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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:46 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:The final verdict on God's existence will be decided soon. I haven't got laid in many months so that's that's a few points against his favor. And the date God set up the girl couldn't kiss me on the lips because I was too ugly I guess. Today I had a date that was cancelled today, so I went to a bar to find a woman, the woman at the bar said she believed in monogamy, so I called another girl, then she told me I was too pushy then hung up on me (Irony because, if she values politeness, she should be polite, but of course women are eager to find fault in everyone else but themselves.)

The final verdict on whether God/magic exists will be determined scientifically and emperically. It all boils down to that test I took a few weeks ago. If the answers are correct God definitely exists, but if the answers are wrong, then the voices in my head are all lies, and I should no longer trust them.


Trust but verify.

You are likely listening to your Father Complex.
At least I think that that is what Jung and Freud would say.

Science cannot ever prove the non-existence of god.
It is not to them to prove or disprove the delusion that some have.
It is to the deluded to show that they are not so.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:49 pm

Indeed.

Faith is not wanting to face reality.
You completely misunderstood me.

I was saying that you are out of touch with the times and that religious people do not believe Luther's nonsense from 500 years ago.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:56 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God may be a quadrinity---Father, Mother, Son, Daughter. Or, perhaps all possible human relationships.


I guess that you are not aware of Jung and Freud's Father Complex.

You might want to look it up, although you believe in the supernatural so natural things might elude you.

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You don't know me at all. I've read Freud and Jung. I just don't believe in everything I read. I'm not a fan of the supernatural.

He does not want to face reality (for example the fact that he does not know you at all).
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:00 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Arminius wrote:[

Modernity fights the origin. So theologically said, modernity means inventing false gods (idols)..


I do not agree as I see the ancients as more modern in their thinking than the lying religions like Christianity and Islam that we suffer today.

Modernity is just showing how big those religions are on lying.

Here is how we should think of any god. Without attributes as none of those can be known.

http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:09 pm

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MagsJ wrote:
Arminius wrote:Did we?

What about the new gods, for example the "scientific" gods.

I'd say the modern day version of god is false idols.

Indeed.

Idol worshiping is all that Christians and Muslims do. Any who name a god are in the same boat.

What Mags means by "false idols" IS what I mean by "»scientific« gods".

And all science is Occidental science.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:12 pm

phyllo wrote:
Indeed.

Faith is not wanting to face reality.
You completely misunderstood me.

I was saying that you are out of touch with the times and that religious people do not believe Luther's nonsense from 500 years ago.


Really?

http://imgur.com/IBroXK9

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:14 pm

Arminius wrote:[

I do not agree as I see the ancients as more modern in their thinking than the lying religions like Christianity and Islam that we suffer today.

Modernity is just showing how big those religions are on lying.

Here is how we should think of any god. Without attributes as none of those can be known.

http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

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FALSE.[/quote]

Then show how they can be known.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:20 pm

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phyllo wrote:
Indeed.

Faith is not wanting to face reality.
You completely misunderstood me.

I was saying that you are out of touch with the times and that religious people do not believe Luther's nonsense from 500 years ago.


Really?

http://imgur.com/IBroXK9

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Whatever that link is, it doesn't show much on my screen.

So, who knows what your reply means.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:43 pm

phyllo wrote:[

Really?

http://imgur.com/IBroXK9

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Whatever that link is, it doesn't show much on my screen.

So, who knows what your reply means.[/quote]

It shows Joyce Meyer a modern Christian, basically saying what you said is 500 year old thinking.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:53 pm

You think that a fundie minority is 'Christianity' or even worse, it is 'religion'. :shock:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:59 pm

phyllo wrote:You think that a fundie minority is 'Christianity' or even worse, it is 'religion'. :shock:


Mostly all who fly the cross think our gain of knowledge in Eden was a sin. Original sin.
They reject that the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil, which is basically all knowledge, as all knowledge is either good or evil, is good.

This view is counter to the original Jewish view of Eden as our place of elevation.

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants".

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/ ... -theodicy/

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:02 pm

Change the subject. No surprise.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:10 pm

One Liner wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Genetic manipulation is the only way to save humanity.

Are we worth saving?


Yes.

Earth is 4.54 billion years old, with an error range of 50 million years.
http://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html

This being the case, it would appear to me, considering how long it took for humanity itself to evolve into who and what we are today, and into who and what we will be -coming...

...we are definitely worth saving, as a whole. We're far from perfect but still - WE ARE - I mean we have existence.
What a waste it would be to destroy all of those billions of years, don't you think?
I'm not a nihilist of THAT kind.



I have many gods myself - the stars, the trees, the oceans, a few good men lol, the wind, the rain, the planets, the moon...
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:19 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
It shows Joyce Meyer a modern Christian basically saying what you said is 500 year old thinking

Joyce Meyer is a woman who apparently thinks logic is a tool of Satan
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:22 pm

I believe Joyce Meyer should obey me and do all of my commands.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:24 am

Arminius wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
MagsJ wrote:I'd say the modern day version of god is false idols.

Indeed.

Idol worshiping is all that Christians and Muslims do. Any who name a god are in the same boat.

What Mags means by "false idols" IS what I mean by "»scientific« gods".

And all science is Occidental science.

...an army of constantly newly-created gods to suit every taste.. can't let that control over the masses slip back into the masses' hands now, can they!

I am not a fan of any named religion GIA, as they've built up centuries in learning how to exploit in the name of the Meccas and Vaticans of this world.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:45 am

Greatest I am wrote:
They reject that the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil which is basically all knowledge as all knowledge is either good or evil is good

Knowledge of something cannot be good or evil in itself only how such knowledge is applied
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:25 pm

phyllo wrote:Change the subject. No surprise.


Only after I spoke to your notion of who Christians are.
I guess you missed that.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:28 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
One Liner wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Genetic manipulation is the only way to save humanity.

Are we worth saving?


Yes.

Earth is 4.54 billion years old, with an error range of 50 million years.
http://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html

This being the case, it would appear to me, considering how long it took for humanity itself to evolve into who and what we are today, and into who and what we will be -coming...

...we are definitely worth saving, as a whole. We're far from perfect but still - WE ARE - I mean we have existence.
What a waste it would be to destroy all of those billions of years, don't you think?
I'm not a nihilist of THAT kind.



I have many gods myself - the stars, the trees, the oceans, a few good men lol, the wind, the rain, the planets, the moon...


Rather Gnostic Christian of you. Good for you.

Seems you are mentally rich.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:31 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
It shows Joyce Meyer a modern Christian basically saying what you said is 500 year old thinking

Joyce Meyer is a woman who apparently thinks logic is a tool of Satan


Indeed.

So do most Christians, it seems, because most of them think that the moral sense, logic and reason that come from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a sin to partake of. Original Sin.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:42 pm

MagsJ wrote:
I am not a fan of any named religion GIA, as they've built up centuries in learning how to exploit in the name of the Meccas and Vaticans of this world.


I cannot blame you.

Both those religions grew by the sword and not by good deeds or a compelling theology.

The Mystery schools though were doing quite well as free thinking institutions before Christianity gained political power and killed them off.

If one wants a moral theology to follow and recognizes that Christianity won the god wars, they would have to look to those who lost the war because they were likely more moral than the winner, Christianity.

So far my studies of Gnostic Christianity has proven that the best theology was theirs and that is why free thinking was outlawed by Christianity.

Christians burned most of the Gnostic Christian scriptures, but luckily some were buried and that better theology is emerging and we are as in Christianity's face now just as we were in the past. If they could kill us all off again, they would.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:45 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
They reject that the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil which is basically all knowledge as all knowledge is either good or evil is good

Knowledge of something cannot be good or evil in itself only how such knowledge is applied


Indeed, but with knowledge of nothing, which is what A & E had (basically), there can be no meaningful fife.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:23 pm

Only after I spoke to your notion of who Christians are.
I guess you missed that.
You put forth Joyce Meyer as being representative of Christianity.

The statistics of religion in the USA shows that she is in a clear minority.
The Pew survey of 2014, shows that 70% of the USA population identifies as Christian. Breaking that down, it shows that 24.5% is Evangelical Protestant and only 4.9% is Non-denominational Evangelical (which is how Joyce Meyer identifies herself).
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

How many Christians does Joyce Meyer speak for? Who knows exactly. It's certainly not a majority of religious people.

You should look up some statistics related to Christian beliefs about same-sex marriage or abortion or ordination of female priest, etc.
It would no doubt astonish you. :D
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:38 pm

phyllo wrote:
Only after I spoke to your notion of who Christians are.
I guess you missed that.
You put forth Joyce Meyer as being representative of Christianity.

The statistics of religion in the USA shows that she is in a clear minority.
The Pew survey of 2014, shows that 70% of the USA population identifies as Christian. Breaking that down, it shows that 24.5% is Evangelical Protestant and only 4.9% is Non-denominational Evangelical (which is how Joyce Meyer identifies herself).
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

How many Christians does Joyce Meyer speak for? Who knows exactly. It's certainly not a majority of religious people.

You should look up some statistics related to Christian beliefs about same-sex marriage or abortion or ordination of female priest, etc.
It would no doubt astonish you. :D


It might.

I see the comments of both Martin Luther and Meyers as saying to basically believe in fantasy and faith more than logic and reason, and since something like 70% of all Christians believing in hell and close to 100% of Christians believing in a salvific Christ, I would say that they are, in that sense, representing what the vast majority of Christians have done. Ignored logic and reason for faith.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:46 pm

...close to 100% of Christians believing in a salvific Christ...
Wow. Almost all Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the way to salvation. That's incredible. :lol:
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