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Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Orbie » Sat May 30, 2015 6:15 pm

Arminius, how are ad hominem rules differ from logical ones? Can't they be subsumed under logic as well? Is not propriety a function of ascending loyalty into the realm of desired social intercourse? (Without which the mutual trust in the virtues of honesty could not sustain)
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Sat May 30, 2015 6:41 pm

Orb wrote:Arminius, how are ad hominem rules differ from logical ones?

For example by political correctness, because political correctness has nothing to do with logical correctness, often even not with correctness.

Orb wrote:Can't they be subsumed under logic as well?

They can, yes, but they often are not or at least not correctly but e.g. political correctly.

The logical rules should be the main rules, and the ad hominem rules should be subsumed under them.

Orb wrote:Is not propriety a function of ascending loyalty into the realm of desired social intercourse? (Without which the mutual trust in the virtues of honesty could not sustain)

Unfortunately propriety is often misused, and not seldom caused by "ad hominem" rules, although they are wanted to prevent misuse, but they do not satisfactorily work, because misusers can easily circumvent "ad hominem" rules and nevertheless be in violation of them by using other methods, especially such methods I mentioned several times in this thread.

The logical rules should be the main rules, and the ad hominem rules should be the subordinated rules. Such regulations strengthen both logic and propriety. They lead to the lack of people who like ad hominems.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Orbie » Sat May 30, 2015 8:31 pm

You mean the lack of regulations lead to the rationale which are the cause célèbre of the goals of the users of ad hominems?
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Sat May 30, 2015 10:21 pm

I mean if the "ad hominem" rules do not satisfactorily work, then there is already a lack of regulation, at least in an applied sense.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Orbie » Sat May 30, 2015 11:16 pm

Ok, I understand.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Jr Wells » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:06 am

There is little love of philosophy on ILP. Essentially we have a collective of disempowered individuals who are trying to empower themselves in whatever way they see appropriate (Mods also exhibit this behaviour). Out of this, power plays and pecking orders evolve. An individual will subsequently develop behaviours that seek to protect their own reputation and discredit the reputation of others (all are guilty of this including yours truly). People then become delusional and begin to fabricate narratives within their own minds which portray themselves as all powerful super-philosophical heroes and others as idiotic villains that need to be vanquished (preferably through the use of magic philosophical powers).Things rapidly degenerate into a war; where all's fair in Love and Philosophy.

I voted "NO"... but, if I had my way, everyone but me would be banned for life. :-k
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:43 am

Jr Wells wrote:There is little love of philosophy on ILP. Essentially we have a collective of disempowered individuals who are trying to empower themselves in whatever way they see appropriate (Mods also exhibit this behaviour). Out of this, power plays and pecking orders evolve. An individual will subsequently develop behaviours that seek to protect their own reputation and discredit the reputation of others (all are guilty of this including yours truly). People then become delusional and begin to fabricate narratives within their own minds which portray themselves as all powerful super-philosophical heroes and others as idiotic villains that need to be vanquished (preferably through the use of magic philosophical powers).Things rapidly degenerate into a war; where all's fair in Love and Philosophy.

I voted "NO"... but, if I had my way, everyone but me would be banned for life. :-k

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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Jr Wells » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:54 am

Yes, it is funny how well they do that. Do you have something to contribute Fixed Cross?
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Jr Wells » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:01 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Funny how trolls so well describe their own behavior.

I encourage you to vote on my "Am I a Troll" thread.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Carleas » Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:13 pm

Jr Wells wrote:There is little love of philosophy on ILP. Essentially we have a collective of disempowered individuals who are trying to empower themselves in whatever way they see appropriate (Mods also exhibit this behaviour). Out of this, power plays and pecking orders evolve. An individual will subsequently develop behaviours that seek to protect their own reputation and discredit the reputation of others (all are guilty of this including yours truly). People then become delusional and begin to fabricate narratives within their own minds which portray themselves as all powerful super-philosophical heroes and others as idiotic villains that need to be vanquished (preferably through the use of magic philosophical powers).Things rapidly degenerate into a war; where all's fair in Love and Philosophy.

You frame this as a comment on ILP, but you seem to just be describing humanity as a whole. ILP can't help it that humans are our primary audience.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Jr Wells » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:47 pm

Carleas wrote:
Jr Wells wrote:There is little love of philosophy on ILP. Essentially we have a collective of disempowered individuals who are trying to empower themselves in whatever way they see appropriate (Mods also exhibit this behaviour). Out of this, power plays and pecking orders evolve. An individual will subsequently develop behaviours that seek to protect their own reputation and discredit the reputation of others (all are guilty of this including yours truly). People then become delusional and begin to fabricate narratives within their own minds which portray themselves as all powerful super-philosophical heroes and others as idiotic villains that need to be vanquished (preferably through the use of magic philosophical powers).Things rapidly degenerate into a war; where all's fair in Love and Philosophy.

You frame this as a comment on ILP, but you seem to just be describing humanity as a whole. ILP can't help it that humans are our primary audience.

Thank you very much Carleas, you are the first person to share this view with me and understand this view. Indeed, it is humanity as a whole (I include myself as part of humanity). Often we as individuals think we are not subject to the absurdities of humanity (we think we have a different narrative). So I am not targeting ILP (singling out), I am targeting (singling out) humanity. This is what distinguishes us from animals.

So, naturally we will never be satisfied with ILP moderation (until we change our own narrative).
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:56 pm

One example of the problem with the ILP rules and iis moderation is the permaban of Lys (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=188302). ILP has double standards. There are so many other ILP members that should have been banned but not Lys and some others who have been banned. I am again disappointed by ILP.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:45 pm

Carleas wrote:Arminius, we're doing alright according to your poll, and I haven't even voted yet.

Yes, but another fact is that many users do not know anything about that poll (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=187220).

Carleas, do you really know what Lys "knew" at that moment and what "her intent was"?
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Only_Humean » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:52 am

Arminius wrote:Carleas, do you really know what Lys "knew" at that moment and what "her intent was"?


I explicitly warned her in PM about the sanction for her behaviour, and she repeated it egregiously.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:10 am

Moderators have to respond to those who have reported posts! Why do they sometimes not respond to them, although the reasons for the reported posts are obvious and absolutely justified?
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby xfzgrwql » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:01 am

Hmmmmm, let me think about this.

ILP bans a few people merely for the (dangerous) ideas they present and talk about, which seems very anti philosophical, but then the staff allow other (cool kid club) posters to post death threats, veiled death threats, countless ad homs, derails, and all other kinds of nonsense. Seems like you need to be "cool" and then the rules don't apply to you.

Just don't be too philosophical.


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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Innovice » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:16 am

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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby QuePaso » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:18 pm

Why does it take forever for a comment to be approved? and if a comment isn't approved, how is one to know why it wasn't approved?
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:21 pm

xfzgrwql wrote:Hmmmmm, let me think about this.

ILP bans a few people merely for the (dangerous) ideas they present and talk about, which seems very anti philosophical, but then the staff allow other (cool kid club) posters to post death threats, veiled death threats, countless ad homs, derails, and all other kinds of nonsense. Seems like you need to be "cool" and then the rules don't apply to you.

Just don't be too philosophical.


The conclusion is obvious.

If it were just merely a matter of coolness, then you would be right. But the title of this thread is: "Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?"

I do not need ILP. That is cool (just to use your word). If ILP is only anti-philosophical and its staff only allows any poster "to post death threats, veiled death threats, countless ad homs, derails, and all other kinds of nonsense" (your words), then coolness is not the best advice when it comes to react to ILP and its staff. The best advice could be that in the long run you should stop posting on ILP! That would be cool. Do not allow ILP to become your drug!
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Carleas » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:56 pm

xfzgrwql wrote:ILP bans a few people merely for the (dangerous) ideas they present and talk about

This is false.

QuePaso wrote:Why does it take forever for a comment to be approved? and if a comment isn't approved, how is one to know why it wasn't approved?

Because it's an unfortunately manual process and sometimes the queue doesn't get cleared.

Posts are rarely disapproved unless they're blatantly spammy (e.g. the link to "wow gold" or whatever). Other situations are when a post would immediately earn a warning to the poster. In either case, we usually don't notify posters that their posts are disapproved; spammy post posters are immediately deleted, and people who would earn a warning within their first five posts aren't encouraged to come back (though they aren't prevented from coming back either).
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby xfzgrwql » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:13 pm

Carleas wrote:This is false.

It's true when one poster proved that he/she was banned only for quoting another banned user, while the idea being quoted demonstrated no bannable offenses.

It essentially proved that ILP bans ideas specifically.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby QuePaso » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:28 pm

Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Carleas » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:48 pm

xfzgrwql wrote:It essentially proved that ILP bans ideas specifically.

The ideas she was posting are still all over ILP. Those ideas aren't gone, and they aren't banned. They're apparent in every forum, and in almost every thread, advanced by the many users here who accept and advocate the ideas that user was posting.

Which proves that ILP does not ban specific ideas (or, strictly: which refutes what appears to be your only evidence for the contention otherwise).
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby AutSider » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:48 am

Carleas wrote:
xfzgrwql wrote:It essentially proved that ILP bans ideas specifically.

The ideas she was posting are still all over ILP. Those ideas aren't gone, and they aren't banned. They're apparent in every forum, and in almost every thread, advanced by the many users here who accept and advocate the ideas that user was posting.

Which proves that ILP does not ban specific ideas (or, strictly: which refutes what appears to be your only evidence for the contention otherwise).


Yeah but that could be only because I'm not as convincing, eloquent, or intellectually developed as Satyr and Lyssa so I'm not as threatening.
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Re: Are you satisfied with the ILP moderation?

Postby Arminius » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:45 am

This webforum lacks philosophy, although and because its name is "I Love Philosophy".

Arminius wrote:Why do ILP moderators accept or even respect ILP members who do not even respect philosophical themes?

(1) Those who are not able to respect philosophical themes derail threads, subforums, and the whole philosophical forum of a board named "I Love philosophy" ("ILP").
(2) Moderators are those who should prevent other ILP members from derailing threads, subforums, and the philosophical forum of a board named "I Love philosophy" ("ILP").

Arminius wrote:I suggest to reform ILP and to call it »IL« with the following eight subforums:
(1) ILF ("I Love Fun"),
(2) ILG ("I Love Gossip"),
(3) ILL ("I Love Lies"),
(4) ILN 1 ("I love Nietzsche"),
(5) ILN 2 ("I love Nonsense"),
(6) ILN 3 ("I Love Nothing"),
(7) ILP ("I Love Philsophy") (that means: averagely merely 12.5% (1/8) are really interested in philosophy),
(8) ILSC ("I Love Social Criticism").

So what does an ILP moderator do, if you are philosophical?
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And what is the conclusion?

xfzgrwql wrote:Just don't be too philosophical.

Yes, or: Just stop posting on ILP.
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