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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:02 am

Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:I was speaking of the higher control of both hands, "the head", "THE God".

Superman v Lex Luthor?

In the religions, it is more "the Invisible Man vs Lex Luther". "He who reigns in darkness [invisible] rules the world."
The world wars were about Superman vs the Invisible Man.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:15 am

James S Saint wrote:In the religions, it is more "the Invisible Man vs Lex Luther". "He who reigns in darkness [invisible] rules the world."
The world wars were about Superman vs the Invisible Man.

Surely, God is just Superman taken to the extreme. It's not all that important who plays the Devil but it's more effective if you give him some bizarre physical features.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:27 am

Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:In the religions, it is more "the Invisible Man vs Lex Luther". "He who reigns in darkness [invisible] rules the world."
The world wars were about Superman vs the Invisible Man.

Surely, God is just Superman taken to the extreme. It's not all that important who plays the Devil but it's more effective if you give him some bizarre physical features.

Nahh.. Superman can only do visible things (the bold, Iron Man type). The mystical, miraculous things are done by the Invisible Man (sneaking in the dark, Serpent Lucifer type). Of course both (Nazi and Khazar) lust to be God, despite it being an impossible goal. But they will settle to be merely the god of Earth .. for a while.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:33 am

James S Saint wrote:Nahh.. Superman can only do visible things

So just invent a Superman who can do absolutely anything, just like we did with God.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:36 am

Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Nahh.. Superman can only do visible things

So just invent a Superman who can do absolutely anything, just like we did with God.

I would rather just let God be God. I have better things to do. 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Arminius » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:27 pm

It is not possible to completely understand God. If it were possible, then God would not be God. This impossibility is also the difference between religion and science, and this difference may be called theology. However. It ia impossible to prove or disprove God, otherwise we would just know everything. God can do what no one else can do (the accent is on the word "can"). If we were capable of proving that God exists or that God not exists, then we would not need religion, theology, science and so on, because we would know everything, thus the imposibility too. Proving that God exists or that God not exists means knowing as much as only God can know. All other meanings and definitions make no sense in this case.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:09 pm

Arminius wrote:It is not possible to completely understand God. If it were possible, then God would not be God. This impossibility is also the difference between religion and science, and this difference may be called theology. However. It ia impossible to prove or disprove God, otherwise we would just know everything. God can do what no one else can do (the accent is on the word "can"). If we were capable of proving that God exists or that God not exists, then we would not need religion, theology, science and so on, because we would know everything, thus the imposibility too. Proving that God exists or that God not exists means knowing as much as only God can know. All other meanings and definitions make no sense in this case.
Forgive me for saying this but nothing you have said makes any sense.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:39 pm

iambiguous wrote:
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iambiguous wrote:And trust me: not just regarding abortion.


If so, why does your brain immediately generate the word of abortion, because I assume it is too much effort to generate other examples?


I've explained this before. The actual experience I had with John and Mary is what prompted me to abandon my own objectivist tendency to confuse what I believed to be true "in my head" with that which I could demonstrate that all rational men and women must believe in turn.

So, how hard then can it really be to extrapolate from this issue to all of the others?

But: That is the part the objectivists, whether embracing one or another God or one or another political agenda, refuse to broach themselves. Let alone to explore in depth out in the world when their own value judgments come into conflict with others.

Indeed, provide me with the best example that you have noted here. Or is that just not how you "do" philosophy here?


Some morality is ambiguous, others are not.

For example, would a female woman, who owned a farm, which was a habitat for animals, her farm was sustainable and benefited the rainforest, in her farm she gave clean energy from her windmill, and in her spare time, gave away free food to homeless people, and she gave blow jobs to the blind and sex starved people, and she only gave the meat of animals that died of old age or natural causes...how would putting her out of business and shutting down her farm be moral?

morality is a spectrum, some people are 90 percent moral, other people are not. But you cannot nihilize morality and say it doesnt exist. You take the ideal and try to accomplish as many objectives as you can, that's striving for morality. Noone is 100 percent moral though, some people fail at certain objectives, or are unconscious or averse to the objectives, and we call these bad people.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Arminius » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:48 pm

Harbal wrote:
Arminius wrote:It is not possible to completely understand God. If it were possible, then God would not be God. This impossibility is also the difference between religion and science, and this difference may be called theology. However. It ia impossible to prove or disprove God, otherwise we would just know everything. God can do what no one else can do (the accent is on the word "can"). If we were capable of proving that God exists or that God not exists, then we would not need religion, theology, science and so on, because we would know everything, thus the imposibility too. Proving that God exists or that God not exists means knowing as much as only God can know. All other meanings and definitions make no sense in this case.
Forgive me for saying this but nothing you have said makes any sense.

That's impossible. Probably you do not know what you have said.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:53 pm

Phred the Phukhead wrote:You see, I presume you to be a nice person, Turtle


So, james is turtle's alt account, or are u just calling him a turtle.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:37 pm

Phred the Phukhead wrote: I think, again, that you're just going with what sounds good without putting too much personal thought into it.

Yano, that might be the first time in my life anyone has accused me of "NOT putting too much thought" into something. :-?

Well hell, I've been accused of everything else. :teasing-tease:
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:40 pm

Arminius wrote: It is impossible to prove or disprove God, otherwise we would just know everything.

I dont really think that it requires knowing everything to prove God. But one thing that you DO have to know is the definition of the word "God". And if there are many, then each one has to have its own proof for those using that definition.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Arminius » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:51 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote: It is impossible to prove or disprove God, otherwise we would just know everything.

I dont really think that it requires knowing everything to prove God. But one thing that you DO have to know is the definition of the word "God". And if there are many, then each one has to have its own proof for those using that definition.

It is not possible to prove or disprove God. That is why he was "created" by humans (or did he "create" the humans?). :)
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:02 pm

Arminius wrote: That is why he was "created" by humans (or did he "create" the humans?).

God was defined by humans, not "created by". The social god types who demand absolute authority over all things, the Godwannabes, constantly attempt to create themselves into God. With technology, they are really excited about how supreme they are and how much more they will become (even so as to now cherish the word "becoming"). That is why they will not change their course - too much PHT blinding them.
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Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:15 pm

Arminius wrote:That's impossible. Probably you do not know what you have said.

I'm afraid it's all too possible. I can understand your reluctance to accept that you've written a load of rambling nonsense but denial isn't going to help. Maybe you could try thinking before you put down the words, some people find this a very useful strategy. Good luck with your next attempt.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:29 pm

Harbal wrote:
Arminius wrote:That's impossible. Probably you do not know what you have said.

I'm afraid it's all too possible. I can understand your reluctance to accept that you've written a load of rambling nonsense but denial isn't going to help. Maybe you could try thinking before you put down the words, some people find this a very useful strategy. Good luck with your next attempt.

Well, I understood him. So it can't be all that bad.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:36 pm

James S Saint wrote:Well, I understood him. So it can't be all that bad.
All that proves is that it's not only great minds that think alike.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Arminius » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:42 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote: That is why he was "created" by humans (or did he "create" the humans?).

God was defined by humans, not "created by". The social god types who demand absolute authority over all things, the Godwannabes, constantly attempt to create themselves into God. With technology, they are really excited about how supreme they are and how much more they will become (even so as to now cherish the word "becoming"). That is why they will not change their course - too much PHT blinding them.

I have put the word "created" in quotation marks, because I have meant "defined", yes. We both have had many conversations about that without any misunderstanding.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Leyla » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:51 pm

Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Well, I understood him. So it can't be all that bad.
All that proves is that it's not only great minds that think alike.

How about showing us the "greatness" of your mind then? It's easy to say that something is nonsense, but so far you didn't provide a single constructive contribution to the subject.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:00 pm

Leyla wrote:How about showing us the "greatness" of your mind then? It's easy to say that something is nonsense, but so far you didn't provide a single constructive contribution to the subject.

Are you implying that I couldn't?
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:08 pm

Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Well, I understood him. So it can't be all that bad.
All that proves is that it's not only great minds that think alike.

What it proves is that when great minds understand each other, they don't really care what you think.

Leyla wrote:so far you didn't provide a single constructive contribution to the subject.

Or any topic as far as I can tell.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Harbal » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:50 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Well, I understood him. So it can't be all that bad.
All that proves is that it's not only great minds that think alike.

What it proves is that when great minds understand each other, they don't really care what you think.

What puzzles me is why you took any notice of me in the first place.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Leyla » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:54 pm

Harbal wrote:
Leyla wrote:How about showing us the "greatness" of your mind then? It's easy to say that something is nonsense, but so far you didn't provide a single constructive contribution to the subject.

Are you implying that I couldn't?

Oh no, I'm sure your time merely hasn't come yet,... I'm looking forward to the forthcoming event.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby Arminius » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:16 pm

Leyla wrote:
Harbal wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Well, I understood him. So it can't be all that bad.
All that proves is that it's not only great minds that think alike.

How about showing us the "greatness" of your mind then? It's easy to say that something is nonsense, but so far you didn't provide a single constructive contribution to the subject.

Yes, Harbal did not provide a single constructive contribution but a lot of nonsense. He is just a peckish troll.
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Re: Proving That God Exists

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:17 pm

Harbal wrote:What puzzles me is why you took any notice of me in the first place.

The question is .. why you haven't.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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