The topic: civic responsibility

On the “American needs hate thread”, of late UR and Gloom
have been discussing “Civic responsibility” but they have failed to
state with facts and details what exactly they mean.

Given the thread name of “America hate” it doesn’t surprise me
that they offer up haven’t offered up any positive examples of
civic responsibilities… in fact one example offered up is to
take children out of ‘‘Marxist-communist’’ schools…but as usual,
their message is unclear… do they mean that public education is
“Marxists-communist?” but its very concept of educating children
at public expense, is “communist” at least according to those radicals
on the right… so is the idea of public education “communist”
or is it the material being taught “marxist-communist” if this is the case,
then please lay out your arguments for this to be true…

ladies and gentlemen, the truth is that both UR and Gloom ARE NOT AMERICAN’S…
they have no idea what occurs in a American schoolroom or what is taught…
or at best they can hear what Tucker says about public education…
a person who never went to a pubic school… family had wealth… it
was private schools all the way for Tucker…and so he has no first hand
knowledge of what happens in public schools… as UR and GLOOM
have no first-hand knowledge of what happens in a public school…

let us approach another aspect of their second thought, about
the concept of “civic responsibility” a noble cause to be sure, but
what exactly has both of them calling for? why a rejection of
“civic responsibility” look at what they have called for…

they have called for violence against the left,
they have called for hate in America,
they have rejected listening to our institutions,
they have rejected experts,
they have rejected masks
they have rejected vaccinations
they have rejected listening to the media (yet somehow the largest media is
faux news and they claim they tell the truth and everyone else is lying)
they have rejected American values as being corrupt,
(but they can’t even tell us what values are exactly American values)

the truth is they have rejected anything of value in regards to
what an American might consider to be “civic responsibility”

obey the law, they have rejected that
listen to the police, they have rejected that…
listen to public officials like Fauci, they have rejected that…
obey people like Biden, the lawful president of the United States,
they have rejected that…

so when they call for ''civic responsibility" I can’t even tell what they
are calling for as they have rejected every single belief that an
American might consider to be one’s ‘‘civic responsibility’’

if we reject everything America considers to be one’s
‘‘civic responsibility’’ then what exactly is left?

they will of course call me names and insult me, but that is because
they have nothing positive to add to this list of Civic responsibilities"
what exactly are the “civic responsibilities” we should be engaging with?
name names, give details, tell us exactly how we should engage
with “civic responsibilities”

and read it closely… they will cover up the fact they have nothing,
by throwing in everything but the kitchen sink in an attempt
to get you, the reader, to think they have something to say about
“Civic responsibilities” but if you read them closely, you will see they have
nothing…nothing but hate and violence and anger and how is that an
engagement with one’s “civic responsibility?”

is what they are calling “civic responsibility” really just the hate
and violence and anger those incels feel about the world?

given this engagement they have with hate and violence and anger,
I don’t think they actually have a clue what real “civic responsibility” actually
means…

read them closely and see how much they attack me… and with every attack
and insult is just another way to deflect you from realizing that they have
nothing to offer us in the way of “civic responsibility” it is just more bullshit
the right has to offer us… as Macbeth said,

"a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’’

and the tale told by these two idiots will be of ‘‘sound and fury’’’
telling us nothing about ‘‘civic responsibility’’

Kropotkin

I’m not going to waste anymore of my time with this idiot.

LOL!

Don’t worry, PK, someday your commie overlord will arrive on ILP and speak on your behalf, to defend the glorious utopia. Until then, keep crying like a baby.

How many strawman fallacies can a person load into an argument? PK is going for the Guinness World Record here.

ahhh, they have no interest in explaining to us about
what “Civic Responsibility” means, but no real surprise as they
have no clue what “Civic Responsibility” means…

Kropotkin, one
UR, gloom, 0

Kropotkin

so according to this website “tnstate.edu”

we have this definition of civic responsibility:

“Civic responsibility means active participation in the public life of
a community in an informed, committed, and constructive manner,
with a focus on the common good”

as that sound about right, we then compare what the non-American’s
right wingers think… they have publicly advocated hate, even started
a thread advocating American’s turn to hate to survive…

and we look back at our definition of “Civic responsibility” and we can
see that their advocation of hate isn’t even close to what “civic responsibility” is,
and we have seen them advocate violence… to the killing of the left and liberals,
following Rittenhouse… and that doesn’t seem to me to be part of “civic responsibility”
at least to me… and they have advocated disobeying the government,
refusing to wear mask or to be vaccinated or to follow the lawful orders
of Biden… thus they are clearly advocated anarchism and nihilism…

they spread insane and radical conspiracy theories about the jews,
the CDC, the White house, the congress, and other official government
agencies… that doesn’t seem to me to be an engagement with “civic responsibility”
willfully disobeying the government… note that they cheered on Trump officials
who refused legal subpoenas from congress to appear and testify in the
Impeachment trial, both of them…refusing to appear while being legally
subpoenaed doesn’t seem to me to be engaged in “Civic responsibility”
obeying legal subpoenas when ordered, that is an engagement with
“Civic Responsibility” obeying the legal authorities, that seems to me
to be an engagement with “Civic Responsibilities” but the right has, time
and time and time again, refused to do so… note that they cheered on
Rittenhouse murder of innocent civilians… to cheer on murder is not
an engagement with “Civic responsibilities”… or is somehow the act of murder
a “focus on the common good?”… You tell me…

the website .uscis.gov.gov…
list the 6 responsibilities civic responsibilities…

one: support and defend the constitution…
does breaking the laws as the right have defended,
really supporting the constitution? the attempted
overthrow of the government, on Jan 6, 2021, by the right isn’t an attempt
to support or defend the constitution… it is a flat-out attack upon the constitution…

Two: stay informed of the issues affecting your community…
not much here so we move on…

Three: participate in the democratic process… ahhhh,
the right which includes the non-Americans UR, Gloom,
Observe, and while Pedro has admitted not being an American,
and for this, I salute him… but each of them has called for
us to refuse to participate in the democratic process,
they have called it “a stolen election”… that isn’t really a
endorsement of the democratic process…

4: respect and obey federal, state and local laws… they have repeatedly
have called on members of ILP to refuse to obey laws, on the federal,
state and local level…and they have approved of such violations such
as the Jan 6, 2021 attempted overthrow of the federal government…
if you approve of that attempted overthrow, you are not in support
of the constitution or of the laws of America…

5: respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others…
please don’t make me laugh… they are far more interested in
denying everyone else their own rights, beliefs and opinions…
recall that UR and Gloom and Observe call me a “commie” only
because I oppose their viewpoints… and they are systematic of
those on the right who use violence, anger, hate, insults to deny others
their rights, beliefs and opinions… what other point to call me a
“commie” if not to silence me? they use

and number 6: participate in your local community…

the fact is that the right has no interest in an engagement with
“Civic responsibilities” and couldn’t define what “civic responsibilities”
to save their fucking lives…

so to recap…

Kropotkin 2

UR, Gloom 0

Kropotkin

''the common good" this topic doesn’t seem to
get much interest from the conservatives…

when reading a conservative one gets, me and I, a lot…
this self-interest is part and parcel of the conservative mindset…

a conservative tells lies about how one man built a company,
like a bill gates… but gates himself will tell you it was a
companywide success story, not just bill gates building Microsoft…

rugged individualism is another right wing lie…

in fact, one can talk much more about the right wing, conservative lies
far more than the conservative truths he has told…

lies about stolen elections, conspiracy theories about lasers causing
California wildfires, about how Soro’s owns the world, about
massive deep state conspiracies, how judges are all on the take for
“maxist-liberal polices” without any explanation about what is the
“Marxist-liberals polices”…lies about BLM, lies about, well everything…

and how is lying about, well everything, an aspect of “civic responsibility?”

One would think that a major portion of “civic responsibility” would be
about telling the truth? you would think?

so to recap,

Kropotkin 3
UR-gLOOM 0

Kropotkin