerning their children - currently the right to determine what is taught to their children in public schools.

Propaganda of any type - whether for the good or bad - always begins with the young, uneducated, and/or naive. For that reason socialist/communist societies always target young children and citizens too busy to know what is going on. As the USA becomes communist - of course they are now targeting children in public schools and even attempting to close down any and all private schools.

Recently American citizens discovered that their children were not being taught the “3 Rs” and instead being taught propaganda (“America is evil” - Critical Race Theory - “White people are evil”- “correct answers are not important” - “Capitalism is evil” - “Socialism is holy” —).

Those conducting this American youth propaganda got confronted by local parents objecting to this hidden agenda that has been spreading without their knowledge. As a result they contacted the socialist president O’Biden and requested that the FBI target any parents displaying objection - referring to them - publicly - as “domestic terrorists” (and more relevant than Middle Eastern terrorists). With O’Biden’s encouragement the FBI immediately complied and publicly threatened any parents objecting to public school propaganda.

The socialist/democrat governor of the State of Virginia (a mostly socialist State) - being up for election - announced that he is sick and tired of parents interfering with public education - “they have no right!”

In communist countries (and secretly in more socialist countries) of course parents have no say in what is taught to their children - their children belong to the State - lock-stock-and-barrel - people exist to serve the government/elites - not the other way around.

But what arguments might you have either way? What is really more ethical? Why should parents have a say or not have a say?

i think we should let the educators determine what constitutes an education.

Well, I think that children belong to their parents. Their parents created them for their own needs; thus, they should be the ones deciding what kind of education, if any, their children should receive.

If I create a piece of furniture on my own, everyone will agree that it belongs to me. If someone else takes it away from me, that would be considered an act of theft by pretty much everyone. Why should it be any different when it comes to children?

But here’s the thing:

Emphasis is mine.

Basically, as a parent, your choice is restricted. You are obligated to send your children either to 1) public schools (which are state-funded), 2) state-certified private schools, or 3) a state-approved home school program. If you want to deviate from any of that, you are enslaved and thereby fucked. What kind of options do you have as someone who wants to deviate from the norm? None.

what’s keeping people from teaching their kids things in addition to what the kids learn in school?

This from the man who, in his signature, proclaims himself a…

“Member of The Coalition of Truth - member #1”

Okay, in regard to something that might be taught by the Communists taking over public schools, what’s the difference between their propaganda and the things kids would be taught in the Coalition of Truth?

Of course: what the Coalition would teach them is good propaganda. So it’s not propaganda itself that is on trial here, but the fact that schools don’t teach the kids to think exactly as obsrvr524 does. About [I’m guessing] everything under the sun.

So, let him give us a few examples of the Communist propaganda now being taught to the children. Then let him note what they would be taught in the Coalition of Truth instead. Let’s see how close he comes to establishing an argument that pins down why all rational – virtuous? – chiuldren are obligated to think exactly like he does.

And then I’ll see how close I can come to establishing instead that his own value judgments are just moral and political prejudices rooted subjectively in dasein.

Much like everyone elses.

And then this part:

You have been observed.

Sounds like something a totalitarian state – the Commies – would proclaim.

Or do we need to observe the crucial distinction here that Jeane Kirkpatrick made between totalitarian and authoritarian government:

“According to Kirkpatrick, authoritarian regimes merely try to control and/or punish their subjects’ behaviors, while totalitarian regimes moved beyond that into attempting to control the thoughts of their subjects, using not only propaganda, but brainwashing, re-education, widespread domestic espionage, and mass political repression based on state ideology.” wiki

The Coalition of Truth would try to control the thoughts of kids so they think like all good Coalition of Truth members ought to. And [inevitably] punish those that did not?

But somehow that’s different from the totalitarians. Why? Because their own dogmatic propaganda is for the children’s own good.

To someone who doesn’t know the difference and can’t discern the difference between propaganda and truth - everything is propaganda and nothing is truth. They become the suckers for propagandists - objecting to everything - attacking everyone - never constructive toward anything.

I think that’s why so many people ignore your attempts to attack and inflame other people.

So you believe that the USA should be authoritarian ruled - like Cuba or Venezuela - perhaps more like China.

What persuaded you to believe that?

Like with all socialist/authoritarian schemes - children are insidiously turned against their parents as soon as the government dictators (literal in this case) see more profit by changing directions - why have to convince a bunch of parents - just infect the children and have them report on their disgusting, disloyal, selfish, hate filled, bigoted, loathsome parents.

Just read the CRT curriculum which they are now saying that parents are not allowed to read unless they sign a non-disclosure agreement so that they cannot tell anyone else what they read. Parents charged and arrested for even discussing what their children are being taught by political activists.

I’m sure you couldn’t care less as long as the communists are doing the propaganda programming of your children - but if it is a standard rule - what would you be saying if it was a traditional religious order doing the exact same thing instead of the communist religious order?

See how it works with objectivist minds like his? He is so fiercely convinced that the Coalition does in fact, objectively, reflect the Truth in regard to everything under the sun, he forgets that in the OP, he notes that propaganda itself can be for the good.

But then rather than actually focusing in on those things he believes the Commies are shoving their bad propaganda into the kid’s minds regarding, he shifts the discussion to me. It’s all about me attacking and inflaming others.

As though he doesn’t do exactly the same thing regarding everyone he deems to be a Commie.

But, okay, lets put the attacks aside and zero in on particular issues that the Coalition of Truth subscribes to regarding any one of the conflicting goods that rend America now. Parental say in education or otherwise.

Back to this:

put down the kool-aid buddy. this whole crt bit is a red herring to distract you from the tax code. its comical they way youve all jumped on it.

heres a question for you.

should kids be taught us history? including the parts about slavery? including the parts about black people not being able to get loans during the time that the american economy was really taking off?

what parts of our history do you think we should hide from our students?

So you are the typical American having no idea at all of his own political environment.

And that is why allowing a single party authoritarian education system (especially a leftist system - no ethics at all) is a problem - the entire citizenry ends up believing in the politic of hidden slavery - debate disallowed - no free-speech - no dissension - might as well be living in a convent.

Older American friends say that they always have been taught those things. The issue is that your propaganda machine has taught YOU that it was kept from people - which is an obvious lie considering that I can’t find any American over 30 years who didn’t know about that stuff. So you are the result of a strawman - flip the script effort to accuse the innocent and promote the propaganda lie of the communist left.

YOU - the Left - the communists - are the one’s wanting to control speech and thought - NOT the right constitutionalists.

It isn’t a matter of deciding truth from fiction or hiding. It is a matter of who gets to choose what is to be taught - YOU seem to think a communist style dictator state is the best authority - exactly what the actual communist state authorities have been promoting in the US for the past 20-30 years or more = “We say - You obey” (like in useless mask wearing).

Interesting that you - who think that others have been brainwashed - display the exact brainwashing that the communists are well known for promoting - not much different that our California communist PK (“everyone ELSE is guilty”).

Yeah, he bypasses the whole issue of whether a government body should be able to dictate what children do with their time and who tells them what, and goes straight into opining on what it is the government body should dictate children do with their time and who tells them what.

Using lies, no less, as you are right that absolutely no one didn’t know about slavery or the conditions of early freed slaves.

What the government does with its control is not consequential to a communist. What matters is that the government controls.

It does not spawn from a worry for the edification of children, but from feeling that they are involved in a project that directs the lives of millions.

What did they call President Trump a dictator and a tyrant for?

For wanting to reduce the amount of control and imposition the government exercised on its people.

I think what the communist does with its control IS consequential to an authoritarian government.

Either there is actual democracy and civil rights - or there is not - feigned democracy at best.

Dictatorships (such as real-life communism) strive to be the only living entity - all else merely serves the decision making of the one actual living beast. Dr Fauci has been exposed as being one of those Nazi-like scientists having no empathy at all for any life other than “the beast” as he funded the torture - to death - of hundreds of beagle dogs just out of curiosity concerning the efficacy of certain germ carrying flies - that literally ate the dog’s faces off.

“Absolute authority - corrupts absolutely”.

Giving unfettered - unchecked - unsupervised authority over what is taught as “truth” to the next generation - is absolute authority headed directly into absolute corruption.

The new American communist government is strongly pushing exactly that kind of authority - using the FBI, White House, Congress, and half of SCOTUS to crush opposition and achieve their eternal supremacy.

couple of foreigners with big plans about how my country should be. i love it.

Deep.

Get out of the fog of lies and maybe you too can clearly see the cloud that is your new government.

You are assuming that he’s in a fog.

That’s why my interest isn’t so much in the mechanisms of authoritarian governments, which you described well, but what leads people to willingly submit to them.

The way their propaganda works is that a discussion about the amount of government control cannot be on the table. As long as you are discussing what the government should do with that control, they win, because the only possible outcome is more control either way.

So he tries to make it about what children should be forced to learn, not that they should be forced to learn specific ways of thinking by a specific group, and when he fails to divert the conversation in that direction, whatever personal discredit is nearest is the prescription.

If we were gringos, the discredit would be ‘conspiracy theory.’ It doesn’t matter. What matters is that the conversation never become about what exactly right a government has to direct the lives of people.

Again, what a communist gets a kick out of is not helping children get smarter, it is feeling that they are involved in a project that directs the lives of millions.

The “fog” is very easy to clearly detect - merely by the contention if nothing else. And I think that fog is directly related to what leads people to willingly submit.

When direct evidence is hidden - the fog is inspired - the media stokes the suspicions and the contention. They insure that each blames the other so that only the media can sway to greater momentum - truth having no part to play. And according to James’ report on the construct of the human psyche - all it takes for the media to cause desperate loyalty is to slightly associate good or bad attitudes with the partisan contenders - a population entirely persuaded through confusion controlled by the media (and education).

To clearly see the persuasive hands manipulating the population generally requires a distance from the reach of the arms.

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