Realignment

What’s happening to the left and rightwing?

Swedish election highlights decline of center-left parties across Western Europe

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/12/swedish-election-highlights-decline-of-center-left-parties-across-western-europe/

[b]Sunday’s general election in Sweden extended two trends that are now prominent across Western Europe: the rise of right-wing populist parties and the decline of center-left parties.

The far-right Sweden Democrats entered parliament for the first time in 2010, winning 6% of the vote. On Sunday, they finished in third place with 18% of the vote. And while the center-left Social Democrats finished ahead of the Sweden Democrats, they registered their worst electoral performance in more than 100 years.

Sweden’s Social Democratic Party is not an anomaly. In legislative elections held over the past two years, the French Socialist Party, German Social Democratic Party and Dutch Labor Party – three other major left-of-center parties – recorded their worst-ever results in the postwar era. Once-strong center-left parties in Austria, Denmark, Finland, Norway and Spain are also near historic lows in terms of their most recent legislative election results.

Not all social democratic parties are suffering historic defeats. The UK Labour Party won 40% of the vote in the country’s 2017 general election, roughly matching the performances the party turned in under Prime Minister Tony Blair (a member of the party) in 1997 and 2001. But most center-left parties in Western Europe are in a weaker position than they were two decades ago.

Observers have suggested a variety of reasons for the decline, some of which are specific to individual countries. In France, for instance, many pin the collapse of the Socialist Party on the party’s onetime standard bearer, former President François Hollande. His term was marred by unpopular economic reforms, deadly terrorist attacks and personal scandal; his approval dropped as low as 4% in the final months of his term, according to one poll. The fall of France’s Socialist Party disrupted the two-party system and cleared the way for new challengers across the ideological spectrum, including current President Emmanuel Macron.

In contrast, the German Social Democratic Party has trended downward for decades. Its vote share declined in 2005 after then-Chancellor Gerhard Schröeder (a member of the party) made cuts to the social safety net. The declines continued through the financial and refugee crises and two coalition governments with Chancellor Angela Merkel’s center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU). The coalitions left voters without a clear center-left alternative to the CDU, and many defected to parties across the political spectrum.

Only two Western European nations led by center-left
Center-right parties in Western Europe have generally not experienced similar declines. Sweden’s Moderate Party, for example, won 23% of the vote in 1998 and 20% this year. The Finnish National Coalition Party has also held relatively steady, dropping only slightly from 21% of the vote in 1999 to 18% in 2015. Moreover, it has won a larger share of the vote than the Finnish Social Democratic Party in each of the country’s last three elections, something it had never done before.

Due to the decline of the center-left across much of Western Europe and the comparative steadiness of the center-right, most Western European countries are led by center-right parties, as measured by the party of the prime minister or other head of government.

Two countries, Italy and France, are governed by relatively new parties that eschew traditional left-right characterization, though both have pursued agendas that experts generally place right of center. Only two countries are governed by the center-left: Spain, led by the Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party, and Portugal, led by the Socialist Party.[/b]

[b]Tony Blair: Without total change Labour will die

The Labour Party needs total deconstruction and reconstruction. Nothing less will do.[/b]

https://archive.is/sUt9l#selection-2689.4-2705.222

[b]The challenge facing Britain’s Labour and Liberal Democrat parties cannot be overstated. Political parties have no divine right to exist and progressive parties of the centre and centre left are facing marginalisation, even extinction, across the Western world. Where is the French Socialist Party of François Mitterrand or the German SPD of Willy Brandt? And dominant national parties can very quickly become small fringe parties under the hammer blows of poor leadership and social and economic change. Look at the Liberal Party of Asquith and Lloyd George, reduced from 397 to 43 seats in just 18 years in the early 20th century.

Joe Biden’s victory in the United States apart, progressive politics across the globe is badly placed: four election defeats for the UK Labour Party and no one betting against a fifth; the German SPD placed behind a moderate Green Party; the French Socialists, who won the presidency in 2012, now polling at 11 per cent; the Italian left imploded and divided; the Spanish and Swedish socialists hanging on to power, but way below their earlier levels of support.

And truth be told, no sensible Democrat or democrat should overplay the Biden victory. He won against an incumbent like no other, considered by centre-ground voters to be uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour.[/b]

your “analysis” misses the point…the one constant in life is…
change…today the liberals are top and tomorrow the conservatives are
on top… something happens and it all changes in a day…

you can’t get too swept up in the day to day happenings in the world
because they are temporary, at best…

two days ago, I was treated like shit and abused by the customers
the next day, I was fucking king of the hill…
so what is the truth? both, none, either…

live long enough and every thing that was old is new again…
what is high fashion today, is on the bargain bin tomorrow
and then in 5 years, it will become high fashion again

the world ebbs and flows…

I recall during the bush Jr. years when some predicted that the democrats
will never get back into power because the GOP was king…
by 2008, the GOP was in full retreat… and 8 years later, it came back,
and now it is back into full shit mode…so, what is the answer?
is the conservative back again? or is it a complete failure?

depends on the day, now doesn’t it…

I don’t hold much faith in the day to day goings on in the world…
it can be high or low, depending on where you are sitting…

focus on the more important stuff… the question of what it means to be human?
or even focus on the question of what it means to be an American?

seek the values that count, not the day to day crap of politics or
business cycles or what is hot!.. it will change and quicker then you
can see… leave that crap behind you and focus on what counts…

who are you? what does it mean to be human? what does it take to become
human, fully human, not animal/human or even animal?

become who you are…

follow the motto of Socrates, to know thyself and the unexamined life isn’t
worth living…

Kropotkin

Socialist movements (except in America) have been on the decline for some time - people woke up a bit (except in America).

The CCP doesn’t need Karl Marx.

Actually that’s not my point, because I’m not anti-left and I don’t think the left is ever going to go away, nor do I want them to.
However, if they want to remain viable, they may need to update their platform.
In some countries, the right has updated its platform, become more populist, and I think that’s been key to its success.
Meanwhile the left is collapsing.
I believe it’s collapsing because it’s failing to get with the times.
People are sick to death of the same old policies, they’re starting to demand change.
If these mainline left parties fail to adapt, they may collapse, but that’s not necessarily bad for the left in the long term.
It will give new left parties a chance to form, with a different platform, but still leftwing, different emphases, more in tune with the people.

The way I see it, leftwing ‘moderates’ (moderate in theory) and liberals have been in control of dems and the UK Labor Party for decades, while rightwing ‘moderates’ and neocons have been in control of republicans and the UK Conservative Party.
Both coalitions are increasingly corrupt.
The idea is, left and rightwing ‘moderates’ are suppose to be, moderate, while liberals are suppose to be fiscally moderate and socially progressive and neocons fiscally conservative and socially moderate.
The reality is, both coalitions have been bought by the oligopoly, there’s next to no difference between them.
Fiscally they’re both corporate socialists, culturally Marxist and Zionist hawks.

Finally the people are just starting to come around to this and pressing for change.
They’re a bit more willing to take a chance on alternatives to moderates, liberals and neocons, and that’s good news, because if we don’t, democracy will die and be replaced by a corporate socialist, woke Zionist dictatorship.
If the people continue to press for change, the moderate, liberal and neocon factions will be replaced by new factions.
We’re already seeing rightwing moderates and neocons get partly replaced by rightwing populists and paleocons.
Rightwing populists are sort of the opposite of neocons, rightwing populists are fiscally moderate and socially conservative and paleocons are conservative across the board.
My theory is, leftwing moderates and liberals will also get replaced by leftwing populists and progressives.
Leftwing populists are sort of the opposite of liberals, leftwing populists are fiscally progressive and socially moderate and progressives are, progressive across the board.

I’m a populist and find both left and rightwing populists appealing.
Left and rightwing populists see eye to eye on many things, however progressives and paleocons (think AOC and MTG (Marjorie Taylor Greene) don’t see eye to eye on much, if anything, they’re nearly opposites, which has and will lead to more violence.
Things could further radicalize, we could even see real Marxists and fascists become mainstream, and I mean real ones, to even mention DJT and fascism in the same sentence is ludicrous.

All this won’t happen overnight, it’ll take years to play out, but I think we may be gradually leaving behind the old fake moderate, liberal and neocon paradigm and entering a populist, progressive and paleocon one, which may in time lead to a Marxist and fascist one, but the oligopoly isn’t going anywhere, they will try to gradually subvert the newcomers just as they subverted their predecessors, or in many cases they may already have, and so the people oughtn’t remain loyal to any party or personality, be ready to abandon them the moment they betray your principles.
The oligopoly will go to war with whomever they can’t subvert.

Gloom, I don’t understand European politics at all because they all seem leftistly progressive and even suicidal when the EU began their population replacement with non assimilating immigrants. There couldn’t be anything more suicidal than opening your borders to a religion that wishes to kill Western societies and their people. They, the EU, are all libtarded to me with the exception of Poland.

New grassroots parties need to form so all the Western swamps dry up.

Wendy, darling, you wouldn’t be talking about this great replacement theory by chance, would u?

In a nutshell, what the ruling class want fiscally is superlative socialism for themselves and capitalism or subsistence, soft kill socialism for everyone else.
What they want socially is national populism for Israel and wokeness for everyone else.
They have near total control of liberals, fake moderates and neocons, who have near total control of the democratic, republican, labor and conservative parties.
Tony Blair is one of theirs, so are his US counterparts the Clintons and W.

And so increasingly, hopefully, we’re going to see people turn to different factions, and parties within the left and right, not just because the aforementioned factions and parties have been corrupted, but because people are just sick and tired of them, even when they’re not being corrupt.
Some alternative factions: progressives, leftwing populists, libertarians, rightwing populists and paleocons.
Extreme left and right could make a comeback too: communists, socialists, anarchists, fascists and Nazis.

What it boils down to is, I believe we’re about to enter a new era, politics as we know it is dead, new factions, coalitions, parties and personalities will arise.
Some of these factions may not easily fit into the left/right paradigm if at all.
Change is necessary, the path we were heading down was a dead end, but that doesn’t mean these new paths won’t be fraught with danger as well as opportunity.

America is still the least socialist country on earth among developed countries.
While I lack solid evidence, I suspect Biden didn’t legitimately win, I know you believe he lost.

Yup, since 1965, 1st the Anglosphere, then Western Europe entered a new era we may call ‘reverse’ colonialism.
After 473 years of doing the ‘colonizing’ (or pioneering and settling), apparently now it’s our turn to be colonized.
We are being both biologically, and culturally replaced.

For example not only is Canada not permitted an ethnic identity, we’re not permitted a civic one either, not even liberal nationalism is permitted.
According to Justin Trudeau, Canada is the world’s 1st nonnationalist or postnationalist state.
We have absolutely no identity whatsoever and so there’s nothing to assimilate into at all (that being said, at least Canada largely has legal and economic immigration, the US and many European countries largely have illegal & uneconomic immigration).

But it’s gone one step beyond ‘diversity’, multiculturalism or the culture without culture, with ‘anti’-racism we have now adopted a negative, masochistic sense of identity.
The right isn’t any better, LBJ and co may’ve opened the floodgates to anyone and everyone, but Reagan, Thatcher and Mulroney let most our manufacturing and union jobs be outsourced to totalitarian dictatorships like China, whom we’re increasingly dependent on, so not only are we being replaced by the left, are economy is being gutted by the right.
At this rate the west will either collapse before the end of this century or transform into one or a series of woke dictatorships.

Fortunately Russia and Eastern Europe have yet to adopt these disastrous policies, including the Catholic and relatively wealthy Visegrad Group.
Let’s hope they never do.

This is a good series on the history of American politics:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=458a4I3CZ4M[/youtube]

As long as America remains a republic, it’ll be a two party system (for the most part Canada is too, altho other parties play a bigger role here, usually we have two dominant ones, for a while it was liberals and progressive conservatives, but since the progcons collapsed it’s been liberals and conservatives).

However, America has had 5 or 6 party systems.

The first party system was democratic republicans versus federalists, then democrats/Whigs, followed by democrats/republicans, altho they were very different then they are today, then democrats took a populist turn at the turn of the 20th century and republicans a progressive turn, then during the depression democrats took a progressive populist turn and republicans a libertarian conservative one.

We’re going through some new crises so it wouldn’t be surprising if either one or both parties collapsed or radically changed their platform.
This change may already be underway.
For whatever reasons, the populists appear to be shifting from democrats to republicans, among other changes.
What will America’s new party system look like?

In spite of malpractice,
I am a theocrat.
Like ancient Egypt.
That kind of theocrat.

Leadership should be spiritually minded.

Is America headed for another civil war over race?
Is that why populists are fleeing the democratic party for the republicans?
Because the ‘anti’-racists are taking over the democrats?
Race, rather than class or other concerns defined the 3rd party system, perhaps it, above all other concerns, will define the 6th party system too.
The 4th and 5th party systems were primarily about class.
We’re so use to thinking about class as the chief concern, but dems appear to be making race, at least one of their chief concerns while republicans, along with Jair Bolsonaro, Marine Le Pen, Alternative for Germany and other national populists in the west, are making immigration, at least one of their chief concerns.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjq30vQttU4[/youtube]

I watched the video you just posted.

I think that propaganda has always targeted the youth.

Bitching gives people political power.

Sometimes, down on the scale of families,
the person that complains the most and gets most angry,
controls that family. And the people don’t want to
get stressed by the alpha asshole,
so they just submit instead of getting extra abuse.
The law makes it illegal to kill your enemies,
so there is only one option : submission.

If people get angry enough, others will submit to their will.
Or, they will fight.

Bitchy governments run on this same principle.
The government will give extra abuse to those who do not obey.
The only options are submission or fighting.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Yea, tyrants like plebs who bitch about their fellow plebs, cause they can use what they bitch about as pretext to crackdown on society in all sorts of ways.

I’m tryna tell y’all the bourgeois/proletarian class division engenders a natural dual party system that serves the interests of its representative class respectively… and the parties battle for control like one class battles for control with the other.

There is a market for Democrats in politics because so many people directly benefit from their policies in bigger, more substantial ways than they benefit from some set of conservative values… e.g., carrying a gun and paying a little less federal income tax is the least of my problems. I need some goddamn healthcare and my kid’s tuition is killing me, etc., etc.

So Democrats are politicians who are hired to make laws and policies that help those on the lower financial tiers of society, for whatever reason (hopefully because they got legit screwed and aren’t just lazy welfare fucks). That shit sells and Democrats do that job. It really is that simple.

It has almost nothing to do with the expansion of government anymore than it’s already expanded. And conservatives are the most awesome oxymorons here, btw. I’ve never seen so much governing from a party who’s stated intent is to limit government. Bunch of retards or conmen or both if that’s possible.

I didn’t make this thread to criticize social healthcare and so on, but to criticize the political duopoly, to talk about how some people are turning their backs on it, how the left/right are evolving and could evolve.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4v3x5jMX2c[/youtube]

We’ve had the same party system for the last several decades.
Liberals (fiscally moderate, socially progressive in theory) have been in control of democrats and the labour party, Reaganites/Thatcherites (fiscally conservative, socially moderate in theory) have been in control of republicans and the conservative party.
Liberals and Reaganites/Thatcherites have always been corrupt but increasingly it’s getting out of hand with their crony capitalism, crony wars on climate change, germs, drugs and terror.
The ruling class (the banksters, deep state and the multinationals) own them both.
They want superlative socialism for themselves and capitalism or subsistence, soft kill socialism for everyone else, ethnonationalism for Israel and ethnomasochism for everyone else in practice.
Politics hasn’t always been and no longer has to be this way.
‘Center-left’ parties are collapsing across Europe while some ‘center-right’ parties may be gradually shifting from ‘Reaganism/Thatcherism’ to libertarianism, paleoconservatism (fiscally and socially conservative) and rightwing populism (fiscally moderates, socially conservative) or some combination thereof across Europe and the Americas, and that’s good news because just about any road is better than the one we’re on, altho at the same time we don’t want to trade in one form of corruption, incompetence and totalitarianism for another or the same one repackaged under a different guise.
What I’m sure of is this party system is collapsing, what I’m unsure of is what party system will replace it.

In the above post, I tried to sum up the party system we’re in, but what party system might we be transitioning into?

One possibility is many Reaganite/Thatcherite and neocon parties across the west may collapse or be hijacked by libertarians, paleoconservatives and/or rightwing populists while many liberal parties double down on liberalism.
This scenario seems more likely.

Conversely, many liberal parties across the west may collapse or be hijacked by progressive conservatives, progressives and/or leftwing populists while many Reaganite/Thatcherite and neocon parties double down on Reaganism/Thatcherism and neoconservatism.
This scenario seems less likely.

Another possibility is both many neocon and liberal parties across the west collapse or are hijacked, the former by libertarians, paleoconservatives and/or rightwing populists and the latter by progressive conservatives, progressives and/or leftwing populists.
In my view, this is the best case scenario.

Yet another possibility is the left completely collapses while libertarians, paleoconservatives and rightwing populists collaborate and compete for supremacy or alternatively the right completely collapses while progressive conservatives, progressives and leftwing populists collaborate and compete for supremacy.

If the 3rd party system’s chief concern was identity and immigration (slavery and catholic immigrants (see the Free Soil Party and the Know Nothing Party), the 4th and 5th party system’s class, the 6th party system may return to identity and immigration, altho of course class will still be a major concern, perhaps along with climate alarmism and germaphobia.
If identity and immigration ends up being the chief concern, this will have a tremendous impact on the nature of the left/right, but will there be a left/right at all?
Perhaps politics will no longer be able to be divvied up into left/right.
Take a look at the 2nd party system for example, were the Jacksonian Democrats left or right?
Were the Whigs left or right?
Arguably neither of them were left or right by today’s conceptions, they were both a mix.