Trump enters the stage

Discussion of the recent unfolding of history.

Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:20 pm

Meno_ wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:Did you listen to the Veritas recording of Jeff Zucker of CNN telling his reporters to focus ONLY on Mr Trump? Bloomberg did the same.




Just got back. I did not. Encapsulate the point being made obsrvr, .if You would.

Veritas is an organization formed to attempt to verify what is really going on. They use infiltrators to spy on inner meetings. In a meeting at CNN during the Russian Hoax coup, they mobile-phone recorded Mr Zucker telling all of the reporters to drop any other research and only research Mr Trump. Some of the reporters quietly complained. Mr Bloomberg did the same later concerning the Ukraine Hoax coup.

It was a short recording but certainly revealing.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:59 am

It certainly feels like, both parties are complicit into opposing cyberspying)and using unilateral involvement of one side( the Chinese), as a counterdefense against the Russian involvement on the other.

This makes sense, since the Russian / Chinese antipathy goes back many decades, and their international cover has progressed unto the US political process.

The internal/external debate has become interpermeable, with Russian/American interests coinciding with Chinese/American interests, revealing all kinds if covert activities.

What this implies, is, a very involved egaletorian/corporate mix, deductively signifying a proto-dialectical secondary concern with outworn labeling (capitalist/socialust)

That such representations can not be understood except within a reified conceptual matrix, defies the inherent logic of popular understanding.

The veiled reality appears to circle around a changing internationalism, and the issue is not that argued in terms of identifiable personal, national interests, but on the pain and tribulation involved in reaching the goals inherent in the NWO.

Therefore all the rest of it is merely dressing for various parts in a high stakes political playbook.

The reason d'etre is an avoidance of a huge cataclysmic conflict, no body desires.
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Re: Trump enters the stage - why pack Supreme Court?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:43 am

"Decision on subpoena for Trump tax returns now in hands of Supreme Court





Analyst reveals who poses biggest legal threat to Trump if he loses election 04:28

(CNN)With just over two weeks until the presidential election, a decision on whether to further delay handing over President Donald Trump's financial records to New York prosecutors now rests with the Supreme Court after Trump's attorneys argued for a stay of the "unprecedented" document request.

The brief is the final filing by the two sides before the court can decide whether to again push off enforcement of a subpoena by the Manhattan district attorney's office for years of Trump's financial records, including tax returns, from his longtime accountant, Mazars USA.

"Once the records are produced, the status quo can never be restored," Trump's attorneys wrote, asking the court to again block enforcement of a subpoena that has been tied up in litigation for more than a year.

"The District Attorney's boilerplate reasons for why the grand jury needs these records immediately thus do not outweigh the irreparable harm that the President will suffer absent interim relief," Trump's lawyers wrote.



Trump's campaigning stoops to new lows as Covid cases spike

Trump's lawyers have argued that the subpoena, which seeks eight years of financial records, is overbroad and was issued in bad faith, claims that were rejected by the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals. The appellate court ruled earlier this month that "there is nothing to suggest that these are anything but run-of-the-mill documents typically relevant to a grand jury investigation into possible financial or corporate misconduct."


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""Decision on subpoena for Trump tax returns now in hands of Supreme Court"


Well, that is why , the rush to replace Ginsburg!
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Re: Trump enters the stage. The nurturing of conspiracy

Postby Meno_ » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:08 am

"Russia continues to spread coronavirus conspiracies
Along with China and Iran, Russia is ramping up efforts to spread conspiracy theories and disinformation about the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S., according to an internal U.S. intelligence bulletin obtained by ABC News – a development that critics say reflects another example of Trump and the Russians parroting similar talking points."
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Re: Trump enters the stage. The nurturing of conspiracy

Postby Meno_ » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:21 am

Meno_ wrote:"Russia continues to spread coronavirus conspiracies
Along with China and Iran, Russia is ramping up efforts to spread conspiracy theories and disinformation about the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S., according to an internal U.S. intelligence bulletin obtained by ABC News – a development that critics say reflects another example of Trump and the Russians parroting similar talking points."



Wonder why, and even if it is a talking point. If it is, then something underlies it, like intelligence of international security issues.

This aura of an inflating bubble is becoming apparent, there is no way to downplay this, if the timeline is taken back to the very beginning of this administration: 2016.

The big bet of what happens after the election is the newest bubble to be either blown out, or imploded out of proportion. The energy either explodes , or. Implodes with a very strong whoosh.

A quiet after an exploding storm, or an unearthly phony peace followed by a blowout . There are no Grey colors on an impending possible horizon, the landscape feels torn apart violently
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Re: Trump enters the stage - falling

Postby Meno_ » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:44 pm

Nietzche wrote of a morally significant optical allusion: 'Beyond Good and Evil.

It was allusive as it became illusive.

That moralisn has become frozen into the rock bottom of political reality, this race is way beyond the foundations of party line, I am convinced that much more a political showcase, to fill in the cracks that a failing democracy has come to exhibit: it is the rush to popularize the antidote to optics of imagery that brings 'meaning' down to the people with their grasp on the digital computer.

Politics is as determinate as the complex drivulets which flow from the ice of winter's of philosophical despair.

It really is no surprise that both parties assail each other of mismanagement .

There is no surprises, no expectations of surprise , since there has never been a mandate, at least in the 2016 election, no .new deals , its the same old search for an America which is really not really ' there'.

So sit back with your popcorn , watch the commercials in-between, and pretend to be outraged.!
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Re: Trump enters the stage - Obama on Trump last days

Postby Meno_ » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:56 am

"The current president, Mr. Obama said, "hasn't shown any interest in doing the work or helping anybody but himself and his friends or treating the presidency as anything more than a reality show that can give him the attention that he craves"


Really?
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Re: Trump enters the stage -Barbara Streisand comments""

Postby Meno_ » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:37 am

"Barbara Streisand:

After Jared Kushner said that New Yorkers deserve to suffer extensive deaths and sickness of coronavirus because the governor did not beg Trump sufficiently for help, it is laughable that he wants to sue for having his words plastered across Times Square."
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Re: Trump enters the stage - why? Why not?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:00 am

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Re: Trump enters the stage - Trump in Arizona

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:14 am

Seeing Trump deliver in Arizona, in a very solid but Hitleresque delivery, one couldn't but be amazed how far the USA have devolved from the days of Thomas Paine, while thinking about how je will neremembered by posterity.

Hos diatribe against Bozos and the Washington Post, added jealousy to his vitriolic fear of post election prosecution of he looses.

But, if he is right, then surely. D as Capital can be thrown into eternal oblivion.
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Re: Trump enters the stage - Trump in Arizona

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:15 am

Meno_ wrote:Seeing Trump deliver in Arizona, in a very solid but Hitleresque delivery, one couldn't but be amazed how far the USA have devolved from the days of Thomas Paine, while thinking about how je will neremembered by posterity.

Hos diatribe against Bozos and the Washington Post, added jealousy to his vitriolic fear of post election prosecution of he looses.

But, if he is right, then surely. D as Capital can be thrown into eternal oblivion.



Well, deservedly.!?!


The guy wants to win bad, but needn't sound like a guy selling snake soil out of a traveling stage coach.



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It is reverting toward a possible Trump win:




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2020 ELECTIONS

Trump's chances hinge on a polling screw-up way worse than 2016

You have to squint to see how Biden’s lead won’t hold up on Election Day.



President Donald Trump gives a campaign speech outside of Raymond James Stadium on Oct. 29, 2020, in Tampa, Fla. | Octavio Jones/Getty Image

10/30/2020 04:30 AM EDT

President Donald Trump still has a path to a second term. But it would take a polling debacle that would make 2016 look like a banner year.

According to a series of battleground state polls conducted and released in the week following the last Trump-Biden debate, the president’s chances of winning a second term now require winning states where he still trails with only days to go until voting concludes.



In most of the core swing states, Joe Biden has maintained a stable — though not overwhelming — lead over Trump in polls over the past few months, continuing into the final week of the election. Some of the state polling averages have tightened slightly since the last debate, though Biden remains consistently ahead. In three live-interview polls of Florida all released on Thursday, Biden led Trump by between 3 and 5 points.

In some of the potentially decisive states, like Pennsylvania, the polls would have to be wrong to a significant greater — greater than the errors in 2016 — for Trump to win. The latest polling averages show Biden with a 5-point lead.

It’s not impossible, but you have to squint to see how Biden’s lead won’t hold up on Election Day. Even signs that were more apparent four years ago — whether in real-time or in retrospect — are more ambiguous this year.

In 2016, the larger-than-usual share of voters who said, even in the late stages of the campaign, that they were undecided or preferred a third-party candidate was a flashing warning light that Hillary Clinton’s lead was not secure. Clinton was not well-liked, even if she was running against a historically disliked opponent. And Trump was garnering momentum in the closing two weeks of the race.



None of those is happening this year: There are generally fewer undecideds in the polls. Biden is viewed favorably by a narrow majority of voters in the country. And surveys conducted since the debate last week have not showed as large of an uptick for Trump.

“The thought that maybe things would tighten in the last week doesn’t appear to be happening,” said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist College Institute of Public Opinion, which released a poll with NBC News on Thursday showing Biden ahead by 4 points in Florida. “I think, if anything, things are holding for Biden, or maybe even providing him an opportunity to go into some states” outside of the core battlefield.

But there are some red flags about the polls, even if it’s not clear how they would affect the outcome. More voters than in previous elections are refusing to tell pollsters for whom they’re voting — or have voted, in the case of the tens of millions of Americans who have already cast their ballots.

And in the closing days, that phenomenon is only increasing. Charles Franklin, who runs the Marquette Law School poll in Wisconsin, told National Review Online that his surveys show increasing numbers of respondents who refused to disclose their vote choice in his polls.





Similarly, Patrick Murray, the director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, told POLITICO Thursday that the number of voters refusing to name their candidate “has ticked up.”



But both men said that won’t necessarily redound to Trump’s benefit. Franklin told National Review that in the Wisconsin poll he released Wednesday — Biden had a 5-point lead in the critical battleground state — that those who refused to disclose their vote preference were split evenly between those who had a favorable opinion of Biden, those who had a favorable opinion of Trump and those who had either favorable or unfavorable opinions of both men.

Murray has crunched the numbers in his survey, looking at those who refused to answer by measurements such as party registration and race. He found that it was “slightly biased toward Democrats. Meaning, a slight indicator of a ‘shy Biden’ vote, if anything. Rather than a ‘shy Trump’ vote, it seems like it could be more of a ‘shy Biden’ vote.”

Then there are Biden’s image ratings, which compare favorably with Trump’s — and Clinton’s in 2016. According to a RealClearPolitics average, Biden’s net-favorable rating is positive-6 points, meaning his average favorable rating is 6 points higher than his average unfavorable rating.

Trump’s net-favorability? Minus-13 points. In the 2016 exit poll, Clinton’s net-favorable rating was minus-12 points, while Trump's was minus-22.

Of the six core battleground states — Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — the FiveThirtyEight polling average is closer now than it was a week ago in four of them, but has only slightly tightened in each of Arizona (0.7 points closer), Florida (1.6 points), North Carolina (0.9 points) and Pennsylvania (1.2 points closer). Biden still leads by at least 2 points in each state.

The polling average in Michigan is unchanged, and Biden’s lead has grown by nearly 2 points in Wisconsin — mostly thanks to an ABC News/Washington Post poll that shows Biden with a much larger lead than other surveys.

That some people overlooked the warning signs in 2016 wasn't the only problem with the polls. The national polls were mostly accurate, but some state polls routinely understated Trump's support four years ago. Pollsters say many of those issues have been addressed, and national outlets have commissioned far more expensive, high-quality surveys at the state level than in 2016.

While Trump hasn’t closed enough of the gap coming out of the final debate last week, another comeback Electoral College victory by the Republican president would be the latest black mark for the polling industry. And pollsters know they’re on the hot seat over the next five days and beyond, as the votes are counted.



“One thing you know about polling for elections is there is accountability,” said Miringoff, the Marist pollster.

“There’s always that, ‘Yeah, but 2016’ in the back of everybody’s minds. But I think this is a very different election. Trump is now the incumbent. It’s a referendum on him. He has not been able to make it a choice.”

4 days until the election: 

Who's going to win? | 

Tracking battleground states | 

Threats to the election

THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE

Why Trump needs to suppress the vote to win.

How Trump could end his presidency with a wild transition.

Rick Scott opens his wallet for Trump in Florida.

Poll shows Joe Biden leading in Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, and Florida."



 








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2020 ELECTION

Trump has signaled he won't accept an election loss. Many of his voters agree.

Brandishing faulty or unsubstantiated claims of fraudulent ballots, the president has planted seeds of doubt about the race's outcome if Biden wins. They appear to have taken root.



President Donald Trump has said "the only thing I worry about” is voter fraud. Many of his followers are echoing his claims.Brendan Smialowski / AFP - Getty Imag

Oct. 29, 2020, 3:33 PM EDT /



PHOENIX — President Donald Trump has refused to say he’d accept the results of the election in the event that he loses, and in the closing days of the race, some of his supporters have taken his faulty or unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud to heart.

At a packed outdoor rally in this battleground state Wednesday, Trump said the polls that show him trailing the Democratic nominee Joe Biden are “fake,” drawing boos from the crowd and raising their expectations of victory. He also said he feared voter fraud, which studies have repeatedly found to be extremely rare, and in most cases nonexistent.

“The biggest problem we have is if they cheat with the ballots. That's my biggest problem,” he told supporters at the Phoenix Goodyear Airport this week. “That's my only thing — that's the only thing I worry about.”

Followers are echoing his claims.



If the president loses, “I think it will be complete voter fraud,” Tammy Byler, 54, an operations manager in Waddell, Arizona, said. “There’s so much voter fraud happening.”

Byler, who said she follows QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory, expressed confidence that Trump would win the popular and the electoral vote. She said she doesn’t believe he could legitimately get fewer votes than his opponent. “Let’s look at the crowds,” she said. “Joe Biden barely gets any.”

The sprouting seeds of doubt point to a major challenge for Biden if he gets elected and seeks to unify the country. No major U.S. presidential candidate has ever refused to accept an election outcome. Rejecting its legitimacy based on faulty theories wouldn’t change the result — states certify results, and Trump lacks the authority to stop them — but it could further split a divided nation.

“It scares me to death,” said Biden supporter Jim Bower, 62, of Glendale, Arizona, that Trump might “drag this out” well past Election Day and try to delegitimize the result if he loses.

Biden has said he would accept the result even if Trump wins. Many of the Democrat's supporters, like Bower, agree.

“If [Trump] wins, he wins,” Bower said, before joking that if that happens, “my wife and I are moving!”

Some Trump supporters echoed incorrect or evidence-free claims made by the president recently, such as that ballots are going out that omit just Trump’s name (not true, according to PolitiFact) or being sold (no evidence for this claim) or being dumped in a river (not accurate).

“I think that there would be foul play” if Biden is declared the winner, said Jamie Kobyluck, 58, of Phoenix, who said she has already cast her absentee vote for Trump.

“If you look at pictures of the different rallies — Biden’s and Trump’s — it’s such a discrepancy. How could he have that many voters?” she said.

Biden’s rallies have been sparse and heavily socially distanced as he seeks to avoid facilitating the spread of the coronavirus, which continues to claim lives and limit economic potential. Trump has taken a different approach, packing his supporters into small spaces at concert-like rallies like the one in the Phoenix area.

Biden leads by 8.2 points in the NBC News national polling average. He also leads in most swing states likely to decide the election, albeit narrowly in some. Forecasters widely agree that he is currently the favorite but don’t entirely discount Trump’s chances of an upset.

“I don't believe the polls will be wrong. But I will accept the results of this election should the will of the voters be different than what we hope for,” Steven Slugocki, the chairman of the Maricopa County Democratic Party, said at Biden's running mate Kamala Harris’ rally in Phoenix.

Some Trump backers say that life would go on if he loses.

“What choice do I have?” shrugged Jeana Caywood of Saratoga, New York, who hails from Arizona and attended Trump’s rally here Wednesday while visiting.

“It’s not gonna change anything. The election will be the election,” she said. “I’m not gonna walk around angry. Not worth it.”



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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:25 pm

My take see if it works out:


"Biden apparently wins both the popular and electoral vote by a narrow margin.
Trump refuses to concede, citing what he and his lawyers claim is mass voter fraud.
The dispute goes all the way to the supreme court.
After some deliberation, the supreme court, now comprising 6 republicans and only 3 democrats, declares Trump the victor.
Nancy Pelosi, John Podesta and the other dems refuse to concede, claiming the supreme court and the republican party have been compromised, infiltrated and subverted by Russians.
They hold their own inauguration, declaring Biden, or Pelosi to be the real president.
Washington, Oregon and California attempt to secede from the union and civil war ensues."


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We Have Never Had Final Results on Election Day

President Trump has been trying to pre-emptively delegitimize ballots counted after Nov. 3. But states have always counted past election night.








Nov. 1, 2020, 8:00 a.m. ET

For weeks, President Trump and his allies have been laying groundwork to challenge the results of the election if he loses. Now, in the final days of the campaign, he has settled on a blatantly ahistorical closing argument: that the votes in a fair election should not be counted past election night.

“The Election should end on November 3rd., not weeks later!” he tweeted on Friday, two days after telling reporters in Nevada, “Hopefully, the few states remaining that want to take a lot of time after Nov. 3 to count ballots, that won’t be allowed by the various courts.”



“You would think you want to have the votes counted, tabulated, finished by the evening of Nov. 3,” he said at a campaign event a week earlier.

In reality, the scenario Mr. Trump is outlining — every vote in a modern election being “counted, tabulated, finished” by midnight — is not possible and never has been. No state ever reports final results on election night, and no state is legally expected to.



Americans are accustomed to knowing who won on election night because news organizations project winners based on partial counts, not because the counting is actually completed that quickly. These race calls mean Candidate A is far enough ahead that, given the number of outstanding ballots and the regions those ballots are coming from, Candidate B would realistically be unable to close the gap.

The difference this year is not the timing of final results — those will come, as always, by the certification deadlines each state has set, ranging from two days after the election in Delaware to more than a month after in California. The difference, rather, is when news organizations are likely to have enough information to make accurate projections.

If, as Mr. Trump suggested, courts were to force states to stop counting after Nov. 3, it would be an extraordinary subversion of the electoral process and would disenfranchise millions of voters who cast valid, on-time ballots.

“Everyone — including Joe Biden, the Democrat Party, the mainstream media and the American public — should want election results they can trust and for every valid ballot to count,” said Thea McDonald, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump’s campaign. “President Trump and Republicans have long fought for these key principles of our democracy, and in many states won, in the fight against Democrats’ attempts to effectively delay Election Day.”



Ms. McDonald pointed to efforts in some states to accept ballots that are received late if they were postmarked by Election Day — or, in some cases, if the postmark is not clear — and said this was “exactly the kind of late ballot counting President Trump has been fighting to prevent.”

But Mr. Trump has explicitly criticized the counting and tabulating of votes past Election Day, something that will happen no matter when the ballot receipt deadline is. Ms. McDonald declined to explain or clarify those statements on the record.

Mail ballots tend to take longer to process than in-person votes, and millions more people are voting by mail this year than ever before because of the pandemic. Because the voters choosing to do this are disproportionately Democrats, neither in-person ballots nor mail ballots will be representative of the full vote count.

How Mail Votes Could Delay Election Results Counting votes by mail involves multiple steps, and in several critical swing states, that process doesn’t begin until Election Day or very close to it.

And because of the intense confusion around voting rules, more voters than usual may have to cast provisional ballots, meaning election officials will have to verify their eligibility before counting their votes.



In some states — like Colorado, which has been conducting elections by mail for years, or Florida, which allows officials to begin processing mail-in ballots before Election Day — it may still be possible to call winners on election night, depending on how close the races are.

But in many other states — including the all-important Pennsylvania, where some counties will not begin counting mail-in ballots until Nov. 4 because of limited resources — it could take several days to get an accurate picture.

If this happens, it will be evidence not of a conspiracy but of the electoral system working as it should, by counting every vote. And while much about this year’s election is abnormal, delayed results would not be. Even in the smoothest elections, we don’t necessarily get quick calls in close races.



On election night in 2018, it wasn’t clear who had won governor’s races in Florida, Georgia and Wisconsin; Senate races in Arizona and Florida; and a slew of House races in California, Georgia, New York, Texas and Utah. While there were recounts and legal disputes in a handful of these races, the uncertainty in most places had nothing to do with changing or challenging the counts — it just took time to finish counting.

If the tallies had been frozen at midnight, even many in-person votes would not have been counted. And the ballots tallied after Election Day did not uniformly benefit one party.




In Minnesota’s First Congressional District, for instance, they benefited the Republican candidate, Jim Hagedorn, who was ahead by fewer than 100 votes just after midnight but ended up winning by about 1,300 votes. In California’s 21st Congressional District, they benefited the Democratic candidate, T.J. Cox, who appeared to be losing on election night but ended up winning by about 850 votes.

When we talk about delayed results, it is easy to think of a nightmare scenario like the 2000 presidential election in Florida: a race close enough to trigger a recount, in a tipping-point state, with clear ballot irregularities that can’t easily be resolved, ultimately decided not by the count but by the courts.

But most of the time, the circumstances are much more anodyne, and the results are finalized with no serious questions about their legitimacy.

Few people are likely to remember that it took two weeks to call Missouri for John McCain in 2008, because the election didn’t hinge on the outcome. When the state finally was called on Nov. 19, by a margin of about 0.1 percent, The New York Times reported simply, “The Missouri secretary of state’s office had been waiting for some jurisdictions to examine thousands of provisional ballots and certify and mail in their totals.”

In 2012, it took four days to call Florida for President Barack Obama — and again it was not particularly memorable, because he had already won re-election without the state. While there were plenty of recriminations about how long the counting took, the results themselves were not disputed.



Four years later, Michigan counted ballots for more than two weeks after the Nov. 8 election before delivering Mr. Trump one of his most cherished victories.

“The Great State of Michigan was just certified as a Trump WIN,” he tweeted after that, “giving all of our MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN supporters another victory — 306!”"
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Re: Trump enters the stage - brown cow

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Re: Trump enters the stage overtly exposed voter supression"

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"Texas’ top court denies a G.O.P. push to throw out over 120,000 votes; a federal case is pending.



A drive-through voting site in Houston, which is offering them for the first time this year.Credit...Go Nakamura for The New York Times

The Texas Supreme Court denied an effort by Republicans to throw out more than 120,000 votes that had already been cast at drive-through locations in Harris County, leaving Republicans’ only remaining option at the federal level.

The ruling from the court came without comment.

The effort to get rid of the votes from largely Democratic Harris County now hinges on a nearly identical effort at the federal level, where a judge has called an election-eve hearing for Monday.

The lawsuit contends that the 10 drive-through voting sites in Houston, the nation’s fourth-largest city, are operating illegally and are arranged in locations that favor Democrats.

The system was put in place for the first time this year by Chris Hollins, the Harris County clerk, with unanimous approval by county commissioners, after being tested in a pilot program over the summer.

More than 127,000 voters have cast ballots at the sites and the number could grow to more than 135,000 through Election Day on Tuesday, said Susan Hays, a lawyer for Harris County. She said county officials planned to vigorously challenge the suit, which she described as an act of “voter suppression.”

“It’s nuts,” she said. “Votes should count.”

Democrats were hopeful on Sunday that the decision from the Texas Supreme Court, which leans conservative, would bode well for their battle at the federal level.

The case will be heard Monday morning by Judge Andrew S. Hanen of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas who was appointed by President George W. Bush.

In a motion on Friday asking to intervene in the case, Democrats said it threatened to “throw Texas’ election into chaos by invalidating the votes of more than 100,000 eligible Texas voters who cast their ballots” at the drive-through sites. The motion was filed by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the campaign of M.J. Hegar, who is running for the U.S. Senate."
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Re: Trump enters the stage - Texas incidence - FBI lambashed

Postby Meno_ » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:55 am

"2020 ELECTION

Trump lashes out after FBI announces investigation of Biden bus incident

"In my opinion, these patriots did nothing wrong," he said in a tweet about supporters who surrounded a Biden campaign bus in Texas.





Nov. 1, 2020, 9:45 PM EST



President Donald Trump lashed out at the FBI on Sunday after it said it was investigating reports that a caravan of his supporters harassed a bus belonging to Joe Biden's campaign.

"In my opinion, these patriots did nothing wrong," Trump said in a tweet. "Instead, the FBI & Justice should be investigating the terrorists, anarchists, and agitators of ANTIFA, who run around burning down our Democrat run cities and hurting our people!"

The president also referred to the incident during rallies earlier Sunday. Video of the incident, which occurred Friday, showed Trump supporters surrounding the Biden campaign bus with their vehicles in Texas. The video showed two cars colliding, and the Biden campaign said the pro-Trump trucks tried to run the bus off the road as it traveled from San Antonio to Austin.

"You see the way our people, they — you know they were protecting his bus yesterday," Trump said while addressing supporters in Michigan. "Because they're nice. So his bus — they had hundreds of cars, Trump, Trump, Trump and the American flag. You see Trump and the American flag. Do you ever notice when you see the other side — I don't even see much of the other side."



Biden responded later Sunday afternoon during an event in Pennsylvania, noting that the president had also tweeted praise for the supporters involved.

"Folks, that's not who we are," Biden said. "We are so much better than this. We're so much better than this. It's not who we are."

Caravans and car parades — made popular by pandemic social distancing requirements — have become a regular feature of the campaign trail, one particularly embraced by Trump supporters, but in recent weeks they've run up against early voting and other campaign activities, prompting voters to call the police."


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Re: Trump enters the stage -Trp steals election?

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:32 am

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From politico 11/02/2020 @ 23:00



"President Donald Trump railed against the Supreme Court on Monday for its decision to allow an extended count of Pennsylvania mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day, tweeting that doing so would lead to violent unrest in the country.

“The Supreme Court decision on voting in Pennsylvania is a VERY dangerous one,” Trump tweeted on Monday evening, only hours before Election Day. “It will allow rampant and unchecked cheating and will undermine our entire systems of laws. It will also induce violence in the streets. Something must be done!”





>>>>>>>>>> what if?






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2020 ELECTIONS

Republicans publicly silent, privately disgusted by Trump’s election threats

After five years of perfecting the art of explaining how they “didn’t see the tweet," the response from establishment Republicans is shocking but not surprising


11/03/2020 04:30 AM EST

At rallies across the Midwest and Sun Belt swing states, President Donald Trump has been openly discussing murky schemes to prevent legitimate ballots from being counted, escalating threats to disenfranchise millions of American as the weeks-long voting season ends tonight and his pathway to reelection becomes increasingly narrow.

“The Election should end on Nov. 3, not weeks later!” the president said on Friday. He repeated the claim at an event in Dubuque, Iowa on Sunday, adding falsely, “That’s the way it's been, and that’s the way it should be.”



Democrats have been clear in their condemnations of the president’s comments, which they consider the most worrisome of Trump’s four years in office, which were often marked by anti-democratic rhetoric.

“When Donald Trump says, ‘I think I deserve a third term, or I think the election should end on election night, that’s the way it’s always been,’ I don’t think he’s joking. I think we should take him deadly seriously,” said Democratic senator and top Joe Biden surrogate Chris Coons. He compared Trump’s statements to aspiring autocrats in young democracies that he dealt with when he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on African Affairs. “We would rally the international community and say, ‘No, you should not do that. It’s not a good idea. That violates the norms of democracy.’”

But most Republicans, from critics to allies of Trump, have remained publicly silent. It’s not new for Trump’s party brethren to duck and cover when he says something troubling. But after five years of perfecting the art of explaining how they “didn’t see the tweet” — the much parodied talking point to which Republicans on Capitol Hill often resort — it is shocking but not surprising that they aren’t speaking up now, even when the integrity of America’s electoral system is under attack by their party’s leader.

Democratic Sen. Brian Schatz of Hawaii called Trump’s weeks-long campaign to discredit election results an “incompetent attempt at autocracy.”



“There are lots of reasons to believe that what Trump is talking about or contemplating cannot be accomplished,” said Schatz, who is outraged by the dearth of Republicans who have criticized the president’s false statement about when ballots are counted. “But if your plan includes congressional Republicans standing up to Trump, you need a new plan.”

Efforts to solicit on the record comment from a broad range of party leaders Monday were met with indifference.

Sen. Ben Sasse didn’t respond to a DM. Chris Christie didn’t return a text. A message to the spokesman for Sen. Josh Hawley, an up-and-comer in the party, went unanswered. Sen. Lindsey Graham didn’t return a call after POLITICO left a voicemail for him. (Graham’s outgoing message offered the option of sending a fax but a reporter did not avail himself of that method of communication.)

White House spokeswoman Alyssa Farah promised to call back but never did. Rudy Giuliani went silent, even though a reporter sweetened the deal by agreeing to hear him out on the Hunter Biden intrigue, a current Giuliani obsession. Karl Rove was kind enough to respond, but he was too busy to discuss the president’s comments sowing doubt and mistrust about the sanctity of the election process, because, he said, his “flight is getting ready to shut the door and pull away from the gate.”



Hogan Gidley, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, did respond. When asked about the president’s comments suggesting that votes shouldn’t be counted after Election Day, Gidley replied, “What’s the quote?” Told by a reporter, “Have you been following the news? There are dozens of them!” Gidley did not reply on the record.

As usual, Never Trump Republicans, who generally now back Biden, were willing to speak their minds.

“For months now the president has questioned the integrity of the election, and now at the 11th hour, he’s signaling prematurely that he’ll declare victory before the result is certain, setting the stage for further discord,” said Miles Taylor, the former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security who recently unmasked himself as Anonymous, the internal Trump critic who published a scathing op-ed in The New York Times. “I think it’s destructive to the democratic process. I think it could potentially lead to civil unrest and even violence in the country, and it’s wildly irresponsible for a president to do.”



‘Something must be done’: Trump lashes Supreme Court for ruling on Pennsylvania ballots



He is “disappointed” that his fellow Republicans are remaining quiet. “Right now Republican elected officials need to be saying that the president’s words are unacceptable and we need to patiently await the outcome of the vote,” Taylor said.

Michael Steele, the chairman of the Republican National Committee at the beginning of the Obama era, expressed similar concerns. “The president knows full well that not in the history of elections in this country have we ever certified the outcome of the election on election night because votes are allowed to continue to be processed after Election Day,” Steele said. “Election Day is just that, the day to vote. It is not the day that a winner is certified.”

Steele added that Trump “is fearful of the outcome because he has not made the case for his reelection to the American people so he’s trying to game the system against itself to his benefit. He’s poisoned people with this notion that the only way he loses is if the system is rigged. Well that’s just bullshit.”

Many Republicans insist they are disgusted by Trump’s threats, they just aren’t willing to say so publicly. Dozens of quietly anti-Trump members on Capitol Hill, or who left the Trump administration, usually in disgust, are willing to torch the president — but only under the cloak of anonymity.

“It’s despicable and un-American but not surprising,” said one senior Senate GOP aide. “They have never had any respect for the institutions of democracy that don’t benefit them. The beauty of federalism is that we leave it to the states to make their own rules and the idea that a president would overturn a state official’s decision to benefit them in an election is just kind of the antithesis of what Republicans used to believe in.”



He added, “It’s just one final F.U. to what Republicans used to believe in.”

Trump has been abetted not just by the silence of Republicans — his threats have been spread by top surrogates, including his sons, Eric and Don, and his daughter-in-law, Lara. She recently told voters in Scottsdale, Arizona, that mail-in balloting, which has been expanded in many places because of the coronavirus pandemic, and will likely create delays in ballot counting, was a Democratic plot to “rig the system.”

Other top campaign aides have joined the misinformation campaign. On Sunday, Jason Miller, a senior adviser, suggested that partial vote counts on Tuesday night should somehow determine the winner. “President Trump will be ahead on election night, probably getting 280 electoral [votes] — somewhere in that range, and then they’re going to try to steal it back after the election,” Miller said, suggesting that fully counting ballots is a Democratic plot.

This rhetoric has also seeped down into the Trump grassroots across the country. At recent Trump rallies in Pennsylvania, Nevada, and North Carolina, voters often took it as an article of faith that mail-in ballots tabulated after Tuesday were somehow fraudulent. Leaving a Trump rally Sunday night in Hickory, North Carolina, a group of supporters talked about how polls were rigged because they were commissioned by the media, and that vote-counting after Election Day would give Democrats a chance to pad their totals with thousands of fake votes.

As always with Trump, there is a debate among Republicans as to whether he should be taken seriously.

“I just can’t believe that he would say anything like that. It’s crazy,” said a former senior administration official. “I don’t know if it was an off the cuff remark that he often says that he hasn’t thought through or if it was a real strategic decision. … A lot of people ask me, ‘If he loses the election, will he try to stay in power?’ I don’t see any way that’s going to be possible. I think once an election is declared valid, he’s not going to have any option.”

Others insist that his rhetoric is not as troubling as it sounds. “There have been so many times where people have said, ‘Oh he said this, he’s going to strip away our freedoms!’ and it doesn’t happen that way,” said a former White House official. “It never happens that way, so this is just another one of those things.”

A current White House official also tried to downplay Trump’s steal-the-election rhetoric. “I don’t think it’s something that’s being seriously considered,” he insisted, perhaps not realizing how much work the word ‘seriously’ was doing in his statement.



Another White House official insisted it was typical Trumpian hyperbole. “POTUS will play by the rules,” he said. “He will play by the rules.”

But what if he doesn’t?

Schatz argued that there was no reason to believe Republican leaders would organize themselves to force Trump to stand down if he pushed things in a truly anti-democratic direction that went beyond legitimate legal challenges or election night hyperbole.

“In the ‘West Wing’ version of this it would be Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and a couple of former presidents,” he said. “In reality there’s no one.”

When asked if there was a “West-Wing” like contingency plan for Republican leaders if Trump did something radical in the coming days, the senior Senate GOP aide was coy.

“I can’t really talk about that,” he said. “It’s not something I can really get into.”

But when pressed, he offered the following: “It’s all hypothetical, but if they do what Jason Miller was talking about you’ll see a lot of people” — he paused for a moment — “not agreeing.”
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Re: Trump enters the stage - after the election then?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:31 am

I shall continue to publish here, but take an about face focus, and still note, how the media measures up to policy,
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:43 pm

As of yet Wednesday morning the presidential race is still undecided, although the Republicans succeeded to retain their Senate majority, and the Dems to their control of the House
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Re: Trump enters the stage - presidential race undecided day

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:49 pm

"WASHINGTON — Counting continues in the 2020 presidential election on Wednesday after President Donald Trump won key battleground states like Florida, Ohio and others, while Joe Biden carried Minnesota and New Hampshire and leads in Arizona, NBC News projects.

No winner was called Tuesday night as Democrats failed to land the decisive early knockout blow they were hoping for and Republicans did not see the flood of new voters that the president had promised would show up on Election Day.

Still, Trump overperformed polls and expectations while a massive surge in mail-in ballots and rules restricting when officials could begin processing them delaying the vote counts, which will continue into in coming hours and days.

The race now appears to hinge on a familiar a set of places — Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania — the three historically Democratic states that put Trump in the White House four years ago when he narrowly won them.

But North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada also remain too close to call, according to NBC News, and various combinations of any of them could determine the future of the country.

Trump had to win Florida to have any real shot at re-election, most analysts agree, while Biden has multiple paths to victory that do not include the state.

In the Electoral College, Biden has 224 votes while Trump has 213. It takes 270 to win the White House..



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Re: Trump enters the stage - trouble, trouble toil

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:50 pm

The Trump campaign is going to sue, in spite of Supreme Court precedent , in conjunction of Republican efforts to stop Pennsylvania mail in votes.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:58 am

That is soooooo lame, even MC'ONELL has issues with it!
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:02 am

What precedent?

What is being done here has no precedent.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Meno_ » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:35 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:What precedent?

What is being done here has no precedent.




I managed to dig it up:


"WASHINGTON — In a pair of decisions welcomed by Democrats, the Supreme Court on Wednesday let election officials in two key battleground states, Pennsylvania and North Carolina, accept absentee ballots for several days after Election Day."
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:39 am

This isn't a question about absentee ballots.

This is a question about whether the system used to process tens of millions of votes was in any way reliable.

A couple hundred absentee ballots? Couple thousand? Hundred thousand? Couple million? Still not even close to a precedent for this.
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Re: Trump enters the stage

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:42 am

The precedent is for an exception to regular voting procedures. Not an alternative.
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