Is Israel in Trouble?

It is Israel and the US that has been offering it - for years.

IF they would also stop sending funding to the Arab countries.

I don’t see anyone interested in occupying Palestine. What the nations want is for Palestine to form a stable and mature government - which the terrorist prevent them from doing - assuming they could on their own. They are apparently highly unstable people even on their own. They were the outcasts from surrounding Arab regimes.

Israel aggressed far beyond the original agreement. But a part of that was incentivized by the entire Arab world coalescing to get rid of them entirely - ignoring the WW2 consequences and agreements (the 6-day war). So they were actually aggressed upon and as a result of again winning a war - they chose to grow bigger - probably for next time.

But they stopped agressing and a peace agreement was made. And if the bloody US President would keep his money for his own country the peace would probably continue - but he, and the globalists don’t want that.

The, bulk of American foreign aid goes to Israel, not to Arab countries, least of all to Palestine.

What the nations want is whatever rich, powerful Jews want.
We too are being occupied, by Israeli lobbies, the most powerful lobbies in America are for Israel.
And what Israel wants is to continue occupying, oppressing and displacing Palestinians, shrinking their borders.
They got dozens of millions of Christian Zionists bending the knee before Israel.
They got the mainstream left cowering before Israel with the anti-Semitic card they unabashedly and compulsively play over, over and over again.
Everyone who criticizes Israel is literally Hitler.
They own all of Hollywood and most of the MSM.
They got all their ducks and bases lined up and covered.

I think you are just getting into higher issues of good or bad nations and peoples. That kind of thing is far too deep for this kind of thread - merely about one recent conflict - who really started it - not who the morally good or bad blokes are.

That is absolutely true. I loathe these attitudes, and Ive seen interviews with young people in Tel Aviv that are frankly nauseating.
This extremely bitchy attitude that especially modern urban Israelis can show is a dirty stain on the accomplishment of their heroic forbears and, if this attitude continues to fester, I dont see Israel existing for very long to be honest.

If a proper warrior mentality isn’t consolidated then what’s the point even? Why would they be worthy of that land? The whole point was getting back the warrior caste.

Ive seen very many things that tell me that the warrior mentality is alive, and Ive also seen lots of things that show me that many people are always on the verge of collapsing into slave morality.
So yeah.
It’s rather ambiguous.

My point in general that I wanted to make is that the accomplishment of re-obtaining the land negates Nietzsche’s narrative about the Jews for a good part, and indeed it never did make sense to me to blame Christianity on the Jews, to put the institutionalization of victim morality on their conto. He makes a beautiful argument for it, such as elaborately expounded in The Antichrist, but it is clear that he doesn’t have knowledge of Judaism - not because he isn’t clever enough for it but because he’s not interested. As it is not his taste.

The victory of the Jews in re-obtaining their land proves that they were wise to keep to their god, and that they were right in thinking their god demanded of them certain efforts, certain improvements. When they were expelled, they were not a very significant people. Now, they are infamous across the planet, having developed the atom bomb and psychoanalysis and all sorts of extremely powerful things. N did underestimate their power and he unjustly blamed them for Christianity which they have always abhorred.

Exactly. And this is what Ive heard much more from high placed Israelis.
The lamenting and bitching is mostly very backwards and decadent people - of which there are of course a great deal, everywhere.

As much as I love Arabs as a people, there is nothing noble about Palestine, if Jews are accused of victim mentality, the victim mentality of the Palestinians is off the charts, surpasses everything in that league, it’s disgusting the way they parade the bodies of their dead with the screaming women around it, it’s just hateful.
And they’ve always been an instrument of Iran, obviously, which launches these missiles into Israel so as to be assured of retaliations so as to be assured of more of these disgusting victim theaters.

Congratulations, that’s nice heritage.

No, victim mentality is always ugly.

Thanks… but Im very wary of watching any victim mentality stuff… I know it goes on and it is bad.

To counterbalance this knowledge I can only recommend immersing in the 6 Day War, but also just the way they took the land to begin with. It’s really an extraordinary story of bravery and the strategies employed and the characters involved are reminiscent very much of prechristian days.

Well they have a mission to complete, they’re in the deepest essence a military tribe that has been on campaign for thousands of years and they’re very close to accomplishing their mission.
Since this mission is ongoing even I as a rather knowledgeable occult ally of them cant speak to all of it.

Beyond that -
there must be a Lion-like transformation.
But not just of them.

Im grateful that you watched it. I hadn’t thought about it for a time, but it came up now because it’s so appropriate, also the notion of Jews as Pagans. The lions, indeed - they are very much tied to the natural elements, their rituals always involve stuff of the earth.

Naturally, the thousands of years in exile have done them ill in physical respects, my wish for them is simply that they enjoy their land and their power and gradually come back to being a full warrior type; - that they allow for what hasn’t killed them to have made them stronger.

I think this, the idea that Jews control everything and that that’s so very mean of them, is todays most prevalent victim mentality.

If they do control everything, which they dont - but even if they control half of what they’re accused of controlling, then they’ve done a damn fine job for themselves, have they not? Coming from being a small tribe of people expelled from their country some thousands of years ago, for them now to be considered more powerful than the Vatican, China, the US and Russia, – I mean thats pretty damn strong.

Why can we admire Alexander the Great and Caesar for subjugating continents, but must we feel resentful to Jewish conquerers?
Because they are more deceptive?
You think Alexander wasn’t a master of deception? Have you not read about Ceasars methods?

All conquest happens through deception, and that very much include Hitlers conquests -
and it also includes the victories of the Germans over the Romans. These Germans were extremely deceptive, just hilarious to follow these campaigns.

Is it not just a frustration of minds that are less clever, less able to command the expectations of their adversaries?

in times of uncertainty, decline, regression, deconstruction, the levels of reality that have the widest, and most general constructs have to assert a weight, that always almost is left to a participation that appears as ignoble as contradictory.

That bottom line is the set of sets containing It’s self as well.

It works havoc on the creatures of the forest, the innocents , who have Bern structured and channeled into an axiomatic circuitry.

Victim hood and victimization feed themselves by fiat, that is reductive toward the simulated sense of the ancient prophets and seers.

all this happened while israel claims it’s defending itself from the other side which israel claims wants to wipe them off the earth. kinda looks like it’s working the other way.

My point is not that the Jews are evil or in control of everything.
My point is 1) they control a lot, certainly more than Palestinians and arguably more than Arabs, altho admittedly Arabs are no slouches either, and 2) Jewish interest sometimes conflict with non-Jewish interests, I’m just trying to point out where they conflict.
Arguably no ethnic group has more power in America than Jews, whites are no longer capable of taking their own side on anything, and America is still the most powerful country in the world, for now, it’ll be interesting to see how things realign presuming China takes the scepter before the end of the century.
Just because I’m criticizing Jews and Israel doesn’t mean I’m making them out to be some kind of monster from hell, you are just playing the antisemitism victim card.

II think you misread or misunderstood me dude. I dont see the Jews as victims, but as (self-)chosen people, as people with a special tie to the divine, with the sources of human greatness. Yes, they endured endless brutalities but they havent succumbed to psychological slavery, rather they went on the conquer. I admire such warrior hearts. The Jews, as the only remaining pagan nation in the west, serve as the scapegoat for the far more indiscriminately brutal christian world, and the church has made sure to arrange it this way as it is highly convenient - the Jews namely dont generally bother to correct the narrative, as they simply expect no better from humans. Theyve always been cynical on the side of realism. Jews dont generally consider themselves victims of anything but their own inadequacy before their god which they have been working for thousands of years to remedy, and they’re expecting the outside world to act like swines to them, as this is what has generally been the case. Why be optimistic about encounters with the outside world? The Jews have culture, and they intend to keep it and establish it in its old glory. When I say people are jealous of the power of the jews and that this is why they’re complaining, im not playing the victim card. Im calling them out as a victim, christians always imagine themselves victims of some sect, and it’s very often been the jews. Jews expect this, and believe it’s what their god has brought upon them because they had lessons to learn.

This video came up;
youtube.com/watch?v=OOFRNGlEB6k

The lowest kind of jew and person in general, he who goes among his own people to expose them to the outside world. And yet he lives in Israel, the state founded by the very philosophy that he prostitutes himself into shaming.

The two men he interviews first - I cant watch too much of this traitors video - are noble; the first admits to believing the Jews have a more important mission than the rest of humanity - exactly as a Greek or Roman would have said. The second is simply a devout and honest man, very sensible. He believes in his god but doesn’t become aggressive when he is confronted with this apostate-prostitute. Can you imagine what would happen if someone a a stunt like that in a neighboring country?

No, the Jews have patience, sensibility, and very definitive values from which they dont waver. This pays off. It’s as simple as that, and our decadent and discoherent peoples might rather want to take them as an example, finally, than keeping on with trying to find the solution to their misfortunes in nagging on to each other about the successful actions of an older, harder and more learned tribe.

FC, do you have a rabbi? And is he telling you that the Jewish people are polytheistic?

Certainly in the context of the last four hundred years at least, the Jewish people have done considerably well. And by context I’m meaning a state of global affairs and economic relations and intellectual ideas (theology, e.g.) that encourages ethnic groups to become nationalistic and capitalistic by attrition; in order to even exist this kind of competing is required, and all the underhanded deception that comes with it.

But all this nonsense is unnecessary at best and pitiable at worst. First, ethnical divisions along lines other than racial features - that Jews are a special kind of white person with unique features that only Jews can have (culture included) - is incredibly silly and certainly not anything scientific. Second, the religious stage that the Jewish people are still in, contributes directly to and even justifies the silly ethnical exclusitivity they grant themselves. And thirdly, the former two combine and compel the Jewish people into capitalistic competition (& all the forms of parasitism that comes with that) in order to survive and expand their sense of nation and increase their attainment of property/real estate.

And all this nonsense wouldn’t have to be happening right now if history had gone differently. Man if Lenin hadn’t’a died, that whole ordeal over there would be so different it’d be unrecognizable, and would have been so for over a hunerd years now.

I’m tellin y’all it’s hard to look at great spans of history that are so assbackwards they don’t even warrant any serious attention unless the purpose is to show what NOT to do.

I don’t know about Jakob the fixed barbarium, but I don’t have a rabbi.

I had a rabbiT once though when I wuz a kid.

Promethean75 says:

“And all this nonsense wouldn’t have to be happening right now if history had gone differently. Man if Lenin hadn’t’a died, that whole ordeal over there would be so different it’d be unrecognizable, and would have been so for over a hunerd years now.”

Or, if Trotsky would not have been assasinated.

Just saying.

Incidentally, Trotsky had pet rabbits.

This may be a new concept for you but I think for myself. I read sources. I learn. I read a bit of Hebrew.

I am not Jewish, and I don’t have a rabbi, Ive never even spoken to a rabbi.

I simply am not as stupid as to believe a priest when he says that a word with a female plural form means a masculine singular form.

Bereshit Bara Elohim -
the first three words of the Torah.

In the beginning, the goddesses…

Of course you do, it’s Joe!

You’re one of these dudes that literally believes everything that someone hasn’t thought about.

Trotsky was exiled before he was assassinated. He wasn’t loyal to Russia and Russia required a nationalist. It’s similar to what Putin did to the internationalistic oligarchs; Stalins Communism was a form of nationalism foremost. Communism was employed to help Russia into the Modern Industrial Age, which was a arguably Lenins underlying motivation. They sent a man into space only a few decades later, making Russia forever the boldest nation of the human race.

Yeah, but he was compelled to go to Mexico because Stalin had the shekel in him after Lenin’s death, he was a nationalist versus Trotsky a true socialist

Will Israel be able to count on America’s unwavering support in the not too distant future?

"As Israel increasingly relies on US evangelicals for support, younger ones are walking away: What polls show

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/05/26/as-israel-increasingly-relies-on-us-evangelicals-for-support-younger-ones-are-walking-away-what-polls-show/

[b]As the recent eruption in Israel/Palestine brought attention to shifting Democratic attitudes toward Israel, including among younger Jewish Americans, Israel’s focus on the evangelical right as a cornerstone of U.S. support for the Jewish state has proven increasingly important. As our University of Maryland Critical Issues Poll research has shown, evangelical attitudes toward Israel account for most of the Republican Party’s support for Israel; without evangelicals, Republican attitudes on Israel do not substantially deviate from the rest of America.

These trends in American politics may explain the recent statement by former Israeli Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer that Israel should spend more of its energy reaching out to “passionate” American evangelicals than to Jews, who are “disproportionately among our critics.” Criticizing Dermer, Israel’s former consul general in New York, Dani Dayan, added that “our embassy in the United States capital has invested most of its energy in the relationship with conservatives, Republicans, evangelicals, and a certain type of Jews only.”

But a new survey commissioned by University for North Carolina at Pembroke researchers, carried out by Barna Group, has exposed what we have been finding for some time: younger evangelicals are much less supportive of Israel than older evangelicals, by a widening margin. The poll found a dramatic shift in attitudes between 2018 and 2021: support for Israel among young evangelicals dropped from 75% to 34%. This raises questions about the sustainability of the strong evangelical support for Israel that the Israeli right has cultivated for years and that proved reliable during the Trump administration.

To examine this shift further, I analyzed our two large University of Maryland Critical Issues Poll surveys of evangelicals in 2015, at the start of the U.S. presidential campaign, and 2018, two years into Donald Trump’s presidency. The gap in support for Israel between under-35 evangelicals and those 35 and over had widened significantly by October 2018.

Note that our poll question, asked over many years, probes specifically “the role that you want the United States to play in mediating the Israeli-Palestinian conflict” with three options: lean toward Israel, lean toward the Palestinians, and lean toward neither side. Over the years the percentage of evangelicals/born-again Christians who chose “lean toward Israel” has been higher than any other segment of the population. And, as expected on many issues across the U.S. population, including on the issue of Israel, age is a factor. Overall, older (35 and up) Americans have been more likely to want the United States to lean toward Israel than younger (18-34) ones. But there are notable differences in the trends among evangelicals compared with those of the rest of the population.

First, our 2018 poll showed a dramatic drop in young evangelicals’ support for Israel since 2015, accompanied by a dramatic rise in those wanting to see the U.S. lean toward the Palestinians. While 40% of young evangelicals wanted the U.S. to lean toward Israel in 2015, only 21% said the same in 2018. At the same time, while only 3% of young evangelicals wanted to lean toward the Palestinians in 2015, 18% gave that reply in 2018. The difference between the partisans of the two sides shrunk from 37 percentage points in 2015 to three points in 2018 — a virtual tie (within the margin of error).

Second, the difference in opinion on leaning toward Israel between younger and older evangelicals also expanded from 2015-18. The gap went from 14 percentage points in 2015 to 24 points in 2018, suggesting there are dynamics at play among evangelicals that go beyond the typical generational differences across the population. This conclusion is further bolstered by the next finding.

Third, among non-evangelicals, the gap between younger and older respondents who want the U.S. to lean toward Israel was also present, but narrower than it is among evangelicals; it was 10 points in 2015 (compared with 14 among evangelicals); and 13 points in 2018 (compared to 24 points among evangelicals).

Notably, and in parallel, in 2018, young evangelicals grew to be twice as supportive of the Palestinians — with 18% choosing “lean toward the Palestinians” — as non-evangelicals, with 9%. In comparison, in 2015 only 3% of young evangelicals leaned towards the Palestinians while 5% of non-evangelicals said the same.

Overall, the drop among young evangelicals who want the U.S. to lean toward Israel from 2015 to 2018 was striking and unusual in magnitude. I have not conducted oversamples or separate polls of evangelicals since 2018, so the new 2021 poll commissioned by researchers at the University of North Carolina on related issues gives us a sense of possible change since, as their previous poll was also conducted in 2018. Their questions are not identical to the ones we asked — and they define younger as 18-29, while in our poll it’s 18-34 — so one cannot compare directly. Still, they are probing the same general question regarding evangelical support for Israel. Their findings suggest a continued and substantial shift of young evangelicals away from supporting Israel.

As I have alluded to above, this shift cannot be explained by reference to typical differences among younger and older Americans alone; it is more substantial than shifts among non-evangelicals. This requires a different kind of analysis of trends among evangelicals that go beyond this brief outline of the change and pointing out that the drivers are likely broader. It is possible that the Trump factor magnified the generational divide among evangelicals; there is some evidence suggesting young evangelicals may have been more appalled by Trump and wanted their leaders to be more distant from him; whether or not Trump’s embrace of Israel could have impacted their views could be further probed. In our polls, we have found that evangelicals, most of whom supported Israel, still said Trump leaned toward Israel more than they did.

Finally, there is evidence that younger evangelicals are increasingly more diverse than older evangelicals and less white, the group that tends to be most supportive of Israel. For example, in our 2015 poll, the percentage of whites among younger evangelicals was 64% compared to 76% of older evangelicals; and the gap grew further in 2018 as whites constituted 47% of younger evangelicals compared with 65% of older evangelicals. But a fuller analysis of what may be behind this dramatic shift is beyond the scope of this short article.

The bottom line is that there is evidence of a substantial and unusual shift. If the Israeli right is pinning its hopes on solid support from evangelicals as the backbone of U.S. patronage of the Jewish state, anchored in a biblical narrative that sidesteps international law and norms — as witnessed during the Trump administration — the trends among young evangelicals raise questions about the trajectory of strong religiously-driven evangelical support for Israel".[/b]

Brookings Institute? Seriously? You might as well just ask Illan Omar.
Or Dr Fauci about the integrity of the CCP.

…and is still continuing to do so, in looking that way.